are porcupine tree overrated ?
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Topic: are porcupine tree overrated ?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: are porcupine tree overrated ?
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:41
Despite what the critics say I cant seem to get into porcupine tree and I fail to see their progressive brilliance ... infact I see them as nothing more than a souped up radiohead with some prog trates combined with some pink floyd elements in their early days .. but maybe I`m missing something , so what are your thoughts ...are porcupine tree overrated ? 
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:48
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I really don't see what all the fuss over the last couple of albums is all about. Pretty boring and uninspiring if you ask me. However, their earlier stuff intrigues me. I haven't really heard enough to pass a proper judgement i'll admitt, but i've heard enough to know that i think i'd have to be in a certain mood to appreciate any of their music. Sometimes it would seem cool and interesting, other times boring and inappropriate (to my mood). |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:51
| I share a similar view of them. I'd much rather hear them be space rock than... alternative or whatever it is they're sitting with now. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:00
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Reverie wrote:Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:41
| They are moving into mainstream, nothing wrong with that. I don't begrudge anyone trying to make more money out of their chosen profession |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:45
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I don't think they are overrated at all.I love their early spacier stuff but also really like the heaviness of the newer albums.If you get into a lot of the side projects Steven Wilson does you would see what a diverse musician he is.I think the man is a musical genius,to tell you the truth. -------------  |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:04
| Quite possible, though I havent heard enough to judge them properly. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:21
NO Porcupine Tree are not overrated. they are one of the best, if not the best, modern prog groups. Their music is a perfect blend of spacey ambience and solid modern rock. Each member of the band is a brilliant musician. their music is original and daring, but listenable. frankly, they are the only prog band i can put on the stereo with people around and they say 'hey, whos that, theyre pretty good'. they strike me as one of the few modern prog bands that isnt trying to copy one or more of the 70s bands (yes, they sound a lot like PF at times, but their music goes so far beyond that). I hope this doesnt read like a typical fanboy response, but I have only recently been initiated into the ranks of "people who enjoy porcupine tree" and I really feel that they outperform all of their peers and probably have the best chance of breaking out of obscurity (not that I really want prog to be in the mainstream, but....) ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:23
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:08
When I think of musical genius I think of ... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ... Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever 
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Posted By: Lorak
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:52
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. As I am entitled to mine. I thoroughly enjoy pretty much all of PT's catalog of diverse PROG. ------------- Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry. Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:02
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Hm well i dont think PT is far from having anything close to a masterpiece...it justs sounds like pretty simple songs that is pretty close to what coldplay do...atleast on the in absinthia album...infact i have not heard a really proggy song done once by PT so i dont get what the fuzz is about...they are WAAAAAAAAAY to simple to be appreciated as masterpieces ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:06
Agreed. There's something special about a guy who is able to make so much brilliant music all on his own, without a band. (Insignificance, Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape, Staircase Infinities, On the Sunday of Life, Voyage 34, Up the Downstair) His work with Tim Bowness in No-Man is extremely good as well. ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:08
for pop/prog i prefer A.C.T which is really great  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:08
| I've only heard "The Sky Moves Sideways" but I think it's excellent and I will be buying more PT. I gather the music has evolved and changed and is now harder edged but I think change is no bad thing. Steve Wilson is clearly a very talented guy, whether he deserves the "genius" tag, well I clearly haven't heard enough to give an opinion. |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:23
Even with that.. the sky moves sideways isn't EXEPTIONAL.. All the works of porcupine tree are way too much appreciated than it really is.. -------------  
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Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:03
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They are good musicians and they have appreciations from musicians of
the former prog generation (fripp for ex) but to be honest their music
don't stike me too much...
------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: jackinthegreen
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:04
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NO! Just listen to the album Lightbulb Sun. You can almost
feel the afternoon sunshine run through your ears... ------------- I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:07
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i find it incredible that someone that writes this simple and un-original music can be accepted as a genius whitin the prog-genre the music is good but it is far away from being genius ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:08
yeah wow.. the sun is a lightbulb.. and the sky is a tree.. damn nonsence -------------
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Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:08
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When I got Stupid Dream years ago I didn't really think it was anything
special, quite boring in matter of fact. I really got into prog just about a year ago and when people here seemed to think so highly of them I gave them another change by buying In Absentia, which was definitely to more of my linking than Stupid Dream was. I proceeded to buy most of their rest studio albums, but I had trouble again getting into them, they sounded boring, unispired etc.. But just recently after more spins I have started to enjoy their older work, but most of those albums definitely require a certain mood to be enjoyable. I think they a slightly overrated here like so many others, but they aren't bad band at all. |
Posted By: watch_maker
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:18
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not overrated, just good ------------- lalala |
Posted By: watch_maker
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:21
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so good ------------- lalala |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:31
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Problem with using the word genius. By whose standards is one considered one and another not. Generally with artists it is after they are dead that they get the recognition. That's why I don't blame Steve Wilson for trying to make a buck out of an industry that is not exactly righteous across the boards in either recognising real talent or supporting artists that are trying to do something different and original in an excellent way. One of the reasons why David Gilmour has been recognised by some people as a bit of a genius is because of the way he measures sound. Its not the amount of notes you put in a composition or even the speed that you can play them at that creates an excellent composition IMO, it is the ability of the artist to create a soundscape for the soul, including where to place the silences because it understands that world and knows how to speak its language. Artists are like listeners, they have either got it or they haven't. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:40
| ^A voice of reason- good to see you back, barbs |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:52
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i see a musical genius as someone that is not only is able to compose good music but also is able to compose something new and original and steven wilson fails at the last... ...atleast compared to The Mars Volta ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:02
Thanks Cobb. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:02
Porcupine Tree? Very good and influential band
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:11
I think if we were to try and get a consensus on this site about who is a genius and who isn't that we would end up with every fanboy opinion including the eccentric ones.  ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:13
Hardly... i think you must admit that Steven Wilson is hardly making anything as original as forexample Yes, Genesis, Van Der Graaf or Gentle Giant where for their time? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:20
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Porcupine Tree overrated? What a ridiculous statement.I went watching them in concert in Manchester last Easter and there were about 400 people in the audience! We should celebrate and cherish bands like Porcupine Tree.They are the "here and now".Bands like Genesis,Yes,Gentle Giant et al are the past -the very distant past. Get over it. |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:31
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[QUOTE=Tony R] We should celebrate and
couldn't have put it better, mate! |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:35
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They are good but still not justifiable for the genius statement as they dont make ORIGINAL music like gentle giant and van der graaf generator did at their time...the most ORIGINAL new bands today are bands like Fantomas, the mars volta, sleepytime gorilla museum and so on... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:37
The point is, I guess, what is genius. The Beatles. Some might wish to call some of the artists that have been touted as genius, opportunists. In the right place at the right time with the right connections and the ability, just like a good salesman to seize an opportunity. I do not doubt the musical ability of alot of the people mentioned but every true genius I have ever heard of worked primarily on their own. The world was busting its gut to hear the stuff that those guys were knocking out in the 60s and 70s, and good on them, many were excellent musos and they recognised opportunities and they took those and ran with them. They sold heaps of albums and made scaggs of money along the way. But genius. Beethoven was a genius. I also think Mozart was to although some, more highbrow musical intellectuals here will probably disagree with me about that because Mozarts compostitional structures were actually not as complex as some of the other masters. But to some, that was his genius, his ability to build on a simple chord structure and turn it into something ethereal and novel. Anyway, in order to finish on topic I suppose I should say that for pure musical enjoyment, I place listening to Porcupine Tree at the top of my list of artists. I don't particularly care if they are considered genius or not. Throughout their catalogue I find very little that is boring or of no enjoyment and many of their compositions are part of my regular listening along with Yes, Genesis, Opeth, King Crimson, DT, Orphaned Land etc. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:39
You mean to say those Heavy Metal bands are actually original Prog Rock bands? |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:42
Haha i meant, as i am sure you realized that they stand for the most new and daring musical expression in terms of composing and experimentalism...And only Fantomas has some real metal influences... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:43
well the BEATLES where original for their time and also alot of classical composer had their ways of composing melodies that where concidered original at the time although it might seem similar today ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Norm Cash
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:49
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The answer to the question is.... No.
Next question, please. ------------- 
"We did it....you and me! Put him right under the table!" |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:53
Actually, shouldn't Sleepytime Gorilla Museum be given a genre on its own, like Shockorrorheartattak rock or Freakinscarypsycho rock. 
I sometimes wonder how the music I listen to would go down if I were to
play it in a retirement village or a childcare centre. Now imagine
playing Sleepytime fullbore at one of those places. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:56
Yea listen to Fantomas-Delirum Cordia..that is too pretty disturbing ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:06
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I have some old PT albums and In Absenstia. PT is quit nice, but they will not be remembered after 20 years from now. I don't believe in overrated or underrated. Every band is rated as it is. It is that invisible hand of the economic market which sometimes strechtes over to the field of music opinions. So being rated is subject of the opinions of all people, not only the ones being capable of technically analyse the music, but the less than experts as well. BTW I was very disappointed seeing them live. I could not hear the difference between Gravity Eyelids and She moved on I am suprised by the opinion of Maidenrulez. I do remember having seen a nice picture where Steve Wilson was kissed......
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:08
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In case you did not get me correctly...what the hell should that be supposed to mean? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:19
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Regarding Porcupine Tree, neither the vocals nor the music grab my attention. So this doesn't let many elements to make me like this band... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:26
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I don't think the're moving into mainstream and surely not to earn more money. If you compare the deadwing album to stupid dream, I guess that the latter is alot more mainstream. Deadwing and In Absentia are totaly unique albums, no-one makes music like this. Steve wilson is indeed a genius, led by his ever evolving taste in music. At this moment I understand he's heavily into metal which leads his creative processes with porcupine tree, as I said before, I don't think that the desire to go mainstream can be taken seriously, but it is true that he wants to attract as many people as possible without doing any compromises. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:27
Oh please some of the songs of the In absenthia album sounds like they could have been made by coldplay... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:31
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I`m still convinced that they are overratted
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Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:34
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c'mon , if you consider roine stolt, neil morse and kerry livgren (for christ sake) geniuses, where is your mind then? Porcupine tree never made one bad song in my opinion. they are totally unique!! He IS up there with Fripp, Neil Peart and Gabriel. He is (roughly put) a musical encyclopaedia, theoreticaly as wel as practically! I would give a fortune to experience that creativity just for a couple of hours! BTW any comparison to Coldplay is unjustified. Coldplay is a formula band, repeating tslef time after time, ever becoming duller and duller. Nothing compares to Porcupine Tree, and surely not Coldplay. |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:36
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Sliding into mainstream? I think not. They simply improve their sound and try something new and independent on any new album they release. They simply get better and better from record to record. They are the most important prog band of our days I believe and carry the progressive scene into the future, with a modern edge. Many people seem to be afraid of that, don't understand or simply are deaf. In Absentia ---> Coldplay? ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:36
Compare a song like Collapse the light into earth with a coldplay song then... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:36
allright, just name me one InAbsentia song and I'll prove yoyr totally wrong on this matter
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:42
My opinion is just my opinion its just a point of view (as well researched as it is) |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:46
| oh, I see now you already named one. Collapse the light into earth is just the closing cut of the album, and functionally seen It's a very strong piece of music. It's not my favourite song by them, but to say that it sounds like Coldplay, just because it's a 'piano ballad' is a little bit ignorant. I also think of In Absentia as a whole, look at the diversity between the songs. Pink Floyd ambience in the sound of muzak and prodigal, nicely orchestrated pieces like.3 and Collapse, an anzing instrumental like Wedding Nails, the brilliance of trains. the beautiful ballad heartattack in a layby and the immensely heavy rock of strip the soul , blackest eyes and the very (and I mean VERY) tight The Creator has a mastertape. Well, porcupine tree have a Masterpiece!! |
Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:47
I respect that (at least I try) |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:52
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Well the song collapse the light earth seem to use the same chord progression as coldplay, also the general mood of the song is sad and ambient just like coldplay and also the manner it is sung by sounds very much like coldplay also the later orchestrations is also very closely to that of coldplay and even the way he plays the piano reminds me of coldplay by doing short pauses each time he presses the chords like DUM-SHORT PAUSE-DUM-DUM and then going up a octave...coldplay coldplay...coldplay Also the rest of the album has poppy songs like Sound of muzak, Trains and blackest eyes which also sound a bit like Tool if you compare them...the rest is just moody and ambient songs that sounds too much like pink floyd...it is like i have heard everything done before by either Tool, coldplay or pink floyd....good music but nothing close to a work of genious ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 08:21
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This talk about Coldplay seems to be getting a little off the track, However the connection I see is that Coldplay are the type of band you can buy their CD`s from K Mart, perhaps Porcupine Tree are almost Top 40 as well which makes me think ....... they are not true prog at all Porcupine Tree and the word Prog don`t belong in the same sentance !
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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 08:26
"TRUE PROG" - sounds like a different version of "TRUE METAL"
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Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 08:57
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I don't think PT sound anything like Coldplay at all. Coldplay is an incredibly dull band where every single song sounds just like all the others, that description hardly fits PT. Maiden, you seem to focus on In Absentia a lot, which, I'll agree, have a few "poppy" songs... but it is also their weakest album imo, along with Deadwing. Don't get me wrong, they're still good albums but nowhere near the excellence that is The Sky Moves Sideways, Stupid Dream and Up The Downstair. ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: cmidkiff
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 09:07
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Steve Wilson a genius? I don't think so. At least the albums up to and including "The Sky Moves Sideways" are full of repetitive loops with sounds and solos stuck on top. Hardly any compositional value there, mostly just mood. I'm not a genius, and I could crank out an album like this in about a week. However, it seems that he starts getting more into the song writing on and after "Signify". I've only have thier albums up to Lightbulb Sun, which to me, are better then the earlier stuff. I never did get "In Absentia" or anything after. Perhaps I should if they have continued in that trend. ------------- cmidkiff |
Posted By: Saviorts
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 09:50
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Judging by the results of this thread Porcupine Tree really isn't overrated, at least in terms of a prog audiance. I went to one of their shows last year, the sound was mixed perfectly (a little loud but otherwise perfect). It started off good, but two things kind of ruined it for me: they we're an hour late and they had way overpriced merch (the stuff they were selling I could get cheaper off of amazon). The frontman there, Steve Wilson? He seemed to have a bit of an ego to him, he was going through these corny hand motions while he was singing, it looked pretty embarassing. I do like the In Absentia album but I got kind of bored halfway through their live set. They're certainly a good band and a fun listen (at least studio-wise), though their lyrics are a bit corny at times, but then again, they're a prog band so I guess that makes sense. They're nothing mind blowing but if you're looking for modern music with progressive tendencies they're certainly a fine place to start. Though I prefer maidenrulez's picks for modern bands better. Prog rock as we think of it in terms of the classical 70's period will never happen again, we live in completely different times with a completely different sensibility of things. Any band that tries to revive this is doomed. It doesn't mean we can't enjoy what happened in the past, I just find that most won't enjoy it if it happened again in the future. I think Porcupine Tree understands this, it would explain their latest sound. ------------- For the love of goldens. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 10:08
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I was saying that i dont think porcupine tree songs on in absentia is not original enough and everything has done before by bands like Tool, Pink Floyd and Coldplay...i say again compare Collapse ithe light into earth with A rush of blood to the head...there really aint that much diffrence ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 10:36
| Well I like PT and I don't mind saying it. A.C.T. are also superb |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 10:39
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Yeah man, Porcupine Tree is WAY overrated. I mean, the way my local
radio station plays them all the time, all the high school chicks have
Gravity Eyelids as their ringtones, and how eMpTyVee plays them
non-stop...I mean enough already! Pfft... Just because YOU don't like them, doesn't mean they aren't good. I happen to think they are one of the most exciting bands to come along in a long time. I'm 35 years old, have an extremely large and diverse record collection spanning music of all genres (except country  ),
and would consider my opinion to be intelligent and informed. Just
because they blend elements of prog with more "mainstream" elements
does not invalidate their musical expression. Not every band has to be
as extreme as say Henry Cow, and not every musician has to play as
extreme as say John Petrucci to be worthy of consideration. While I
admit Wilson wears his influences on his sleeve, I don't believe he has
not brought anything new to their music: he has in fact combined them
to bring music that is enjoyable and unique.Again, it's all about opinions, but I see a lot of people dismissing them simply because they aren't, like, man, "totally prog" and stuff. Whatever. And as long we are on the subject of opinions, I love PT, and hate [insert name of whatever retarded  you like].So there. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 10:54
It was already half a year ago and I am pretty sure (not 100%) it was you sending on some thread a picture of Steve Wilson. Don't be offended I could be mistaken, but since the search engine of the forum has been simplified it is difficult to find old threads. I'll find it.....
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Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 11:38
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I think they are not overated and yes in their early days they sound like pink floyd but listen to deadwing!
There are some metal passages but the cd is incredible! The only thing annoying me are the drums. Especially in the track DEADWING he plays the same rhytm for 6 minutes or so! ------------- 
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Posted By: cmidkiff
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 14:44
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And this is the only song of theirs in which you notice this?? ------------- cmidkiff |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 14:45
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Q. Are Porcupine Tree over-rated.............. hmmmmmmmmm, well........... depends if you like them or not I guess........ but for me....... YES they blinkin are!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 14:50
Nicely said,Tony My feelings exactly ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 14:53
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They are good but for great prog/pop listen to IZZ. ------------- |
Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 15:02
...Please read the whole thread before you post such a dull answer... I said especially, I hope you know what that means... -------------
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Posted By: DeadGhost
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 15:19
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Amazing band, and if you ask me they are underrated (even according to most of the comments here). this is the only band which i love all of their songs --- if you dont like them that's your problem. they are very varied and i love Wilson's writing IMO their masterpieces are Signify, Stupid Dream & The Sky...... maybe some of you think that they don't have any masterpiece because ALL of their albums are excellent and they never fall from their own level (even their B SIDES are amazing) good day! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 15:56
| No...I would actually say Porcupine Tree is under-rated. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 15:58
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Well hello Mr Acuity..... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 15:59
That was Threefates! Her maiden days were over a long time ago... |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 16:08
Great band...awesome vocalist. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 16:11
Great to read you again Greg...awesome post. |
Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 19:07
| They are overhyped and overated! I do like some of their stuff but inconsistency comes to mind! |
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 19:35
| Yeah................I was just thinking the same thing yesterday. Steve Wilson definately overproduces. Then again I like the sound he brought out of Opeth on Blackwater Park. Maybe porcupine tree isn't just intersiting enough for there own sound to shine through (actually it does, I just wouldn't call it "shining") |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:08
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:14
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Posted By: skarabrae
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 20:30
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Porcupine Tree has some cool tunes. I really like "Halo". I
don't really think they have done anything truelly original ... nothing stands out to me. They don't sound like anything I've never heard before. Maybe for that reason they are overrated, but I listen to them anyway. They are current ... something new (not very different). ------------- We who explore, willfully depart absolute reality for a time. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 10 2005 at 21:00
Porcupine Tree are underrated severely, especially where I come from. I own 6 of their albums and I like each one as an individual piece of work. In Absentia gets the most play but I am also very keen of The Sky Moves Sideways for its spacey ambience. PT is mood music to me. So I have to feel like I really need a dose of them before I play an album. On saying that, PT are the most exciting prog group today. Steve Wilson has done an outstanding job to create such diversity of themes musically, from PT's inception to the PT of now - thats my opinion and I cannot see that changing any time soon.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 07:18
You must eat a lot of broccoli. Great memory.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 08:12
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I am not trying to pick on you but you really contradicted yourself. You say: You don't think they have done anything original,nothing stands out.Also they are something new but not very different... But then: They don't sound like anything you have ever heard before If they don't sound like anything you have ever heard before I would call that very ORIGINAL. ------------- |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:00
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I love this band. I think that Wilson's writing skill are the best in the prog world today. He really know's how to write songs and create the correct mood. Beautiful chord changed, with a funky beat and bass line. Beautiful lyrics. Its just brillinat.
------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:15
To me prog means something other than what Porcupine Tree seem to dish out (talking the last two cds)
With all the fuss over Porcupine Tree they seem to be more alternative hard rock more so than prog, for this I regard them as an overrated prog band and an underrated alternative rock band. |
Posted By: JohnSnow
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:45
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When I think of musical genius I think of ... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ... Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever
peter gabriel musical genius? A good singer but more of a broadway showman. Jordan Rudess, while I think he is awesome, he isn't even the best keyboardest that Dream Theater has had. Fripp is a genius. Neil Peart while I love his work is not a genius, he is a drummer a great drummer but thet is it. Neal Morse is getting more and more cheesy, Kerry Livgren is a joke as is Kansas, their early albums were good, but they were crap after a certain point. Steve Wilson is not one dimensional like your geniuses with the exception of Fripp. Wilson is progressing with each piece of music he puts out, regardless of Porcupine Tree, No-Man, Bass Communion, I.E.M, Blackfield, under his own name. The truth of the matter is that you are not as progressive as you think. You want to stick with the same sounds as the 70's. You don't want new innovations, you want the same stuff. Wilson is progress. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:48
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Posted By: stephdrum
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:26
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WILSON IS A GENIUS!! SAW HIM IN SHOW 2 TIMES AND HE IS A GREAT PERFOMER TOO!! THE BAND IS FANTASTIC!!!! THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF PROG!!!!!! |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:36
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I wouldn't rank SW as a genius, but deff. better than average. I think
Porcupine Tree is Steven Wilson's Solo carear, basically. He writes the
songs and is the frontman. Not to say the other people are bad or
anything, they just, well, do nothing. I think that if they were to
write with Steven Wilson Porcupine Tree would become an outstanding
band. I don't think they're latest couple of albums are over rated at all. I loved Deadwing and In Absentia, however I could never really get into there older stuff. I think they were trying too much to be a 70's progressive band and not be there own thing. (I really like No-Man, though, and I guess that's kind of like early PT.) As far as Musical genius's go, yes I would agree with Gabriel, Niel Peart, Peter Hammil, etc. But those guys are beside the point of the main topic, if I may. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:39
He said that don't sound like anything he's Never heard before. It might be an awkward way of phrasing it, but there's no contradiction. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:17
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:30
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The future of prog indeed !!! saw them live and absolutely fantastic ------------- I'm a Work Of Art..Too Perfect For Someone Like you.. |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 19:25
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PT are doing for Prog what those with foresight, musical insightfullness and the ability to carry it off, did throughout the other decades. If it wasn't for bands like PT, prog as a vibrant,'progressing' genre, might very well die out. Sure, they incorporate elements that can be associated with mainstream but even some 'mainstream' is simply trying to echo life in some form. The artist catches the fusion of sounds and ideas and according to their individual abilities and based upon the vision they have for their music, they put it out there and every little hungry bear soaks it up and either spits it out or chews on it and feedsback about it, just like we are doing. PT are cleverly not listening to the pundits who would have them fit into their own little box of what their style of prog means and are making something of themselves and are creating excellent musical experiences in the process. If it wasn't for bands like them, the term dinosaur would be a justifiable epitath for this type of music. By the way, try and keep in mind that I didn't say they were the only ones. They are though IMO, the Floyds (albeit a metamorphised brand) of the 21st century. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:30
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I think Porcupine Tree has been very overrated. Mainly because I've never, ever heard of them until I saw your post. Or maybe that makes them underrated..... ------------- LDL |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:46
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Not overrated. You should see them performing live! Very, very prog, interesting, and I really enjoyed some of their heavy riffs lately... Although deadwing contains some 'weak' songs, it's generally good. I would agree that they used to experiment more in the early days. But this is the common situation... (damn!) |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:52
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:53
| yes! |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:28
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See I dont think it is a solo carrer. Yes he writes the music and plays the most instruments, but to say that the rest of the band doesnt add anytihng is kind of ignorant. The bass lines really add alot to many songs. The same witht he drums. I think all around they are a good balance of eachother
I don't like Deadwing that much, but Love In absentia. ( I haven't heard any No-man stuff yet..)
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:05
Since I have Deadwing with me write here, when you look in the back of the album packet thingy, it says: "Music and Lyrics by Steven Wilson, except Halo, and Glass arm Shattering- music by Porcupine Tree, and the start of something beautiful- music by Steven Wilson and Gavin Harrison" 3 out of 10 tracks, thats only 30% not fully written by Steve Wilson. So yes, the other band members don't do nothing, but the best tracks IMO were steven wilson, which to me makes it basically his solo career. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:18
What's so progressive about them? I'm a fan of the band but I fail to see how they're any more progressive than Porcupine Tree, and in terms of songwriting ability, I'd place Steve Wilson miles ahead of Carl Cadden-James (or any of SG's members, for that matter). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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