Phil Collins has said a lot of things to justify the change of Genesis, like that he rather listen a punk album than a Pink Floyd or Yes album, and things like that.

But after some years and when he was already out of Genesis (and POP Genesis was forgotten by their fans) he said that his favorite Genesis album was The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

But I rather remember him for his great drumming contribution to  Genesis and Brand X than for his own contradictions.

Iván

Six Eight wrote:

ivan_2068 wrote: Phil Collins has said a lot of things to justify the change of Genesis, like that he rather listen a punk album than a Pink Floyd or Yes album, and things like that. But after some years and when he was already out of Genesis (and POP Genesis was forgotten by their fans) he said that his favorite Genesis album was The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. But I rather remember him for his great drumming contribution to  Genesis and Brand X than for his own contradictions. Iván I thought Phil said he never really understood the Lamb?

Another Phil Collins contradiction

The Marriott at County Hall Friday 23rd November 2001 Webmaster: On a more positive front then, what about the favourite albums that you did? Phil Collins: I think 'The Lamb' because 'The Lamb's' got a lot of music. You can't listen to it all in one go, well I can't but the fans do, but there's a lot of music that was improvised and I couldn't tell you what was going to happen next unless I listened to it three or four times. So in terms of listening to something and being surprised by it I think 'The Lamb' would be my favourite. It might be the way it was recorded, it was a little rougher audio-wise. http://www.genesis-music.com/interview.htm - http://www.genesis-music.com/interview.htm

What has happened today that I had to quote everything.

Iván

Phil Collins? 'Never been a fan myself. When I began hearing about him, he was doing mostly Pop. In the 70s, I really didn't listen to Genesis, though.

Now; Peter Gabriel, on the other hand; I really became a fan after seeing his concert (on Direct TV) of the "Secret World" Tour. Wow!! That was excellent! That is on my DVD list.  

Phil Collins puts his foot in it, on the Genesis History video when he says how the band never appealed to women in the 70's. He claimed the music was too demanding for them..

..then he realises what he said and tries damage limitation by saying 'Oh I dont mean that in any chauvenistic sense'

Yeah, right Phillip...   Shut up and play yer drums..

^ Not sure I'd agree with all of that ranger..

I dont think he is overated drummer at all, infact I think he is one of the best, and thats not just because I'm a big Genesis fan. I've listened carefully to Bruford and Palmer and yes, they are fantastic, but in all fairness Collins is playing equally complex material, but with an almost effortless flair. He doesn't sound like he's even breaking into a sweat. This is why I think he is the best at making a laid back jazz approach work in a rock context.

Thompson is also a brilliant drummer - perhaps better than Collins - and a very similar drummer in style. You can see why Collins asked him to join the band after hearing him play on Zappas 'Live at the Roxy'

Blacksword wrote: Phil Collins puts his foot in it, on the Genesis History video when he says how the band never appealed to women in the 70's. He claimed the music was too demanding for them.. ..then he realises what he said and tries damage limitation by saying 'Oh I dont mean that in any chauvenistic sense' Yeah, right Phillip...   Shut up and play yer drums..

 Yep, Collins should stop talking AND singing. Put some duct tape over his mouth and place him behind the drums.

krusty wrote: ^Hehehe, I'm starting to get the feeling he is a bit of an ars*hole! About he Lamb, "You can't listen to it all in one go, well I can't but the fans do" this also makes me laugh. Why can't he listen to it all in one go!!!! Whats the problem? I get the impression he was just a passenger on this album then? He IS a great drummer but as others have said, please STOP talking Phil!!! Your not doing yourself any favours.

..and he contradicts himself. In Hugh Fielders 'Book of Genesis' he's quoted as saying that he used to get stoned every night of the Lamb tour and listen to the whole album on the headphones before going to bed.

Ahh good ole' Phil...

If we sat here on our computers and wrote down the contridictory comments Phil has said since he joined Genesis, we would be able to make a book out of it....

Let me write a few Phil-isms to entertain the few here... If you do not mind...

I always hated the fact that people compared us to the Moodie Blues, they are a bunch of old farts....

I never liked Yes.... But yet not only was Bill Bruford his idol, he nearly replaced him in Yes...

He never cared much for Roxy Music, but yet during the late 70's ealy 80's the band nearly mirrored each other in sound and in image...

Charles

Nazgul wrote: Why? If You don't like him - don't  listen. I do that and it works.

I always try not to listen to him and many others but, at least here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, at many public places one goes there's always a radio on: the subway, the market, several shops, the big newstands even the buses

99% of the music casted is crap including certain Brazilian 'modern' rythms and among them the worst of the worst of international music. Sometimes returning home after a hard day may be a painful journey.

Nazgul wrote: Atkingani wrote: Nazgul wrote: Why? If You don't like him - don't  listen. I do that and it works. I always try not to listen to him and many others but, at least here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, at many public places one goes there's always a radio on: the subway, the market, several shops, the big newstands even the buses 99% of the music casted is crap including certain Brazilian 'modern' rythms and among them the worst of the worst of international music. Sometimes returning home after a hard day may be a painful journey. I live in Kraków -Poland and problem of "bad music" everywere is the same. But I bought MP3 player and this is no My problem anymore. I'm listening what I want and when I want. P.S. I regret that I'm not in Rio de Janeiro now. In Poland is 4 PM and is nearly dark. I hate winter. It's raining all day and water freezing on the streets.

I don't like summer  but here during spring, winter and fall the weather is fair.

Ahh goody a phil colins slanging match. I hate the man and when ever he opens his gob crap comes out of it. The muppet told us about the homeless, LIKE WE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE! you retard! God I hate him , his solo stuff sucks, pop genesis was awful, then they realised what a dick head he was and chucked him out.

His only redemmeing features (only 2 may I add) are that he is a good drummer (and should stick to it and not compose) and the bongos in 'in the air tonight'

Here it appears that he's really fond of Yes (he can't seem make up his mind)

He really should just shut up

salmacis wrote: Phil Collins has made remarks about Pink Floyd and Yes before, particularly that he'd 'rather be stuck on a desert island with an Aretha Franklin, Sam and Dave or Otis Redding album that a Pink Floyd or Yes record' and that he agreed that 'the bands that were being sl*gged off as being boring, I thought were boring as well', that comes from an interview with him on the 'Genesis A History' video. But I don't think this should cloud anyone's judgement of Phil really- it's up to him what music he likes and certainly doesn't alter my perception of Genesis or Phil himself at all!

Phil Collins is a great businessman, he says things when convenient.

When he contributed to turn Genesis into a POP band he started to speak crap about Prog', because Genesis Progf fans hated him and he never cared, he was more interested in gaining new POP fans, so what's more popular than speaking crap about an umnpopular genre?

He said thingds like We were only popular when Peter left.....When Punk appeared, Prog Dinosaurs fell of the trees as rotten apples.....I would never let Peter rejoin Genesis (All almost literal quotes from Genesis a History).

But years have passed, Pop Genesis fans have vanished because Pop fans (Mostly) are faithful to their band when they are POPular, when they leave the charts, good night, nobody will remember you.

Ask Wacko Jacko, New Kids on the Block, Lionel Ritchie or Men at Work, nobody buys their albums anymore or even remembers them unless they are sued.

So he has noticed that Prog Genesis fans are more each day, The Lamb or Foxtrot sale 20 or 30 times more than Shapes or We Can't Dance, so he has to gain the favour of progheads who remain faithful.

So now his message has changed:

• I will only rejoin Genesis if Peter sings (Prog fans wouldn't care for Genesis without Peter ad Steve)
• Yes is my main influence (After shouting for years that Motown was his first love)
• The Lamb is my favorite album.
• Supper's Ready is my favorite song

The guy doesn'thas alzheimer or falls in contradictions, he only says what is more profitable and popular in a determined moment.

Iván

But i really like his singing and i think he can atleast sing really close to Peter Gabriel...sometimes even better...

And i like some of the genesis and phil collins pop songs better than some gabriel material

Poor Phil does get a bad press on this forum.

Never really been a fan of Genesis or Collins, but I really enjoyed Collins/plant/page at Live Aid in 84. If only he'd have gone on to work with them instead of being a teeny bopper.

He does seem to be trying, at various points in his career, to side with the punks and, previously (with his early allegiance to Yes) the proggers. To his credit, he did recently say, in Van der Graaf Generator - The Book, "Most of what VdGG did was pretty adventurous and expansive. There was no doubting their originality. Dave Jackson's stage persona and his very original sax set-up, coupled with Peter Hammill's voice, were unlike anything else out there. Hugh Banton, too, was unconventional. They didn't have a bass player so he played bass pedals on the Hammond. The more I think about it, the more off-the-wall they were as a band!"

So, he may cut down Yes, Pink Floyd, the Moodies, etc, but he bolsters the one band (IMHO) who bridges the gap between punk and prog (and maybe the only prog band revered by punks). Of course, I'm biased because I co-wrote the VdGG book and am eternally indebted to PC for helping out with this and other quotes given to us.

By the way, I see nothing incongruous about him championing early Banks-period Yes, yet dismissing the later stuff. The first Yes lineup came from more of a psychedlic, beat-group angle (great stuff!). I think it was the later, '70s stuff that the punks (and apparently Phil) dismissed.

The moral of this thread

Phil Collins should keep his mouth shut

Black Max wrote: Yes, he has a love for Motown and American soul, and had the cojones to admit to a sneaking admiration for punk music when it came out.  Well and good.  And a lot of the music he made under his own moniker and as the leader of the Genesis three-piece is forgettable by our standards.  No matter, we still owe Collins a hell of a debt.

Well, to be honest he had the cojones (Good Spanish word) to say many things, of course each phrase contradicts the previous, but if you study the pattern each one was mentioned when it was more convenient for his career.

1. He rather listen Punk than a Yes or Pink Floyd album
2. Yes was a great influence and one of his favorite bands ????
3. His first love was Motown
4. The best album is The Lamb
5. He never uderstood The Lamb
6. He would never allow Peter to join Genesis again (Genesis a History)
7. He would only rejoin Genesis if Peter sings.

And a lot of other gems.

Iván