Why sting is not prog?
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Topic: Why sting is not prog?
Posted By: grimpiter
Subject: Why sting is not prog?
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:19
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...(I LOVE ALL STING´S WORK BTW) BUT THINK OF AN ALBUM WITH: -CHILDREN´S CRUSADE -SYNCHRONICITY II -RUSSIANS -STRAIGHT TO MY HEART -THE WILD WILD SEA -MAD ABOUT YOU -SAINT AGNES AND THE BURNING TRAIN -SEVEN DAYS -SAINT AUGUSTINE IN HELL -I HUNG MY HEAD -I WAS BROUGHT TO MY SENSES -25 TO MIDNIGHT -VALPARAISO -A THOUSAND YEARS -BIG LIE, SMALL WORLD -DESERT ROSE (THEY ALL HAVE PROG OR AT LEAST SYMPHONIC ELEMENTS: ODD-TIME SIGNATURES, LUSH INSTRUMENTATION, MASSIVE USE OF KEYBOARDS AS LEADING OR ATMOSPHERIC PURPOSES, LONG SOLOS...) WHY NOT CONSIDER HIM A LITTLE BIT "PROG POP"... WHAT DO YOU THINK? IF YOU THINK SERIUOSLY...
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Posted By: o0mr_bill0o
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:21
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Posted By: Astaroth
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:33
So you think prog's about that.
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Just that? Posted By: kirklott
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:41
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Topic: why sting is not prog? Sting isn't prog because he doesn't play prog. ------------- "Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:45
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pwned!
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:07
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For that matter, I've always considered the Police to be an Art Rock band. They obviously have far better chops than most of their contemporaries. And Andy Summers' style is reminisent of Fripp's. |
Posted By: B3Brad
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:09
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The Police can probably be considered Art Rock, but Sting is really more balladry.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:17
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Alan Pfeifer wrote:
Many bands have much better chops than their contemporaries but that doesn't mean they are Prog. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:17
sting and the police are both great. Synchronicity is one of my favorite albums i have on vinyl. but neither are prog. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:20
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Pop, very good pop, but nothing more. ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:41
I agree that the Police are very Art Rock to me. I also think Sting's "Dream of the blue turtles" could be considered prog. ------------- +FUSIONED+ 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:00
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Nah. Maybe a slight prog type sound/influence here and there. Nothing more. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:23
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he is more pop jazz than prog, sometimes flirting with new age. i like very much his solo stuff though. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:56
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The Police were a jazz/reggae band in the disguise of a punk band when they were first signed to a major record label. They basically remained that until their second album, Regatta De Blac, when they fuzed a more overtly pop style into the mix. After awhile, they abandoned the punk aspect almost entirely and mixed some electronica into the mix. They only approched prog a few times, with songs like "Spirits in the Material World" "Omegaman" and "Synchronicity 2." They really were never a prog rock band. Sting was just a very well-taught musician and theorist and knew how to write an interesting and sometimes complex song. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:13
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Progressive Pop/Avant Pop. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:21
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I think most of us don't perceive his music as prog because he still ties himself a lot to the song format. Granted, he uses a lot of influences, like classical music (Russians), Kurt Weil music (Sister music), jazz (The Dream Of The Blue Turtles), calypso (Love Is The Seventh Wave), country music, even hip hop, etcetera etcetera, but they're still songs. I think many prog fans like Sting, though. I know I do, I like his music a lot! He has a sense of melody, incredible, and his lyrics are imaginative, and he always surrounds himself with great musicians and producers! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:25
^ using traditional song structures is not a criteria against prog. NOT using them is common in prog, but not necessary ... don't be so rigid! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:34
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It's (mostly) good stuff, but I wouldn't say it was prog. I preferred
his earlier solo work which had defintie jazz influences in it (and
players on it!). Think I'd agree with Moogtorn's assessment of him.^^ |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:27
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Well, I'm not so sure about that. It's of course the old question: "What is prog and what is not" and criteria are hard to find. Still... I get the feeling that any band / artist who makes music which I'd call prog, is from time to time abandoning the song structures, I mean, breaking rules... For me, Sting really is a songwriter, not a prog musician. He restricts himself very much to the song structure. Yeah, he's the one who's rigid, not me |
. Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 06:17
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Well you can tie it up in diferent ways, you can make all sorts of knots. You can play Cats Cradle, and even tie things up with it........sounds pretty prog to me!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 06:31
He uses unusual time signatures, serious Jazz influences ... I'm not saying that he's prog, but if there is something like "Progressive Pop" then String would be a perfect example. IMO Progressive Pop could even be defined as music which stays close to traditional principles of popular music, but combines that music with really progressive elements. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 07:52
Progressive pop? Okay, I can agree with that |
. Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 09:53
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Police definetely has Elements of Prog, but not everything: Here is what I consider Prog: Invisible Sun, Sycronocity 2, Don't Stand So Close to Me, . ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 10:18
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I agree with Stonebeard the Great ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:18
Can't believe this thread; Sting's music is typical of that horrid ultra sophisticated, 'coffee table' music from the 1980s, much like the stuff Steve Winwood and Phil Collins churned out....Prog??
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:22
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No, I disagree, and I don't understand that quite some people think that Sting didn't make any proper album after The Dream Of The Blue Turtles anymore. He's very eclectic, and though he sticks very much to the song format, he does some very interesting things, musically. |