They lack the patience to truly appreciate the virtues of the music. 

God only knows.

Different sex, different brains. They have a lot of other pleasures.

Or maybe you meet wrong girls. 

i know girls who like prog bands but they simply call it ''classic rock''

if i find a girl with rush and pain of salvation as favourite bands,i'll marry her!!!

well she should be pretty of course

thanos wrote: if i find a girl with rush and pain of salvation as favourite bands,i'll marry her!!!

You risk to be a bachelor all your life.

If you'll meet a pretty girl who likes, for instance, Pink Floyd, don't let her go. 

Women ? they are very creative and stuff however... when we look back at history most of the great inventions were thought up and designed by men and thats a fact ! Prog being very innovated I feel goes over womens heads its as if womens & mens brains are hardwired slightly different to each other.

The other thing is women are more likely to be suckered in by band image (pretty boys) .. and since there arent that many prog bands with pretty boys , this is another issue in itself thats sure to segregate women.

Our lack of maternal instincts is replaced with an appreciation for extreme sports and art.  Though saying this I have met the odd women that likes prog. Just like us guys being differant to each other women are also. 

The situation that this topic addresses goes all the way back to our childhood , when little girls were fed the crap of meeting a handsome prince and they played with their ken & Barbie dolls while us boys were building a dodgy flying fox or Billy Cart and breaking our arms and legs, this is when the formative hardwiring is created in the brain and why we like what we do.   (just a theory)

Asyte2c00 wrote: They lack the patience to truly appreciate the virtues of the music.

o_O... ??? Really???

Calls for a post from me, ProgLover since 1977 - and very, very female indeed.

I'm afraid you guys have been meeting/looking at/fancying the wrong ladies so far...

 micky...

It's indeed hard to find ProgLoving Women, I know... but I tell you, good looking ProgLoving Men aren't that often to be found either. Most of them are of the  category!

Only joking of course...

• Pop - pretty boy image
• Rock & Metal - rugged (warrior-like) image
• prog - mr average image

A  female co-worker just today defined progressive rock as anti-social music that appeals only to people who are at least a little socially retarded.

I guess The Mars Volta-Francis the Mute and Pink Floyd's Uma Gumma were a little too much for her.

women who like prog do not go out to show themselves. that's why we do not see too many women who like prog. however, i think there are more than we think.

if rachel jones is a prog girl, then many other beautiful girls are able to be it too: the condition is that they have to not focus all the time on their looks, the shopping centers and the tendencies, so that they can have time to enjoy the prog music.

for many women, the definition of intimacy is not to enjoy alone prog music: it is to be in a bed with a man who tries to warm her frozen feet...

NotAProghead wrote: thanos wrote: if i find a girl with rush and pain of salvation as favourite bands,i'll marry her!!! You risk to be a bachelor all your life. If you'll meet a pretty girl who likes, for instance, Pink Floyd, don't let her go.

I know a girl that likes all those bands.

She also likes Spiral Architect, and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.

FragileDT wrote: s1ipp3ry wrote: FragileDT wrote: s1ipp3ry wrote: Women ? they are very creative and stuff however... when we look back at history most of the great inventions were thought up and designed by men and thats a fact ! Prog being very innovated I feel goes over womens heads its as if womens & mens brains are hardwired slightly different to each other. The other thing is women are more likely to be suckered in by band image (pretty boys) .. and since there arent that many prog bands with pretty boys , this is another issue in itself thats sure to segregate women. Our lack of maternal instincts is replaced with an appreciation for extreme sports and art.  Though saying this I have met the odd women that likes prog. Just like us guys being differant to each other women are also.  The situation that this topic addresses goes all the way back to our childhood , when little girls were fed the crap of meeting a handsome prince and they played with their ken & Barbie dolls while us boys were building a dodgy flying fox or Billy Cart and breaking our arms and legs, this is when the formative hardwiring is created in the brain and why we like what we do.   (just a theory) Completely wrong. Have you ever studied anything of Sociology or anything about Feminism? The man overpowered and suppressed women since the beginning. Women played the role of the "house wife" while the "man" had to go out and make the money and do the "real" work. Today women are still suppressed in many aspects. Women (and people in general) generally fall victim to society. In today's case, women follow what the media says they should follow. You have to wear a lot of makeup and keep in style, it's important to look like celebrities... I'm not saying every woman is like this, but the majority are. The same goes for men. Men fall victim of wanting to look like celebrities by trying to get big (working out a lot, steroids) and portraying their "manly" image. I'm not going to sit here and lecture about sociological ideas but pick up a book about women's history in society and the hundreds of years of inferiority. That's why women might be more likely to listen to a group because of their looks. That's what their friends are doing and that's what the media and society wants them to do. I understand what you are trying to say  however ... our cultured thoughts to some degree are what we want to believe , so our behavior follows what is expected to some degree , and we expect the first man to walk on the moon , we expect the first man to walk on mars someday , we expect a man to destroy the planet someday and we expect a man to find the cure for cancer  why ? because women want to ride in the back and think they have control .. they don`t   Women don't want to ride in the back. That's where women's rights comes in. Society and media influence distort the minds of most including the women.

 and I think the answer is Yes and further more they decide to be , so they bring it on themselves more or less   

   Well I got 4 sisters and 3 of them like prog to some extent. But it tends to be the more accessible like Moody Blues Tull or Supertramp, some Floyd and Genesis. The really complex and elaboarte stuff seems to be a manly preserve

womem are like progressive rock .some are very complex others just boring,some very accessible some you dont get it and others just blow you away but you love it all because they are beautifull

ok guys, a woman's going to chime in here. I've been hearing the like for decades. First, it all depends on the people you know. Of all the women I hung/hang out w/, many were/are into prog - as many as guys. But I hung out w/ a certain kind of people. Interesting, intelligent, creative. I was always told "but your not a 'chick'." There are as many vapid dudes as there are chicks. It really depends on the way one's raised and exposed. E.G., my Dad was a be-bop piano player who turned me onto Miles, Monk & Coltrane when I was 11 years old. I wasn't raised with the cliche limits & 'values' most women are taught - vanity - makeup, marriage, kids; while guys are supposed to dig music, given rock-star dreams from the day they can hold a guitar. I was often discouraged by teachers/adults for my interests. I was taught art at home though, thought. Most around me were too [grew up in a University town].

 What I am trying to say is that it's NOT innate, its cultural. There are plenty of dudes who like Jackson Brown, Foreigner, Kansas, Billy Joel, etc [taught to dig corporate rock] remember... Its the way the sexes are so asymmetrically raised. What you have to note also is that most guys look for not much other than babe-ness in their women, and anyone who puts babe values 1st is bound to be vapid and tasteless.

[and to jump the gun of cliche expectations: no, I'm not ugly/sexless or a lesbian ;)] [Note: laugh here]

Cleo

Antennas wrote: It's indeed hard to find ProgLoving Women, I know... but I tell you, good looking ProgLoving Men aren't that often to be found either. Most of them are of the  category!

 ... no arguments from me there ... we even have a Rogues Gallery thread with 34 pages of (mainly) prog-nerd pix to prove it !

ADMIN SPEAKING: on a more serious note people, I seem to recall that the last time we had this discussion, one or two people crossed the line with some provocative sexist remarks ... can we keep it cool, this time?

Cheers!

^^^^^^

Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.

Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are>

Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music (which for centuries was also the case of most men of lower classes as they only heard music when the bards/troubadours came to their villages) as linked with festivities and dancing. Therefore for women, often music is linked with dancing and seduction in order to attract a mate (which on a down to earth scale is what life is all about) and settle in a nest and reproduce.

So most women like music that is related to this kind of goal in life and will not appreciate music likely to be taking up time to get into and also disregard men who like that kind of music  - partly out of fear that this kind of music is so time-consuming hobby that it leaves too few hours for the relationships. I even suspect many females gewtting into prog a bit as an investment and a manner to spend more time with their mate (and share a bit more complicity)

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Post 3000!!! It looks like I am getting in the Geek/nerd category myself!!!

 Time to go find my sometimes proglovin girlfriend !!!

It is true that it is quite difficult to find female proggers, but in my environment is either difficult to find male or female  .

But I agree with the fact that is something cultural. I don't think that women are not receptive to prog per se. It is simply that their education probably don't allow it. I guess it is something more complicated that you may think, as it usually happen with cultural matters.

Anyway, I'm not going to try to force a girl I like to have the same musical taste than me. I only want someone to feel confortable with and to be in love with, although having some things in common always help

Most of the women answering this thread seems to put it in a social way and most men in a evolutionist way, or am I wrong?

I Think that this have to do with very complex cultural/social matters that stretch back thousands of years. At the beginning this may have been based on the biological order but since then have evolved to what it is today: too complex to be described by music lovers.

^^^

Likewise.

It is sometimes even hard to find myself...

Fortunately my wife loves both Metal and Prog Like me

If I ever happen to have any children, they'd better love my music, or they're out...

^^^^

And....?

Sean Trane wrote: ^^^^^^ Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.   Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are> Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music (which for centuries was also the case of most men of lower classes as they only heard music when the bards/troubadours came to their villages) as linked with festivities and dancing. Therefore for women, often music is linked with dancing and seduction in order to attract a mate (which on a down to earth scale is what life is all about) and settle in a nest and reproduce. So most women like music that is related to this kind of goal in life and will not appreciate music likely to be taking up time to get into and also disregard men who like that kind of music  - partly out of fear that this kind of music is so time-consuming hobby that it leaves too few hours for the relationships. I even suspect many females gewtting into prog a bit as an investment and a manner to spend more time with their mate (and share a bit more complicity)       Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Post 3000!!! It looks like I am getting in the Geek/nerd category myself!!!  Time to go find my sometimes proglovin girlfriend !!!

I think there is a lot of truth in that Sean.

Women have often commented to me that prog is just boring and pointless because you cant sing along - without studying the lyrics for months beforehand - and you cant dance to it, because it stops and starts so much and often sounds like 'the record is jumping'

I've known a few women who like some prog, but it tends to be more accessable stuff like Genesis or Rush (as in the case of my ex) I think between us we worked out that there was a 'nerdy/Hobby/Collector' element to the whole prog thing that generally didn't appeal to women. Men have hobbies, because apparently they need 'to get away' every now and then. Women tend to not have that need to escape, as they are strong enough to live in the real world all or most of the time; they dont need to submerge themselves in greek mythology or Sci Fi and spend hours cataloging their CD collections. I think some women see mens need for hobbies as an avoidance strategy. Avoiding what, though? Them?   I didn't say that....

My Wife loves Prog, although, she does call it Classic Rock.

Some of her favorite bands are Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Zappa, and Gentle Giant.

My boys (7 & 11 years) also love Prog, I have caught both of them singing Pink Floyd songs, such as Wish You Where Here and Any Colour You Like.

gdub411 wrote: A  female co-worker just today defined progressive rock as anti-social music that appeals only to people who are at least a little socially retarded. I guess The Mars Volta-Francis the Mute and Pink Floyd's Uma Gumma were a little too much for her.

Yeah, you should have started her off with something far more accessable. 'Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' springs to mind!

If they wont join you, you may as well throw them in the deep end!

Blacksword wrote: gdub411 wrote: A  female co-worker just today defined progressive rock as anti-social music that appeals only to people who are at least a little socially retarded. I guess The Mars Volta-Francis the Mute and Pink Floyd's Uma Gumma were a little too much for her. Yeah, you should have started her off with something far more accessable. 'Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' springs to mind! If they wont join you, you may as well throw them in the deep end!

I was thinking of Univers Zero's Heresie or Henry Cow's Leg End!

Yeah, most girls/ women are turned off by prog..

Not my fiance though!! We both love prog!!!

s1ipp3ry wrote: Well its an interesting theory,  however .. its a put down to women saying their only appreciation for music is through lustful intentions

You dirty mind you!!

I was not refferring to their lust but their deep down nature of giving life> This is why men do these crazy things : give life to Financial empires, long stories , musical oeuvre etc...

On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!!

Sean Trane wrote: s1ipp3ry wrote: Well its an interesting theory,  however .. its a put down to women saying their only appreciation for music is through lustful intentions   You dirty mind you!! I was not refferring to their lust but their deep down nature of giving life> This is why men do these crazy things : give life to Financial empires, long stories , musical oeuvre etc... On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!!

Im afraid id have to agree!

Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Sean Trane wrote: On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!! Im afraid id have to agree!

Why be afraid ?

akin wrote: It is cultural. Rock in general is associated with men,  other genres like romantic pop, dance, latin rhythms are associated to women. So a 6, 7 year old boy hears that men like rock, listening to rock is cool and he starts listening rock, even if he doesn't enjoy it.  And so do little girls with fashion music. Nowadays we see lots of girls wearing punk/hardcore/metal t-shirts and listening to those things because it became fashion. It is cool to a girl like rock and even be in a rock band(like Avril Lavigne, Evanescence , White Stripes and Nightwish). Psychedelic was common for women back in 60's. All those hippie girls with flowers in their heads and multi-colored dresses. It was a fashion. I think progressive rock never became a great fashion between women, so I think that is the only reason to this. I am sure about this because I have shown progressive rock to many girls and all of them liked. Of course I didn't start with Close to the Edge or 21th Century Schizoid Man (Van der Graaf is forbidden to start, but for my surprise, I showed first a Tangerine Dream's song to a distant relative and she liked!), but once they get some shorter songs, they tend to accept the longer and most complex ones. It is all fashion.

You should see my nephew going  crazy at AC/DC at his age. He is 30 months old!!!!! He actually loves the stuff!!!

This is developing into a very interesting thread, from a biological/sociological/psychological point of view... quite an eye-opener (well, not really  ) to read some of the 'male' opinions about the female gender of homo sapiens sapiens over here - and I have to conclude they're not all that logical, while men always consider themselves as the more logical thinkers...???

For instance, I find it very strange to read that nearly all the guys over here want their ladies to be PRETTY, but at the same time they're complaining about women taking too much effort in their make-up, shopping, etc.! Sadly enough, a lot of us ladies do need a little touching-up now and then in order to look in any way 'pretty'... a fact of reality, I'm afraid. Quite some double standard, not?

Ah, I should have known I was part of the 'nerd'-category when I scored my first A+ in maths  - no wonder I ended up as a ProgLover! Oh, and I like PORN too, hehe...

I really look forward to further reading in this thread!

BaldFriede wrote: oliverstoned wrote: ...I quite agree with someone up saying that men have a need to escape from real life, while women are more at ease in the material reality and are more ressistant to physical and moral pain. That's why women usually murder with poison, planned long in advance. Men usually kill on the spur of the moment.

That's not the best way to publicise your restaurant....

oliverstoned wrote: Hello Antennas! Why not joining our 18th March meeting in the Hague? That would be an occasion to continue this fascinating discussion.

Would be an excellent idea - do inform me about this meeting! (PM) I'd love to get to know people on this board a little better...

Antennas wrote: For instance, I find it very strange to read that nearly all the guys over here want their ladies to be PRETTY, but at the same time they're complaining about women taking too much effort in their make-up, shopping, etc.! Sadly enough, a lot of us ladies do need a little touching-up now and then in order to look in any way 'pretty'... a fact of reality, I'm afraid. Quite some double standard, not?

I actually don't complain about that (it is ilogical to do so). The moment I start complaining is when I find a girl who only thinks about that, and they exist.

@shyman, oliverstoned -

I very much agree with the both of you!

Girls who only think about their looks are a disgrace to my gender (or perhaps they're prettier than me and I'm just jealous?  - at least they're stupid, as all of us get older, and that usually isn't an approvement in one's looks) and let's not even go to the subject of plastic surgery...

Strange to see so many men actually liking "Silicon Valley"- models and actresses. Not YOU, of course

shyman wrote: Antennas wrote: For instance, I find it very strange to read that nearly all the guys over here want their ladies to be PRETTY, but at the same time they're complaining about women taking too much effort in their make-up, shopping, etc.! Sadly enough, a lot of us ladies do need a little touching-up now and then in order to look in any way 'pretty'... a fact of reality, I'm afraid. Quite some double standard, not? I actually don't complain about that (it is ilogical to do so). The moment I start complaining is when I find a girl who only thinks about that, and they exist.

Actually one of the bigest turn off for me is the woman putting on tons of make-up so much so that they look like Sioux or Apaches on the war path - chasing  for men that is !!!

It actually scares me away - looks like they are so desperate to get a man to talk to them!! Worse part for them IMHO is how to face the guy the morning after at time to get out of bed - hate to think about the state of the pillow case too

best bet is be yourself!!

BaldFriede wrote: Sean Trane wrote: shyman wrote: Antennas wrote: For instance, I find it very strange to read that nearly all the guys over here want their ladies to be PRETTY, but at the same time they're complaining about women taking too much effort in their make-up, shopping, etc.! Sadly enough, a lot of us ladies do need a little touching-up now and then in order to look in any way 'pretty'... a fact of reality, I'm afraid. Quite some double standard, not? I actually don't complain about that (it is ilogical to do so). The moment I start complaining is when I find a girl who only thinks about that, and they exist. Actually one of the bigest turn off for me is the woman putting on tons of make-up so much so that they look like Sioux or Apaches on the war path - chasing  for men that is !!! Some make-up is nice, like the Ancient Egyptian style make-up for the eyes.

I actually updated my post to amend what might be too strong a statement: I have nothing against a bit of eyeliner or mascara, but tons of creams and cover-ups

SeanTrane wrote: I actually updated my post to amend what might be too strong a statement: I have nothing against a bit of eyeliner or mascara, but tons of creams and cover-ups

The same goes with me, and I think for most (reasonable) guys. Lots of makeup can lead to dissapointments afterwards.

This is because of a cultural matter, that's for sure. The acceptance of what you (as a female/male) have to do... or being happy with what you are given, it's quite stupid. I've always questioned this "standart-ish" society in which you have to find your space and fulfill have you are supposed to do according to your standart. This happens to progressive rock today. Women are not supposed to listen to this "strange", "boring", and hard to get into "genre of music", and so is society.

The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill.

Women in their particular situation is not supposed to get into this strange kind of music... is not that their don't have the capacities to understand and grasp it. The fact is that we (in a way) behave and act according to how we are raised, and our relationships along our life. Beyond that, let's see in this sense: How many people listen to progressive rock... and how many people are raised in that kind of families? and, How many women are raised in a progressive rock-listener "family"? (to put it in a way).

Besides, talking about nowadays. The fact is that there are few sources from we can get music in this respect, and there are little, if nothing, exposure to this music... so, how can present society be expose to this music and be interesed, and finally get it, in a society that the only think that really cares is the NOW, and where there are not more choices and TIME to really get into one thing and analize... about things about not their life. AND we have to be account that music (in society) is taken as a hobby and one of the leaves that fulfill the tree of entertainment.

Whoa! This thread keeps on getting more interesting!

Crimsoner wrote: The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill.

Though I may have a little problem with understanding you correctly (?), I think you have a very strong point here, Crimsoner. It's indeed media, marketing etc. that puts a huge strain on people not to follow them but follow their own ideas instead. This is why Prog Music will always be something for a minority of self-thinking people, who don't need Major Record Companies telling them what is 'good' music and what isn't.

And indeed, women are pushed in a different direction than men are. Be pretty, be a perfect housewife, get your kiddies (even if you think most of them are screeching monsters), don't *ever* complain about your situation, etc. - hardly any time and/or energy left for exploring interesting music when you have to cope with all of these of society's expectations...

And, hah, about make-up and stuff. It has always *puzzled* me why the telly keeps on telling us ladies we should stuff our faces with 'nurturing creams' and such. If I were a male, I wouldn't want to wake up beside a woman whose face and pillow is all sticky because of all of the rubbish she puts on her face at night  ... and for your information, [ biologist speaking here ] 'nurturing/revitaling/ cell rejuvinating creams' don't even exist. If they actually did what the advertisements tell you, they'd be carcinogenic... [ /biologist speaking here]

Exactly!. Furthermore, (and i'm being a little too extremist hehehe) everything goes beyond and falls into the dualist game of Women/Men and what is its own role in society. Sadly, today's men and women role is put within a buyer/living-in-a-rush/"thinkers">according-to-what-you-h ave-to-fulfill- society.And there's (of course) not time to imagination, analisys about things beyond our" own lives.. and that's joined with the fact that in today's world idleness is seing as a fault in which if you are doung "nothing", you are not PRODUCING, and f you are not producing... bla bla.

So, in the fianl point, i'd say that the actual society is quite a "Society of Producer and not self-thinkers" in which you just have to identify yourself with something... then you're done... AND society is happy.

Hierophant wrote: Crimsoner wrote: This is because of a cultural matter, that's for sure. The acceptance of what you (as a female/male) have to do... or being happy with what you are given, it's quite stupid. I've always questioned this "standart-ish" society in which you have to find your space and fulfill have you are supposed to do according to your standart. This happens to progressive rock today. Women are not supposed to listen to this "strange", "boring", and hard to get into "genre of music", and so is society. The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill. Women in their particular situation is not supposed to get into this strange kind of music... is not that their don't have the capacities to understand and grasp it. The fact is that we (in a way) behave and act according to how we are raised, and our relationships along our life. Beyond that, let's see in this sense: How many people listen to progressive rock... and how many people are raised in that kind of families? and, How many women are raised in a progressive rock-listener "family"? (to put it in a way). Besides, talking about nowadays. The fact is that there are few sources from we can get music in this respect, and there are little, if nothing, exposure to this music... so, how can present society be expose to this music and be interesed, and finally get it, in a society that the only think that really cares is the NOW, and where there are not more choices and TIME to really get into one thing and analize... about things about not their life. AND we have to be account that music (in society) is taken as a hobby and one of the leaves that fulfill the tree of entertainment. Although your english isn't great - I understand exactly what you are trying to say

Yep, I think I need more practice.

Morality: Turn off the TV. Thus, you're turning on your brain.

oliverstoned wrote: Morality: turn off the TV!

 the latest edition of "Idols" nearly prompted me to throw the bloody thing out of the window.

BaldFriede wrote: Sean Trane wrote: shyman wrote: Antennas wrote: For instance, I find it very strange to read that nearly all the guys over here want their ladies to be PRETTY, but at the same time they're complaining about women taking too much effort in their make-up, shopping, etc.! Sadly enough, a lot of us ladies do need a little touching-up now and then in order to look in any way 'pretty'... a fact of reality, I'm afraid. Quite some double standard, not? I actually don't complain about that (it is ilogical to do so). The moment I start complaining is when I find a girl who only thinks about that, and they exist. Actually one of the bigest turn off for me is the woman putting on tons of make-up so much so that they look like Sioux or Apaches on the war path - chasing  for men that is !!! It actually scares me away - looks like they are so desperate to get a man to talk to them!! Worse part for them IMHO is how to face the guy the morning after at time to get out of bed - hate to think about the state of the pillow case too best bet is be yourself!! As Udo Lindenberg sings in one song: "Normalerweise läuft das sehr gut, doch manchmal gibt es auch 'ne Pleite, dann wacht er morgens auf, und Lady Horror liegt an seiner Seite. Ihr Make-up ist verschmiert, und die Sonne scheint ihr brutal ins Gesicht, und dass ihm sowas immer noch passiert, das liegt am Suff und am dunklen Kneipenlicht." Translation: "Usually that works fine, but sometimes it goes down the drain. Then he awakes in the morning with Lady Horror lying by his side. Her make-up is smeared, and the sun is shining brutally into her face, and the reason this still happens to him is booze and the dim light in the pubs".

well, BF, have you read the lyrics on the accept's balls to the wall album? pretty amazing!

....or Paul Di'Anno's heart user?

To answer the question I think you need to find a book I found a few years ago called " What men know about women" its a book full of completely blank pages.

I don't know I think its the whole men are into rock becuase its quite macho and comes with the dream of being in a rock band and having loads of groupies. Not that women don't like rock I know plenty of girls who like rock and only one who likes prog rock (albeit prog-metal) by she is sadly engaged to one of my rock loving mates (he likes, prog, rock and metal)

ok, here's a true example:

whenever I try to get my girlfriend into prog she says: "turn it down"

I've tried very hard but I can't even convince her with soft Camel songs

she either finds it depressing or too complex... so don't expect to find a girlfriend which is perfect in everything

My boyfriend asks me to "turn it down!" every time I put up my regular dose of death metal

Hah hah. Perfection isn't really possible...

Women should listen to more prog

Sean Trane wrote: Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.

BaldJean wrote: you can't be expected to suddenly like the more complex structures of prog when you first listen to it at the age of 16; the synapses in your brain necessary for understanding and loving that kind of music just haven't been formed

Rising Force wrote: I started liking prog when I was 18......... And I used to listen to a lot of mainstream crap when I was younger.

Sean Trane wrote: Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are>

Sean Trane wrote: Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music...as linked with festivities and dancing

Which is essentially what AtLossForWords wrote, prior to Sean Trane's post:

AtLossForWords wrote: I think one of the reasons why women don't like prog is because it's not a gratuitous genre.  The showmanship isn't like that of pop bands or straight-up metal bands.  The focus is more on the music.  I think progressive music misses a lot of the non-musical components that women like.