Lateralus?!
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Topic: Lateralus?!
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Lateralus?!
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:24
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My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy. The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant. My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!! |
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:28
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If you don't like Lateralus, you won't like any other Tool album. You didn't say anything about the drums, though. EDIT: Actually you did - you said the drumming was sloppy. My bad. But then you didn't correct me, but instead went on to say the drummer was pretty good, as if you hadn't made the previous comment at all ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:29
| Actually, I thought the drummer was pretty good. I prefer jazz drummerst hough, to be honest. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:31
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The drummer also plays in a fusion band called Volto, I think. Anyway, Lateralus is generally considered Tool's best, so there you go. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:34
| Bah... humbug. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 08:36
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Well then listen to the other albums at your own risk. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
FuzzyDude wrote:Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 09:18
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Thats what basically came out of my mouth when I read your Topic post ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 09:21
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I think Jody The Progtologist should post his comments here
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 10:18
I agree, he'll give you the reasons as to why Tool are good/prog (take your pick) ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Agemo
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 13:51
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I find 'Ænema' their best album (and some great lyrics in Die eier von Satan) |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:14
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We are going to form a society against bands like Tool! (SABLT) (no offense intended to the tool fans!)Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:18
| i will pretend you didn't say anything about danny carey |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:47
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There was no need to start this second negative thread about Lateralus. Drumming was sloppy in 1st post then pretty good in the second!Make your mind up dude! If you want to hear Maynard sing vocal melodies,listen to "The 13th Step" by A Perfect Circle his other band.You'd think it was a different singer. The lyrics in Die eier von satan are hilarious. |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 14:57
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My driving instructor burned me a copy of Lateralus a couple years
ago. I listened to it a couple times. It sounded pretty
good to me. I should revisit it...
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Posted By: mars VOLt
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 16:06
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One of the best album i've heard in my entire life. long life tool, can't wait for the next album ------------- set the control in the heart of the sun |
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 16:25
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Tool music, at best, is below average in my opinion. I can't really say I consider them a prog band either. Some people might say the same about Rush, but Rush music is by far better than anything Tool has ever done.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:04
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:08
First off your not gonna understand lateralus as well without knowledge of the other albums, second of all the things that bothered you about the album just seem to not make much sense. DRUMMING SLOPPY- get your ears checked |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:30
Oh, come on. I don't like Tool at all, but that's just ridiculous. At least give credit where credit is due. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:31
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Let me ask you a question.... Which PROG (not jazz) band's drumming do u think is good. Cause Danny is one of the best in prog metal (if you consider them prog metal anyway). Tool to me was never about trying to be progressive.... Never liked them cause of their melodies or time signatures, never considered maynard to be a god, I just love them cause they are doing something completely different from anything I've listened so far. I think that they sound quite original... I would say that it may be dificult for someone who was 10 years old on 73' to like tool. Like my grandfather who when he listens to pink floyd he says "these guys are just making noise, turn it off". I guess you wont like bands like meshuggah, opeth or ephel duath but thats the way it is. I surely wont enjoy listening to artists who will come out in 40 years time but this wont mean they are crap.... Its interesting to see why sooooo many people are tool-haters. They seem to be a band which you either hate or love. PS. Sorry for my poor english ------------- 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:56
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:27
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^^^ eyxaristw re sympatriwth giati m' exoun trelanei me to misos tous gi ayth th bada..... -------------
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:35
The only thing I can remotely agree with you is the lyrics- I can't STAND their lyrics- but to say the drumming is sloppy- and the singing is bad?  ------------- |
Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:39
I am very sorry to hear the news. Please accept my condolences. ------------- "A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:45
| I see where you're coming from. I personally find Lateralus to be unenergetic and dull. When I want to listen to metal, I need something with more balls. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:47
No. Besides Tool,Danny Carey plays in a hardcore/punk band called Pigmy Love Circus,has a project coming out soon called Zaum that will utilize his beloved electronic drums and vintage drum synthesizers,and does some drum work on Adrian Belew's Side One and Side Three solo albums. -------------  |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:52
and when can I buy this???!?!?!?!?! ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:52
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I agree.Danny Carey is one of the most accomplished,technical drummers playing today,and to call his drumming sloppy shows just how little about music the poster actually knows. ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 19:00
Zaum hasn't released anything yet,but should this year. ------------- |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 19:01
^Sounds great ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:29
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I think Tool is a great band. Adam Jones may not be like any other guitar player, but he is the creative mind behind the guitar riffs and the music videos of the band. ------------- KEEP THE PROMISE YOU MADE |
Posted By: kingofbizzare
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:39
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I heard Lateralus was good, so I put a hold on it at my library. It just came today. I kinda like it, but it's one of those things I can tell is going to grow on me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingofbizzare/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:40
| Tool is definitely one of the most boring things I've ever experienced. |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:48
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:48
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I am still confused and astonished they are even here.......... I (fortunatley) borrowed 'Lateralus', the cover is amazing, the music totally did not live up to it. I don't think it is remotely prog and any shape or form. The guys can play, I did hear that. However, I don't know why they are included here, but I feel that about many bands on this site; like Radiohead, Muse etc.. Should be a warning on reviews saying: IF YOU LIKE TRADITIONAL PROGRESSIVE ROCK, AVOID THIS WITH A VERY LARGE OAR But, hey, we are entitled to our opinion. Maybe we should tell those muslims burning Danish flags that eh?
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Posted By: Toob-Wurm
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 20:58
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I tend to stay away from the term "Prog" altogether. It just puts peoples' minds in a box. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:00
| Lateralus: Incomparable piece of art metal. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:04
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I told you Tool was crap lol. The drummer should leave and play in a better band |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:28
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hmmm... nothing to add here that I haven't said at least 7 or 9 other times in ALL the other Tool hate threads. The only thing I can tell you is never judge an album by a first listen. and shame on you for saying bad things about Danny Carey.  You may not like the music, but making that judgement about his technical ability is just wrong.have a nice day.  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:31
I have given up trying to explain Tool to people that obviously can't stand them. Either people like them or they don't.As you all know I happen to like them.ALOT. If you don't like them,fine with me. ------------- |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:31
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But there are a couple of good songs. |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:32
Let me in! Let me in!!!! -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:33
True. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:36
OFFENSE TAKEN. You all go bury your heads in the sand and pretend like it's the 70's and Yes and Genesis are still making good music. There is a ton of good new prog out there that you are missing out on. There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. ------------- |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:40
Yes there is, lol. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:41
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Yeah,child molesters and rapists. ------------- |
Posted By: D.Noisserger
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:52
Exactly ------------- [IMG]http://www.painofsalvation.com/news/images/a-collage-change.jpg"> |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:57
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. [/QUOTE]Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like some modern bands. -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:16
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I love the album, but it has a bit of nostalgia value for me since it came out when I was in college playing in a prog band of my own, and we covered some Tool songs. I reccomend at least listening to Parabol/Parabola again and you'll see why they shouldn't be dismissed. I think that song has some good lyrics that are actually quite hopeful and uplifting in its own way (somewhat different for Tool's typical lyrical topics). It also has a great climax at the end. Yes, they're not as melodically complex or emotionally powerful and diverse as say, Genesis, but I think they do share some of the twisted sense of humor and have a similar atmosphere. And definitely have a powerful rhythm section, very much reminiscent of King Crimson. Also, Maynard's voice is excellent. Definitely one of the best vocalists of our generation, and has a signature sound of this era that is often copied, but rarely ever equaled. |
Posted By: mr.prog
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:48
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i think you should re-evaluate this post and return with a better response. Talk to your son and maybe he'll help you understand how good this album is.(it truly is) He obviously enjoys the music. Maybe you should be more acceptive of what MAYNARD has to say. For how the drumming goes, you shouldnt even begin to judge. Do some research, you'll find a little more depth into their approach for the album. ------------- lost track of time! |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:01
Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like some modern bands. [/QUOTE] shall i modify. for me: Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like tons of modern bands. actually, if there is only one PA member here that used to love Tool, and, after my advice, do not like it anymore, then this member will make the happiest day of my prog life! the energy lost for Tool would lead to an energy found for better bands...that's my opinion. the Progtologist is a ProgTOOLogist
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:00
shall i modify. for me: Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like tons of modern bands. actually, if there is only one PA member here
that used to love Tool, and, after my advice, do not like it anymore,
then this member will make the happiest day of my prog life! the energy lost for Tool would lead to an energy found for better bands...that's my opinion. the Progtologist is a ProgTOOLogist [/QUOTE] Isn't that a bit insulting? I sure hope you didn't mean for it to come off that way cause that's a little out of line. You shouldn't insult members for having different tastes than you.... I don't know, maybe I'm the only one that takes this statement to be offensive, not towards me, but towards a certain forum member I have respect for.... ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:12
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Don't worry about it Zac,I was a little antagonistic in my posts and probably deserved that. I just get tired of people putting down ANY band just because they are unique,different and push the boundaries on what other people think progressive music should be. Being a fan of metal and progressive metal I am used to that.There is just a group of people on this site who have very narrow definitions on what they think prog should be and heaven help anyone who doesn't play their music according to those defintions. Sorry Greenback,didn't mean to lump you in with those people.That was just the impression I got.
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:19
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I'm one of those who was pleasantly surprised by Aenima, but quite
disappointed by Lateralus, not because it was bad per se, but because
it didn't move on enough for me ... I do think that Danny Carey is one of the best drummers to emerge over the last decade or so though, and his playing is often the highlight of Tool IMO .. ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer. "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 04:18
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The Progtologist - Danny Carey does play (or did play) in a band called Volto: http://www.myspace.com/volto - http://www.myspace.com/volto And no need to get upset over the 'sloppy drumming' accusation, even the seemingly objective aspects of instrument playing tend to be subjective. Example - I once heard that Peter Erskine played without 'feeling' Oh, and Greenback - you're an idiot, but hey, no offence intended.
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Posted By: krzys
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:00
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tool is a band of geniuses, a phenomenon not suitable for theoretical analysis. this is art, don't talk about it, but become it. narrowmindedness has always disturbed deep art reception, so does having expectations towards music.
aaaah, nevermind, if you don't like it, just listen to your ordinary DT. ------------- start with one step |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:13
| I like careys drumming, but I can't stand maynards singing. Pretty sh*t band really, I've heard 4 albums and I only thought there were about 4 strong songs from start to finish. I'm surprised that fans of old prog can actually listen to tool and say they are cool. But there are no great rock bands today anyway from what I've heard so far. Opeth are good occasionally. Niacin are cool fusion. I still need to check other bands out though |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:39
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:42
Bold words for someone with a Rising Force avatar 
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:21
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:39
That Avatar is the album Odyssey which is excellent throughout! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:42
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Yeah but his nickname is rising force.... Oh and IMHO Lateralus is excellent throughout too -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:44
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But Goose mentioned the Avatar, so my comment is directed at him! As for Tool...I don't hate them.....i THINK THEY ARE oK. I've listened to Laterelus sebveral times, I'm just not sure about it. Its alright. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:57
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Tool is good enough to considered one the best prog bands of decade and half. I like tool, and they are 'sans doute' very good band. The thing is that you cant compare tool with other prog bands of 70's. If you try to do so you will hate them. The quality of bands like Yes, Gentle giant, banco del mutuo soccorso etce is past, period.
That is my opinion. Lateralus is a fantastic album. If someone doesnt like this album doesnt like tool. Sorry for my english ------------- 
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:52
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I'd rather say Tool is a lot of fun to listen to, but whatever floats your boat... Seriously though, please tone it down a bit, I respect your admiration for Tool ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 11:31
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Since when has genius not been subject to theoretical analysis?
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 12:06
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 12:12
i hate that this term can be used...and it actually makes sense
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does anyone else see a contradiction??Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 12:36
| What exactly is tradtional progressive rock? I will never understand the constant battle of people over 30 or 40 on this website who cringe and dispise most "modern progressive rock", if that term should even be used. Progressive is about moving foward, if all the bands around today copied all of the classic prog of the 60's/70's then we would have Neo-prog(the worst genre of progressive music). I would like to think that the people who were part of these great bands would hate to listen to something that sounds exactly like Genesis or Yes AGAIN! How many times can these bands try to completely copy the sounds of Peter Gabriel of David Gilmour? Maybe that is why progressive rock is dying?! I love all kinds of music, especially progressive rock, but I hope that the majority of the readers on this website would agree that the word progressive is about progressing and about moving away from the mainstream and creating NEW ideas, not rehashing clever ideas that made the classic bands such as Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Camel so amazing! Bands like THe Mars Volta, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Radiohead, Mum, GPYBE and of course TOOL push the bar foward and are helping to bring back a completely DEAD genre of music! Support these bands, because without them, progressive rock will surely die forever. |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 13:01
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You first say that progressive is about progressing and not copying what has been done and then you say that bands like those you mentioned are trying to bring back a dead genre. IMO progressive if you define it as progression in music never died. Its just that nowadays we dont have as many good bands as in the 70's for example -------------
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 13:25
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i think it is time to get out of this thread because i waste my time here! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 13:42
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Yeah, I don't think that progressive music is dead at all. Some of the stereotypical newer prog bands on this site lack any progressive quality. That's not to say that the band is bad. Not at all. Nor does it mean that just because a band is progressive they are good. What we have now are bands that claim to be progressive on the basis that they are "in the style of older progressive rock bands." Are they really progressive? Well, no because no musical progress has been gained by modeling already accomplished styles. But that's what happens when you tightly define a genre as something that evolves. Musical genre is classification and as such forms restrictions whereas the only requirement on progressive music is that it not obey restrictions! btw, if you think progressive music is dead, check out the IDM/drum and bass scene.
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Posted By: ChadFromCanada
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 13:45
| Lateralus is fine by me. It can get a bit repetitive, and I've probably listened to it too much to want to anymore. It was good when I first started listening to it though, for sure. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 13:55
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 14:28
Are you kidding me? Besides: Seeing you use the Tyranny album art as an avatar is really confusing. Is there any logic in which prog metal bands you love, and which ones you despise? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 15:21
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The worst thing here is people saying that someone that doesn't like a
band is close-minded, idiot, etc, and try to explain the
"progressiveness" of a band. I don't like a genre, I like the music. I didn't like Lateralus, doesn't matter how progressive and fantastic you say they are. I listened to the album and disliked. Doesn't matter what you say, I will not start loving the album because I have read here that Tool is fantastic. Cut off this. I don't need anyone to recognize the bands I like progressive or not. The way you say the things maybe make people don't want even to listen to Tool, because they will think that people who like Tool despise people who don't like it, and they will become angered and start hating Tool without listening to it. |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 15:52
Indeed it is. As are the rest of the 80s Yngwie albums. Goose: At least Yngwie is more innovative and is more awesome than Tool.
Most of the albums which Malmsteen released under the name Rising Force are good, if not, great. The self entitled debut is the best, most brilliant rock guitar album ever made, IMO. |
Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:03
Or maybe Tool are just plain crap? |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:14
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Do me a favor.... Listen to Opiate and then listen to Lateralus..... -------------
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:31
I guess he's doing something new; most people working with Classical music actually learn something about it first
to name two I'd take over it any day. In my opinion, of course
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:31
 Yeah, sure...talk to your doctor, maybe he can lower the dosage on the script for ya... All rude sarcasm aside though, are you kidding me?? I mean, Malmsteen may be a great technician on his instrument, but innovative? All of his stuff sounds like warmed over Bach blasted though a Marshall stack, and every album I have heard (only 3 to be honest, though) sounds identical. Like Tool or not, I think very few would argue (some still may) that they have carved out a niche for themselves in modern progressive rock by cultivating a very original and innovative philosophy towards their music. You may argue that many bands sound like Tool (I would not disagree), but realize that they all came after the fact. Again, it all comes down to personal taste, but for my money, finely crafted haunting and innovative heavy music will always win out over hair farmer guitar gymnastics. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: DualXP
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:45
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sloppy drumming would be a good way to describe the drumming if your mind was too simple to comprehend the VERY complex polyrthyms. |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:46
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[/QUOTE] I couldn't agree more,well said. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:47
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^ agreed. Carey's playing is many things, but NOT sloppy. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 17:49
Yngwie spawned a genre, and Tool did not, as far as I'm aware of. That is what I meant by Yngwie is more innovative. Tool did not change the face of rock guitar or have the influence on rock like Yngwie did. Blackmore and Rhoads laid the foundation for neo classical metal, but Yngwie kick started the genre. Yngwie took the world by storm with his debut, then came all these followers, like MacAlpine, Moore, Becker, Friedman, Gilbert, Romeo, etc. All of a sudden there are tons of guitar virtuosos to emerge after the wake of Yngwie. I think you're the one that needs help if you don't realize this. |
Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:23
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I love Lateralus, Tool is a great band... and I love Y. Malmsteen too, Odessy is an excelent album IMHO ------------- Most listened albums last week 
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:47
Well thats just to absolute for me.I can honestly say with no remorse that you are wrong!! |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:59
These are just three of the posts in this thread that really piss me off. This thread is full of people who on both sides are closeminded, quick to jump to conclusions, are posting maliciously, all sorts of stuff. I think it's time for me to get out of this forum period and just post reviews. There are too many purists, too many people declaring their opinion like it matters to the whole damn forum (and the people who take it seriously and fight back), too many people stuck in the past, too many people who just need to get out more. I have over 7000 posts at IGN boards, and I'm still not sick of the place. To have less than 100 or whatever I'm at here and to already hate the place is truly a testament to how moronic some of you are with your opinions. An opinion can't be wrong...it can be discussed, it can be discounted for if it's stupid enough, but it can't be wrong. There's a reason prog is ridiculed, a reason prog died out in the 80s...the general sense of superiority and the way some of you disparage other users constantly here is ridiculous. So see you later. God bless you people who don't ONLY appreciate tr00 pure prog rock, but simply have a love for music. I know many of you won't care about this post or anything...it'll probably be ignored. But it feels good to vent a bit before I leave. So if anything, that's what this post is. Oh, before I go, greenback, if you read this, you're a a complete dumbass. Just so you know. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: cold103
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:31
| Lateralus is great and Danny is my favorite drummer. |
Posted By: Lord Qwerty
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:40
| I believe their drummer and bassist are very talented. Everyone else I find terribly dull and narcissistic. I believe their rhythm section should leave and form their own fusion band. It would be a pleasure to hear how they would sound without such uninspiring leadership. |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 20:55
| FishyMonkey: Rock on. |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:03
Ok sorry this may sound stupid but I didn't even know my avatar was an album art from Tyranny. I found this painting on the internet and thought it looked nice -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:11
| I apologize for the term 'TRADITIONAL PROGRESSIVE ROCK'. I was merely referring to the 'type of music' that makes up the top ten at this site. I think many people looking for that sort of stuff (Genesis, Yes, Floyd and their modern versions) will find little with Tool that bares comparison. That is ALL i meant. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:24
who cares? ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:42
He was commenting on Greenback's avy not yours...no worries my friend... ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 21:49
Too late, I already changed my avatar . Thanks anyway-------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 22:07
Some people never learn....  ------------- 
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 09:26
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My brother is more mature than you and he's something like 8 years old.... -------------
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 11:02
God... watching stuff like this makes me just sick and leave the damn forum for some time... Kinda feel like FishyMonkey... If this was Ye last post, then no better way to leave the stage!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 09:16
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I really like Lateralus and I can understand that many find it boring,
but that's no reason to insult anyone here, that's simply retarded to
call somebody dumbass or something like that just because this person
has another opinion.
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