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Topic: The Mars Volta
Posted By: óżOldóżHenóż
Subject: The Mars Volta
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:11

I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P

Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.

Anyone else like them?

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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:17

I kinda like them, to me they sound like a cross between early Floyd and late King Crimson.

Which is very cool!

 



Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:18
The first few tracks on Frances the Mute? There are only 5 songs on the
album (while Cassandra makes about the final 7 tracks 5-12.) I'm not sure if
I would compare them to early Floyd but they are absolutely progressive and
innovative. A lot of their extended jams (especially live) remind me of King
Crimson (the belew and wetton era.)

EDIT: The more I think of it the more I see the early Floyd comparison. Just
never thought of it before.

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:21
frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.


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Posted By: óżOldóżHenóż
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:27

yes, def early Floyd :)

Awww .. nice to see you edited your thread, Fragile :)

nice pic of Syd in your sig :)

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:28
If you like that, you should definitely get their first release, "De-loused in the Comatorium".  The more I listen to the two albums, the more I find the first to be much superior to the second.  I really liked what I can only describe as "structured chaos" on De-loused, whereas on FTM there's not as much as structure, much more free-form and ambient...but I realize that people might prefer that approach.

Brilliant band, though. 


Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:31
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really
know what theyre
doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a
ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound
eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.



Yeah you're right they sound way too much like King Crimson and Santana.
In fact I think Frances the Mute is the exact same album as Lark's Tongues. I
can't even tell the differences.

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Posted By: óżOldóżHenóż
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:33

Yeah :) A girl I know loves them, she let me have the album. I got her into Floyd :P

And now I'm going to see the Australian Pink Floyd when her next month :D heeeeheeeeh.

That's the trouble these days, Fragile. Bands rip off the old bands.



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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:34
The Mars Volta is only the best modern prog band. 


Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:34
Oh, you mean the best band of these resent years ?

Yeah. I heard of them


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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:49
Originally posted by óżOldóżHenóż óżOldóżHenóż wrote:

Yeah :) A girl I know
loves them, she let me have the album. I got her into Floyd :P


And now I'm going to see the Australian Pink
Floyd when her next month :D heeeeheeeeh.


That's the trouble these days, Fragile. Bands rip
off the old bands.


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Don't worry I was only being sarcastic. When people disregard the
Mars Volta because they sound too similar to an old prog band I think it's
ridicules. They are absolutely original and Frances the Mute (though
influenced by Larks Tongue's and King Crimson) sounds nothing like it.

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Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:04
Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

The Mars Volta is only the best modern prog band. 


you need to get out more


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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:07

Wow i thought i was the only girl in the world that listened to the mars volta



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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:10
De-Loused and Frances the Mute are brilliant, IMO. One of the most exciting new prog bands today. 


Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:12
My sister and brother love The Mars Volta.... hmmm... maybe I should start listening to this band.


Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:18

The Mars Volta are one of the most innovative and creative groups of the current time. One of my favorite bands.

Most people don't even give them a chance.



Posted By: Karn Evil 9
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:18

I just heard them yesterday. I had my friend burn me a copy of both their cds. Since ive only heard the albums once, i can make any favorites, but i really like them. Especially the vocal synthesizers.

I can see how people say that they copy off of Larks Tongues in Aspic with the guitars, but its kind of stupid to say that using a similar effect on the guitar is copying.

 

But anyway, after hearing them, they became my favorite prog metal band (im not a huge metal fan)



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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:20
well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork

THE MARS VOLTA IS NOT METAL I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS


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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:23

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork

THE MARS VOLTA IS NOT METAL I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS

I agree. With the really really big part, I mean. But we could not yell, as well.



Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:24

They're my favorite band.  The guitarwork on FTM is a lot more erratic than Lark's tounge, at least to my ears.

They also have one of, if not the most talented drummers working with them, who goes by the name Jon Theodore.  



Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:25
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork



I've heard Buckethead, Larry of Primus, and countless other guitarists use the same type of atonal lines.

So what?

If you're saying The Mars Volta is a "ripoff", simply because they have easily recognizable influences, I guess that makes about half the bands on this site ripoffs.


Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:26
no the exact notes played

listen to it


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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:31
I don't have it here.

Even if it is note for note, so what?

I look at that as a "tip of the hat" to their influences. Does it immediately invalidate the rest of the album?




Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:31
yes

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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:33
OK, throw out all of your Zeppelin, Cream, etc. albums then.

Lots of them "quote" traditional blues songs.

Note for note.


Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:36
I'm positive that King Crimson used exactly the same note, in the same register that Mozart wrote once. What scoundrels!


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:43
^ You beat me to it! 


Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:45
the mars volta are a bunch of punks who dont know theory jumping around and using too much ambience and fake frippertronics

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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:47
Good rejoinder.


Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:51
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

the mars volta are a bunch of punks who dont know theory jumping around and using too much ambience and fake frippertronics

You know, you're not helping this thread in any way possible. :-|


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:55

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16884&KW=Rashikal - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16884& amp;KW=Rashikal

Something to jog your memory, Rashikal. Re-read your posts from this thread, especially the fourth one.

If you're being honest now, then that's quite a U-turn you've done within the last month or so. Such drastic changes in opinion may be a good show, drama and all, but they're unhealthy IMO.    



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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:56
stalker!

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:01

 will a self-imposed one post distance restraining order help you regain inner balance, Rashikal?



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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:11
30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"


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Posted By: anael
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:12

Pink Floyd and The Mars Volta are my fav bands.
If you like TMV, give a try to At The Drive-In (pre-TMV) or Omar Rodriguez-Lopez new album, excellent one , and some guys says that Hot Hot Heats sounds similar to TMV...not so much but good band anyway



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Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:14
 
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork



It doesn't like Fripp works first and the guitars from Mars volta are much more influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra without sounding like them!!


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:15
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"


If you think Syd Barrett never took that approach, you're fooling yourself.


Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:15
have you heard the two songs?

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:16
syd barrett had other redeeming qualaties

as in he wasnt some bisexual punk

he was an asexual drug addict recluse

thats much better


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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:18

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"

30 days from saying that you love TMV to throwing it into the trashcan together with DT? Weren't you just trying to make a spectacular entrance for your Magma/Can topic

Omar's quote... whatever. I kinda suspected TMV were winging it at least somewhat, and it doesn't change my opinion of them... they're a wonderful catastrophe, with the emphasis definitely on the word 'wonderful' here. Freaking great band, despite, or maybe even because of their flaws to a certain extent.

 

 



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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:19
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

have you heard the two songs?


Yes, but not back to back. I might check it out, I might not. It's really of no consequence to me. Even if that _one_ passage is note for note identical, it's not going to lead me to the conclusion that TMV is worthless.


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:21
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

syd barrett had other redeeming qualaties

as in he wasnt some bisexual punk

he was an asexual drug addict recluse

thats much better


Sounds reasonable


Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:21

Haha. I wouldn't call him asexual; around half of his solo songs are love songs (albeit almost painfully innocent ones).

I borrowed FTM from the library once. Some parts were good, but there was too much random noise and too much extended brass senction sem-freakout sections. If they had edited it down to around 45 minutes I would probably have liked it a lot.

Oh yeah, the lyrics sucked. That ruined it too.



Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:31
he has quite the ladie's man in his early days but ever since he stopped recording music there are no documents (that i have seen) of him even speaking to anyone besides him immediate family. i was kidding when i said he was asexual


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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:38
I freakin Think they are Amazing....One of the best Jam bands around right now too.


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:43
TMV are brilliant, their creativaty out-strips many of their contempories and they are seasond musicians, so even if they dont know exactly what it is they are doing(in music theory terms at least), they do know what sounds there after and they know how to get them.

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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:03
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

If you like that, you should definitely get their first release, "De-loused in the Comatorium".  The more I listen to the two albums, the more I find the first to be much superior to the second.  I really liked what I can only describe as "structured chaos" on De-loused, whereas on FTM there's not as much as structure, much more free-form and ambient...but I realize that people might prefer that approach.

Brilliant band, though. 
I totally agree with your analysis. I discovered Frances first and was impressed. Then, much moree recently, I could listen to Deloused. The latter is uncomparably far far better. No fillers, no unnecessary noise. Probably the best progressive album since Red.

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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:05

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

The Mars Volta is only the best modern prog band. 


you need to get out more

No, that is correct.



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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:08
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"

30 days from saying that you love TMV to throwing it into the trashcan together with DT? Weren't you just trying to make a spectacular entrance for your Magma/Can topic

Yea, what's with that?



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Posted By: óżOldóżHenóż
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:09

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

syd barrett had other redeeming qualaties

as in he wasnt some bisexual punk

he was an asexual drug addict recluse

thats much better

 

He was also very gorgeous-looking :) and schweet.

I know where syd barrett lives ...

I love that song :)

 



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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:44
I LOVE THE MARS VOLTA~!!!

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:59
I love them too

Best way to express - writing the http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=72505 - longest FTM review eve r


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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:53

If you like TMV's albums,try to see them live.There freeform jam style live will blow you away.Truly awesome.I couldn't believe how small Omar is,but his Santanaesque latin guitar sound was brilliant.

Great band.



Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:57
Originally posted by óżOldóżHenóż óżOldóżHenóż wrote:

I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P

Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.

Anyone else like them?

x

The singing turns me off, but the instrumental parts are awesome.



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:59
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Originally posted by óżOldóżHenóż óżOldóżHenóż wrote:

I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P

Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.

Anyone else like them?

x

The singing turns me off, but the instrumental parts are awesome.





Did you hear anything else than that song I sent you? I think Cedric's voice really fits in....
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:02
At first I didn't know what to make of Cedric's singing but after seeing them live he has a fantastic voice.His vocal range is unbelievable.He gets very animated on stage and throws his mic stand around.Reminded me of Roger Daltry.


Posted By: thegenuinemoz
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:42
They're one of only two modern prog bands I like, the other one being Tool. Most rock bands these days try and either sound like each other, or sound like older bands (as in the current trend for sounding retro in the indie scene), so thank God there's some bands out there who actually do their own thing. A lot of people seem hung up on the fact they used to play more punky music- who cares? Also, who cares if Omar knows music theory or not? Doesn't stop him writing and playing some awesome music- a lot of brilliant musicians don't reallu know any theory and write amazing music. If there are any old proggers who think there are no decent prog bands around these days, I've highly recommend checking The Mars Volta out.


Posted By: Space Chief
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:58

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Oh, you mean the best band of these resent years ?


Well, second best, after Sigur Ros.

 



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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:03
Well, I love De-loused in the Comatarium, and can't wait to hear Frances the Mute.  I just really like everything about these guys.

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Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:43
They're amazing, and I love them. Frances the Mute is a fantastic album, but I was absolutely blown away by De-Loused. Very good music.


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Posted By: Matt Dickens
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:27
Excellent band. Omar may not be John Petrucci or any other crazy shredder but hes about 10 billion times more interesting for me to listen to. TMW are one of the few bands who actually play what they FEEL like playing instead of what notes or chords or time signatures should theoretically work well in counteraction to the previous ones. They may be hard to grasp but they should not be hard to appreciate or respect. and In my honest opinion they deserve about as much respect as anyone does these days.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:34

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

The Mars Volta is only the best modern prog band. 



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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 01:03

Why the long face? That is somehow right. Ultimately every freakin conventional band sounds like each other (the killers and all that crap). The only two new bands I like are supergroups: Audioslave and Velvet Revolver, but they are not "new" because these guys are veterans already. I was weeping and complaining about music not being cool anymore, taking shelter in past decades(70's and 90's mainly) until I heard these guys. Along with Muse, they revived my thrill and thirst for new and fresh music, although Muse is not that new.

Even though I do not own any of Volta's albums YET, I can easily say they have an authentic style and unique talent, specially those crazy guitars of Omar Rodriguez and High pitch voice Cedric. They mixed prog and punk and post rock, hell who cares about genres? Listening to them is enough!

So not only they are the best of new music they can easily reach the levels of the prog grands in a few years. With that talent and creativity it should be easy...



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Posted By: Igha
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 13:14
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

If you like that, you should definitely get their first release, "De-loused in the Comatorium".  The more I listen to the two albums, the more I find the first to be much superior to the second.  I really liked what I can only describe as "structured chaos" on De-loused, whereas on FTM there's not as much as structure, much more free-form and ambient...but I realize that people might prefer that approach.

Brilliant band, though. 


I totally agree. I believe that Frances The Mute has very good moments, but too many experimental nosie filling the tracks (Example: the first minutes of Miranda)
Anyway, a great great band, one of the best from this days and with a real progressive attitude.


Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:38
False prog,


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:12
Mars volta is my favorite modern progband togheter with Tool. 

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Posted By: Ilnord
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:17
I'm glad many people consider TMV as some of the very best prog music these days. Cause it happens often that if a band become more famous in the mainstream people start saying they have sold out or people start disliking their fame :). They might be just too good hehe


Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:38

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.

 

Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.

I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows.



Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 18:00
Okay, so you don't like them. . . why do you have to innsult the people who do?

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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 14:50
The Mars Volta is alright... it's got atmosphere, which is something a lot of music lacks.

But I attribute this influence to their At the Drive-In days. Whenever I hear people talk about TMV I can't help but bring up ATDI and suggest they buy a copy of Relationship of Command or In/Casino/Out. ATDI was, in my opinion, lightyears ahead of TMV for the simple fact that ATDI had energy and didn't have to hide behind sound effects and other gimmicks.

TMV's first release was mindblowing -- I liked that EP a LOT. Then there was De-Loused --- even better.

But then they started doing live tours --- they can't play live worth crap. Take the mediocre guitarist from ATDI with the bad singer, take away the caution and care they used in ATDI to sound precise, and throw them into late-60s Pink Floyd jam sessions. That's a Mars Volta concert. Nothing special really.


They need to make another De-Loused to make up for the (at times) over-exerted and self-indulgent Frances the Mute.


Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 15:46
Originally posted by óżOldóżHenóż óżOldóżHenóż wrote:

I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P

Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.

Anyone else like them?

x

 

I like the Mars Volta a lot, but to compare their new album Frances the Mute to early Pink Floyd (Meddle, More, Atom herat Mother, Obscured by Clouds, ect..) is a bit misleading.  TMV is too unique to accurately categorize.  I like the album thought, De-loused in Comatorium isnt bad either



Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 16:30
Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.

 

Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.

I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows.



THANK YOU. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Porcupine Tree has been making more innovative and creative music since 1988.

I really wish ATDI had stayed together.

And to compare Pink Floyd and The Mars Volta is just disgracing Pink Floyd.
The Floyd was a different era entirely; it was a big dark scary world, it was a time of broken post-Cold War dreams and government conspiracies.

So far, TMV has yet to write their own story like Pink Floyd did with DSoTM or WYWH.

I hope Cedric and Omar know what they're doing --- if they continue in the direction Frances the Mute went, they're going to be setting prog BACK.


Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:25
C'mon. It's not that bad.

IMO is a masterpiece.


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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:40

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?



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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:44
Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.



that pretty much sums it up


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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:50
Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?



But they are holding the torch for the entire future of prog, don't you GET IT???!!?!?




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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:01
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?



But they are holding the torch for the entire future of prog, don't you GET IT???!!?!?




No they aren't. If anything, Muse is.


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:03
You seem to have entirely missed my sarcasm. 

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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:12

Deep frozen Deep phreeze said

"TMV's first release was mindblowing -- I liked that EP a LOT. Then there was De-Loused --- even better.

But then they started doing live tours --- they can't play live worth crap. Take the mediocre guitarist from ATDI with the bad singer, take away the caution and care they used in ATDI to sound precise, and throw them into late-60s Pink Floyd jam sessions. That's a Mars Volta concert. Nothing special really."

which means i have contradicted that post in mine above this. I am shocked at that but then again in the show i saw there were about 2000 supplicants who raised the roof in awe whilst there were 20 or so disgruntled concert goers who left during the long Cassandra Gemmini.

After speaking to fans before and after it was clear that there were different types of fans at the concert.

1.  At the Drive in Fans, Of course with no ATDI to listen to then TMV is the next best thing. For some it was an easy transition but for others they could not adjust to the fact that ATDI no longer exist, and were resentful. (i felt similar when i saw Trevor Horn replace Anderson in Yes, but eventually got over it)

2. Alternative radio listeners who were aware of ATDI and/or had heard the two (that were in rotation to support the tour) Mars Volta singles on the radio. While most were awestruck it was obvious during the longer sections that they were not used to this. The whole audience stood in a seated venue and during the quiet sections they still stood and only fatigue sent them to their seats only for them to jump up the moment the pace changed, Youngsters certainly lack patience.

What alternative band would you see seated? For my part i yearned to sit because TMV are a headphone band, one where you can sit back and take it all in (Like Yes, Sigur Ros etc).

3. Alternative listeners who had heard a little prog and were tentatively open to being  converted. I stood next to a group in the bar who had heard of Pink Floyd from their dads collection or from FM radio etc. They had not heard of the bands on this site. They were very keen to find out more. Obviously TMV are a gateway band into prog.

4 Prog lovers like myself who let it be said were in the minority.

maybe there other sub groups but really TMV are unusual in prog because they have brought a ready made audience with them from ATDI days. Some are happy and others are disgruntled.

Others like me who have come fromthe prog angle are very happy to see such a new and eciting marriage of alternative punkish sounds with traditional prog moods.

Then of course there are the prog diehards who refuse to accept this bratish set of upstarts.

Add your own take on this



 



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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:23
Sorry , see post above.

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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:19
I find Mars volta to be a sub-par band. As a matter of fact I find that The Mars Volta is really just Emo music that has been souped up with annoying electronics, obnoxiously fast riffs that have no real theoretical basis, and an attempt at complex composition ending in cacophonous, out of place, and awkward movements from one part of the song to the next. Their scene/audience also seems to be a bunch of Elitists who really don't know much about music or its theory.
 
A lot of people I've met that are Volta fans seem to try to make themselves look like they are educated at music theory, when in reality they are mostly simple-minded and couldnt appreciate music such as Henry Cow or Slapp Happy, whose passages have conceptual meaning and (while not always ear pleasing) blend together very cohesively, a staple of their talent and chemistry as musicians.
 
 
 


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:32
They Are Not Progressive.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:34
Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

They Are Not Progressive.


O rly?Disapprove

It was worth reviving this thread to say something this ignorant.


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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:37
Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

They Are Not Progressive.


How so?


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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:39
Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

They Are Not Progressive.
Are too. I can't say I like them all that much, (some parts opf FTM are very good, but then they are ruined by repetition. You only need to listen to the first verse and the chorus of the first 4 songs.) but Cassandra Gemini is most definately prog. It's also the best song on the album, as it has the highest goodness to crap ratio. (only track 9 is boring and unlistenable; the rest is either good or excellent.)
 
Necro-posting is lame. And you don't want to be lame. Because, duh, it's lame to be lame. :)


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Posted By: Lex C
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:03
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

I find Mars volta to be a sub-par band. As a matter of fact I find that The Mars Volta is really just Emo music that has been souped up with annoying electronics, obnoxiously fast riffs that have no real theoretical basis, and an attempt at complex composition ending in cacophonous, out of place, and awkward movements from one part of the song to the next. Their scene/audience also seems to be a bunch of Elitists who really don't know much about music or its theory.
 
A lot of people I've met that are Volta fans seem to try to make themselves look like they are educated at music theory, when in reality they are mostly simple-minded and couldnt appreciate music such as Henry Cow or Slapp Happy, whose passages have conceptual meaning and (while not always ear pleasing) blend together very cohesively, a staple of their talent and chemistry as musicians.
 
 
 


Well I am not a music theory Major and yes I see your point that many volta fans come off as being rather arrogant and usually are ignorant, however saying that the Mars Volta are not a musical, is downright wrong. When I first began listening I thought that it was almost all chaos. However giving it several more listens (I started with Frances the Mute By the way) I realized that in the midst of the Chaos there was structure and repetition and consistency that helped the music to flow. As far as everyone saything that they are like pink floyd and King Crimson, well their live performances are very very psychadelic, and Omar has sighted Robert Fripp as a main influence. Finally, with the mars volta being Emo... No just no, had you said that their lyrics take some massive circumlocution to find the meaning, then yes I would agree, but emo just no!; Even I walked away from Frances the Mute saying man I hate Platapus'.


Posted By: RoboVampire
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:09
I love The Mars Volta and Henry Cow. Two different methods, two different sounds, I like them.


Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:09

Their lyrics arent emo. Their lyrics are just nonsensical space fillers added so that the music can have vocals. It's pretty common in music, even King Crimson did it. And believe me, I take a lot of time before I develop an opinion of a groups music. I have listened to a lot of their material and can probably name 10 of their songs that I've heard off hand. It simply strikes me as mediocre, I find it progressive for Emo music but not for Rock in any way.

 
 
 


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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:26
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

"As a matter of fact I find that The Mars Volta is really just Emo music that has been souped up with annoying electronics..."

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Their lyrics arent emo. Their lyrics are just nonsensical space fillers added so that the music can have vocals. It's pretty common in music, even King Crimson did it. And believe me, I take a lot of time before I develop an opinion of a groups music. I have listened to a lot of their material and can probably name 10 of their songs that I've heard off hand. It simply strikes me as mediocre, I find it progressive for Emo music but not for Rock in any way.

 
 

So you're saying that their music is EMO? Care to give a definition of emo music? Wish You Were Here, The Wall, The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place?


Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:41
Meddler, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, you obviously don't know too much about music. I will leave you with your lack of knowledge and conduct my business elsewhere.

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:52
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

Their lyrics arent emo. Their lyrics are just nonsensical space fillers added so that the music can have vocals. It's pretty common in music, even King Crimson did it. And believe me, I take a lot of time before I develop an opinion of a groups music. I have listened to a lot of their material and can probably name 10 of their songs that I've heard off hand. It simply strikes me as mediocre, I find it progressive for Emo music but not for Rock in any way.

 
 
 



NO!

Read this:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15979&KW=interest - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15979&KW=interest for detailed explanationWink

And then my review of FTM: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=72505">http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=72505Embarrassed


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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 23:58
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

Meddler, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, you obviously don't know too much about music. I will leave you with your lack of knowledge and conduct my business elsewhere.
Oh lets stoop to nonrelated insults now! I love how arguments go like this! yay! fighting! lets shed some more blood in hopes of gaining absolutely no ground on any topic! I know! lets pull out the yo mama jokes!

ok rant over. Anyways, people call TMV emo which they obviously arent. Emo is MTV produced overgeneric/formulaic CRAP that has a band a minute and the lyrics are 3rd grade poetry. Call it what you will, I personally like the quirkiness of Omar's (I believe) lyrics, and they DEFINITELY tell a ridiculously elaborate story. So much so that there are arguments on what actually happens. And how does having a different opinion than yours qualify as"not knowing too much about music?" I'm through here.


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Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:01
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

Meddler, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer, you obviously don't know too much about music. I will leave you with your lack of knowledge and conduct my business elsewhere.


With all due respect, which, for you, is very little, I find your statements in this thread to be rather ignorant and distainful. You don't know Meddler. For all you know, he's a musical genius. Don't tell him he knows nothing about music, when he just has a different opinion, which I so happen to agree with.

Also, I wasn't aware that I was, "an elitist who really doesn't know much about music or it's theory", as you so stereotypically put it. Thanks for keeping me, and other Mars Volta fans informed about ourselves.


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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:04

I stated my opinion, I apologise. I thought adults could move on. Apparently Mars Volta fans can't. I pity you.



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Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:05
I'm ignoring that.

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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:06
By the way, Tenth Chaffinch, I'm not here to start any arguments. (damn my font's stuck). Anyways, no one here is stupid or of poor knowledge of music, this is a PROG site, being on it surely means something. And I'm trying to help end the arguments....and make the conversation....dare I say....progress?Wink (sorry if i double post my stupid comp is messed up)

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:10
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

I stated my opinion, I apologise. I thought adults could move on. Apparently Mars Volta fans can't. I pity you.



Their music is complex, with epics, concept, etc, which is against punk's moral. No punk could ever write something as monumentally beautiful as Cassandra Geminni.

You also said their lyrics are nonsense, that's also wrong; chech the thread I linked to aboveWink


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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:12
Originally posted by Zoso Zoso wrote:

I'm ignoring that.
Aha, but by saying that you're ignoring it, you are in fact responding to it, which means you are not ignoring it. Gotcha! :P
Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

 I thought adults could move on. Apparently Mars Volta fans can't. I pity you.
Stop being an ass.


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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:13
Mars Volta is wierd for the sake of wierd. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 23 2006 at 00:14
Well, that's your opinion isn't it? No need to force it down the throats of others, especially those who are fans. Trust me, it won't get you anywhere. The forcing of opinions is why I don't even watch news anymore.

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