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Topic: Deja Vu
Posted By: Petra
Subject: Deja Vu
Date Posted: September 11 2004 at 20:01

Do you ever get Déjà vu when listening …

 

Some groups are heavily influenced by a another band for example Porcupine Tree’s track 'The Sky Moves Side' Ways has many similarities to Pink Floyds 'Shine on You Crazy Diamond' but I see that as a form of flattery to PF.

 

Led Zeppelin probably had the most success at ripping of another band music when they used Spirits instrumental tune 'Taurus' and gave birth to one of the most well loved classic song 'A Stairway To Heaven'.

 

What better form of adulation than to be inspired by another band and to assimilate their music into yours….or is it?

 



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 11 2004 at 23:18
Déjà vu is present in all genres of music. But the show must go on all the same!


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 07:25

Too many to mention but well ok then ......Triumvirat:-

ELP CLONES

arrrgggghhhh!!



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 07:26
Actually what I mean is that the are bad fake ELP clones.If they were good ELP clones then I might like them!


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 10:42
Maani, this thread looks right up your street!Wink


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 10:53
Starcastle = Yes

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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 14:23

early rush = bad zeppelin

marillion mk 1 = bad genesis

genesis mk 2/3 = poor genesis mk 1

genesis mk 4 = really bad genesis mk 3

phil collins first 3 solo albums = poor pop imitations of peter gabriel's first 3 (at least in the rhythms /vibes)

Actually Zepp get quite a lot of bad cloning - how about Kingdom Come's Zeppalike awfulness or just as bad, David Coveradale's howlingly bad Plantisms on Coverdale/Page. Jimmy should be cringing in embarrassment!

 

 



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 20:47
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

early rush = bad zeppelin

marillion mk 1 = bad genesis

genesis mk 2/3 = poor genesis mk 1

genesis mk 4 = really bad genesis mk 3

phil collins first 3 solo albums = poor pop imitations of peter gabriel's first 3 (at least in the rhythms /vibes)

I disagree about 110%



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 20:51
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Too many to mention but well ok then ......Triumvirat:-

ELP CLONES

arrrgggghhhh!!

Triumvirat rule! They sound like ELP, but they never copied them.



Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: September 12 2004 at 21:27

I think its just the opposite with Triumvirat... they tried to copy, but they just couldn't sound like ELP..



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Posted By: Paco Fox
Date Posted: September 13 2004 at 03:33

Hi, and here are some contributions to this ATTACK OF THE CLONES:

Mike Oldfield clones:

Good: Asturias (a japanese group with a Spanish name!), Colin Masson (solo album from celtic rock band the Morrigan frontman), Ken Baird (Not just a clone, but there are several similarities in his first and third album.

In the middle ground: Amarok (the polish one. Some times it's ok, but no more than that), Engel ( I like it, but as I've read some not so enthusiastic reviews, I don't usually recommend him)

Bad: Gandalf (Boring new age with boring electric guitar parts), Jeremy (All the songs sound the same)

Camel clones:

Good: Odycisse (A bit of sameness in the album 'Impression' and one too Nude-esque melody in the Moondrive EP, but good nevertheless)

So-so: Rousseau (first and second are pleasant records. Forget about the other two)

Bad: Mirage: I've read some good reviews about this one, but... It's just a clone minus Latimer's emotion.

Renaissance clones:

Good: Theta (A very enjoyable japanese group. Some of the members were in 'Vermillion Sands', although I prefer Theta, because they are less derivate.)

Bad: Solstice (Not BAD, but simply terribly not memorable)

So that's it for now, young padawans...



Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 13 2004 at 08:28
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

early rush = bad zeppelin

 

Early Zeppelin derived from Jeff Beck's heavy blues rock experiments on Truth and Cosa Nostra, and not forget Bert Jansch's Transatlantic records recordings. Worth checking out May Blitz spin on heavy rock, drummer Tony Newman having first played on the Beck sessions as did John Paul Jones.



Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: September 13 2004 at 10:32
Oh boy, i got  Deja Vu again  Pineapple Thief = Porcupine Tree

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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: September 13 2004 at 12:24

I know, I know, Zepp stole from just about everyone but at least Page did it with some panache.

I love Rush and their debut album but I'm man enough to admit that, well, it's total cobblers really...



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 15 2004 at 09:09

Petra are you a woman?

I love you



Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: September 15 2004 at 09:27
Actually I think every time I listen to "The Darkness".. I have a deja vu from half the bands in the 70s..

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 15 2004 at 10:31

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Actually I think every time I listen to "The Darkness".. I have a deja vu from half the bands in the 70s..

 

I made the effort to watch the edited highlights of this year's Reading Festival where The Darkness headlined and go most of three of their tunes - if these were representative, I can only conclude the band is desperately limited in respect to good rock riffs and tunes, and in particular, the guitar solos were mediocre cliched riff after dull cliched riff. We wouldn't toleranted such limited rock in the 70's. The kids are being conned, the pity being the radio DJs are largely pig ignorant of what lurks in the archives and even if they did know,  the programme producers have an embargo on any recording more than 10 years old.



Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: September 15 2004 at 12:17

I think The Darkness are just a bit of fun a complete parody of 70's rock and pretty entertaining live but thats as far as they go for me.   Now what happened to The Datsuns? I saw them a couple of years ago, masses of AC/DC and Deep Purple influences and they really rocked! Maybe they should have donned silver jump suits and feather boa's and beat The Darkness to it, they certainly have more talent and better teeth

OliverStoned .....Erm I was a women when i last looked



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Don't hate me
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: September 15 2004 at 12:48
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

.. the guitar solos were mediocre cliched riff after dull cliched riff. We wouldn't toleranted such limited rock in the 70's.

Ahh.... but we did.  Well at the end of the 70s anyway... Journey, Foreigner, all those mediocre rock bands... Even earlier.. the critic-loved "Velvet Underground"... very limited rock altho JC went on to better things.

And Petra...Thats how I look at a lot of the music of today... a bit of fun, if they only knew how to play their instruments..



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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 04:55

 

"OliverStoned .....Erm I was a women when i last looked "

I like to know you better



Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 05:00
"If they only knew how to play their instruments.. "

Wow you´ve got some demands there sweet Threefates, doesn´t good looks compensate for the lack of  hard work and intelligence ????? 

Oh Oh here I go again.....Irony Junkie





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