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Topic: Zeuhl 5
Posted By: Yukorin
Subject: Zeuhl 5
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 06:04
Magma "Kohntarkosz" (1974) (this record made me want to get the Magma logo tattooed on my forehead! Luckily it went on my arm instead. Now all I have to do is fend off the Batman/ Religious cult questions...grrr) !
Vortex "Les Cyclones du Thanatos" (1979) (so dark and menacing you may unwittingly kill your cat and join The Church of Satan)
Pataphonie "Le Matin Blanc" (1978) (possibly the background music upon entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Not that they will let you in you kitten-slaying, devil whore. Reminds me of Achim Reichel, The Boredoms, and Tortoise for some reason. Avoid their 1st)
Archaia "Archaia" (1977) (slightly tipsy one night I paid 250 quid for this on vinyl. I couldn't afford to eat for a month, my ex divorced me, and my hair fell out. Sounds slightly different from the CD so it was well worth it)
Eider Stellaire "1st" (1980) (impossibly hard to find all-time-classic...I'm scared to even look at it let alone play it...Printed on thinner plastic than a K-Tel comp)



...et toi ?

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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 06:12

I have also heard some Dn, Koenjihyakkei, Ruins, Shub-Niggurath and Weidorje, but my Zeuhl 5 are all Magma/Christian Vander

1. M.D.K.
2. K.A
3. Wurdah tah (Christian Vander)
4. Khntarksz
5. Retrospektw I-II (or 1001 Degrees/Attahk/d Wd/Hhai/Kobaa?? Damn, this is difficult!)



Posted By: vogre
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 06:54

Heard only the first 2 out of your list.

Pseu, Universal Totem Orchestra, Koenjihyakkei, Guapo, Eskaton it's all good stuff.



Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:35
O yeah, I also have a Guapo album. But I think they're more RIO/Avant than Zeuhl...


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:39
You guys know that?

WEIDORJE







Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:47
݂͂, who's the girl on your avatar?


Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:52
I love the Weidorje album...!
It would make my Top 30...It's just one of those records that I never get the urge to play for some reason...

Hey Oliver...! A few years back I got offered their unreleased 2nd album on tape. I couldn't confirm if it was Weidorje or not...maybe just a rumour. Do you know anything about this...?





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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:57
No, i've never heard about a second album...

You're much into french prog i see!



Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 07:59




Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 08:17
  1. MAGMA - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
  2. MAGMA - Kobaia
  3. ZAO - Shekina
  4. DUN - Eros
  5. RUINS - Symphonica


Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 08:29
Dun's "Eros"...! What a classic...!

LP only available from their concerts back in the late '70s...!

Did any ProgArchives members witness Dun live...? !


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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 09:32
  1. Christian Vander - Wurdah Itah
  2. Koenjihyakkei - Angherr Shisspa
  3. Magma - BBC Londres 1974
  4. Weidorje - Weidorje
  5. Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vites

݂͂, maybe you should take over as Zeuhl specialist here - there's stuff on your list I've never heard of!



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 13:42
I'm loving that list Syzygy...!

The Magma BBC recording should be made compulsory listening...! Unbelievable quality...!

Have you heard the band "Yog Sothoth" ? Similar to Shub Niggurath (as you might expect with the Lovecraft handle although pre-dating that band a few years. 'Tis a real shame that many little known classics are not getting re-released )

Thanks for your kind words but you are doing a great job Syzygy...!

...just for you...! The lovely Kyoko...!






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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 14:34

no love for Eskaton or Bondage Fruit?

I agree that Eider Stellaire I album is mammoth!  incredibly heavy stuff! Iwish they would give it a proper reissue, for I only have a burned CD straight from the vinyl.

that Archaia album is also a scorcher, very unique album that anyone into Zeuhl, Kraut, or analogue synthy/spacey music ought to check out,

The Magma BBC recording should be made compulsory listening...! Unbelievable quality...! <I wholeheartedly agree with this statement as well!



Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 14:40
hey, do any of you cats have the Koenjihyakkei DVD? I love that sucker, I must have watched it about 50 times the first week I had it, sometimes I would just have it on in the background while did other things.  I have it stored nicely right next to my beloved Magma - theuz hamtaahk trilogie DVD,


Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 15:19

Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

I'm loving that list Syzygy...!

The Magma BBC recording should be made compulsory listening...! Unbelievable quality...!

Have you heard the band "Yog Sothoth" ? Similar to Shub Niggurath (as you might expect with the Lovecraft handle although pre-dating that band a few years. 'Tis a real shame that many little known classics are not getting re-released )

Thanks for your kind words but you are doing a great job Syzygy...!

...just for you...! The lovely Kyoko...!




It's amazing how Yoshida-san manages to find such incredibly talented female musicians and singers who look like they've just come from a modelling assignment for the Japanese edition of Vogue. Clearly being a Zeuhl drummer makes you a bit of a babe magnet - now where did I leave me drumsticks.....



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 15:20
Eskaton Kommandkestra...!

Always lovin' a bit of Eskaton mithrandir...!

Has anyone got there hands on the unreleased "I Wish"...? ! I only have one track (on the "Enneade" Musea compilation) and what a scorcher it is...! (I had the cassette of "4 Visions" until my tape-deck chewed it and my ex-girlfriend 'accidentally' threw it in the trash...Some things are never meant to be...)

(sheepishly...), I'm sort of friends (well, acquaintances) with Natsuki and Kumiko of Bondage Fruit and I must have seen 'em live a dozen times. Great, great band who get better and better with every release...! I have never seen a better guitarist than Kido Natsuki...! Awesome technique in any genre or style.

Check the Japan 5 thread for more thoughts on the Fruit

Does anyone on the forum know Eider Stellaire (or is old friends with the band...! ) ? Man, they need a high quality re-issue...!

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Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 15:33
Syz...!


                        ...she's even better in real life...!


       x_o


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Posted By: anael
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 16:45


  • Magma. Mekanik Destruktw Kommandh
  • Dn. Eros
  • Jannik Top. Soleil D'Ork    <-------Nobody Mentioned
  • Happy Family. Happy Family
  • Shub-Niggurath. Les Morts Vont Vite



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  • Posted By: Syzygy
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 16:51
    Originally posted by anael anael wrote:



  • Magma. Mekanik Destruktw Kommandh
  • Dn. Eros
  • Jannik Top. Soleil D'Ork    <-------Nobody Mentioned
  • Happy Family. Happy Family
  • Shub-Niggurath. Les Morts Vont Vite

  • I've got the VanderTop 1976 album, which would have got a mention if the sound quality was better. Soleil D'Ork is on my list to pick up next time I swing by ReR, who have quite a few copies in stock.



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    'Like so many of you
    I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
    to the already rich among us...'

    Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




    Posted By: Moatilliatta
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 17:05
    The only Zeuhl I've really gotten into is Magma and Dun. I've heard a few other bands, but they didn't do anything for me.

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    Posted By: eugene
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 17:37

    Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

    You guys know that?

    WEIDORJE





    This album actually got me interested in Zheul and Magma in particular. This one and wonderful Zao's "Shekina"



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    Posted By: mithrandir
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:22

    Originally posted by ?݂????肍?񝼥m>Eskaton Kommandkestra...! ?݂????肍?񝼥m>Eskaton Kommandkestra...! wrote:




    Does anyone on the forum know Eider Stellaire (or is old friends with the band...! ) ? Man, they need a high quality re-issue...!

    You think that a label like Soleil Zeuhl or Musea would have given this a proper reissue by now, all of their albums,

    how many Eider Stellaire albums are there anyway, about 3 or 4?



    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 21:31
    Hi mithrandir...!

    I only have three. If there are more let me know...!

    1st...stunning, as you know...! Original in a "Star-sign" blue cover, re-issues in a re-print of the 2nd's jacket

    2nd...man, oh, man, did this take a long time to 'get' into...! You guys may think this is to the 1st what Van Halen II is to Van Halen I but man...! ...it's like way out there (in the taste stakes) Love it now but it took a good 35 listens until I was happy. Collectors: If you see this or the 1st going cheap(ish) don't hesitate...! (but I hope you are buying it for the music)

    3rd...Musea label...easiest to get hold off. A very pleasant Zeuhl/Jazz/Lounge affair it is too...but be aware this clocks in at around the 25 to 30 minute mark

    So come on Soleil Zeuhl...! Release these beauties NOW...!


    ...or...I may do it myself (...and trust me the artwork would be better )
        x_O

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    Posted By: DallasBryan
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:27
    anyone familar with Patrick Gauthier's Bebe Gorilla pretty good 80's Zeuhlist stuff


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 23:10
    Yeah...Dallas we worship Gauthier like the God he is.

    Bebe Godzilla is a classic, however:

    We are now on a search-and-destroy-mission-of-weapons-of-mass-zeuhlstruction -th e-trajectory-which-if-my-servers-are-right-are-somewhere-in- the-Parisian-District-of-Ledru-Rollin.......Come on Eider Stellaire......

    .......please release that treble-cd of the first 3 records and some bonus tracks (not including any dodgy live-shows of course and any new bands you have lined up) Come on guys...demos, old stuff, we won't judge you for it.......we just wanna hear it. Right Guys !

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    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 23:15
    my top 5'rs for Zeuhl

    1. Kohntarkosz
    2. Eros
    3. M.D.K.
    4. Kobaia
    5. Weidorje


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    The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 23:45
    Micky...!

    Lovin' that Osanna sig...!

    Imagine that as a gig tonight...!

    audience baying, crossed-legged on the floor, just a few mufflers keepin' 'em warm, a little bit of mary jane to keep 'em calm, hands on their friends to keep 'em sane, that was a strong blowback Jane, when is the last train ?, my name's not Jane, my name is banana, lovin' Osanna


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    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 23:55
    Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

    Micky...!

    Lovin' that Osanna sig...!

    Imagine that as a gig tonight...!

    audience baying, crossed-legged on the floor, just a few mufflers keepin' 'em warm, a little bit of mary jane to keep 'em calm, hands on their friends to keep 'em sane, that was a strong blowback Jane, when is the last train ?, my name's not Jane, my name is banana, lovin' Osanna


     I see we are graced with a poet in our midst.

    ahhahah.. lovin the sig  as well.  Keeps my PM busy from people wondering who the hell that group is. I was going to change up the sig and avatar at the 2000 post level like I did at 1000 but the sig is being nominated for the Micky sig Hall of Fame.  I had a great Magma pic I was going to use.  We'll see when the time gets closer. Lots of opportunities to...spread the word about Osanna and Italian prog

     


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 00:18
    ...Keep spreadin' that word, micky...!

    ...ain't "Palepoli" a killer...! and if this is the live show then I would happily die a happy man.


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    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 00:33
    Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

    ...Keep spreadin' that word, micky...!

    ...ain't "Palepoli" a killer...! and if this is the live show then I would happily die a happy man.


    that album along with Ys, and Per Un Amico really put the zap on my head.  Really opened my eyes to a world of great prog outside of the English prog  I grew up with.  Having become a semi-regular poster here I've had a chance to meet some great people here (they know who they are) that have opened my eyes even wider to the Spanish, non-Zeuhl French, and the Japanese scenes.  If only money grew on trees..... I would die a happy man hahahah.  Have a good night.. time for some unbeauty sleep.


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    The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip


    Posted By: Alucard
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 14:08

    Great thread,

     I am just starting to enter 'Zeuhl' through the front door with Magma;  as I luckily found nearly all their records in the Parisian library system, I am doing a chronological retrospektive. I just arrived at Live/Hai and up to now my favourite 3 are:

    -Khntarksz/ Live-Hai/  -1001 Centigrades

    to be continued... BTW what band/record should I continue with in terms of musical continuity after Magma?



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    "Hey there! Rotter's Club!
    Explain the meaning of this song and share it"



    Posted By: mithrandir
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 14:38
    Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

    to be continued... BTW what band/record should I continue with in terms of musical continuity after Magma?

    I'd definitely say try out Koenjihyakkei especially if your into the vocal/chant side of Magma,

    also some of of Magma's contemporaries, most of which are mentioned in this thread, Weidorje, Dun, Zao, etc, also the the first 4 Art Zoyd albums,



    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 14:44
    Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

    Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

    to be continued... BTW what band/record should I continue with in terms of musical continuity after Magma?

    I'd definitely say try out Koenjihyakkei especially if your into the vocal/chant side of Magma,




    that's where I'm heading next.


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    The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip


    Posted By: Politician
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 15:29
    MAGMA: Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
    ESKATON: 4 Visions
    BONDAGE FRUIT: Bondage Fruit
    SHUB NIGGURATH: Shub Niggurath [1st cassette]
    YOG SOTHOTH: Yog Sothoth


    Posted By: captainbeyond
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 15:54

    ݂͂

    You're obviously a Zeuhl machine. I deeply appreciate that since Magma is also my favorite band and I've been fortunate to see them 4 or 5 times in the past 6 years or so, although I do not know a fraction of the Zeuhl that you do. Great stuff you've suggested and thank you for sharing your knowledge. The hunt for great Zeuhl continues.

    However, I was surprised that you (and others) consider Kohntarkosz to be Magma's greatest. I like it, but it is neither my favorite, second favorite, nor third favorite. I find the title track(s) to be a bit clattery and unfocused while not quite matching the force, catharsis or bliss of the greatest Magma material (MDK, WI, De Futura or even Eliphas Levi, in its way). Ironically, the most revelatory track on the album is the atypical and McCoy Tyner-esque "Coltrane Sundia."

    Let me know what you see that I do not.



    Posted By: eugene
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:02

    My fiver:

    1. Zao - Shekina

    2. Weidorje - Weidorje

    3. Magma - Kohntarkosz

    4. Magma - Kobaia

    5. Magma - MDK or Udu Wudu

    Not sure if Runaway Totem can be classified as Zheul, but their "Tep Zepi" album is just amazing, and so is Universal Totem Orchestra as well.



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    Posted By: Syzygy
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:16
    Originally posted by captainbeyond captainbeyond wrote:

    ݂͂

    You're obviously a Zeuhl machine. I deeply appreciate that since Magma is also my favorite band and I've been fortunate to see them 4 or 5 times in the past 6 years or so, although I do not know a fraction of the Zeuhl that you do. Great stuff you've suggested and thank you for sharing your knowledge. The hunt for great Zeuhl continues.

    However, I was surprised that you (and others) consider Kohntarkosz to be Magma's greatest. I like it, but it is neither my favorite, second favorite, nor third favorite. I find the title track(s) to be a bit clattery and unfocused while not quite matching the force, catharsis or bliss of the greatest Magma material (MDK, WI, De Futura or even Eliphas Levi, in its way). Ironically, the most revelatory track on the album is the atypical and McCoy Tyner-esque "Coltrane Sundia."

    Let me know what you see that I do not.

     A wonderful track that saves an otherwise disappointing album.

    For me Kohntarkosz is Vander's most successfully realised large scale composition, although Wurdah Itah is my overall favourite album from Magma's classic period. And what about the stunning K.A. ?



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    'Like so many of you
    I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
    to the already rich among us...'

    Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




    Posted By: DallasBryan
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:51
    Can Samla Mammas Manna not fall in with this crowd? isnt Zeuhl really Avant Garde Fusion Gone French. Anyway the Samla family of recordings are closely related in my mind. Anyone for Kultavator?


    Posted By: captainbeyond
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:58

    Hey Syzygy,

    Forgive me if I'm being over-persistent, but can you give me a better idea of what about or where within Kohntarkosz you get "The Blast." It's a trip but doesn't give me that rush, that shot into the stratosphere, that, say, MDK does. For example, in MDK, there is the concluding movement that just picks up steam and explodes into bar after bar of increasing intensity, peaking and peaking till it all comes to its strong conclusion. MDK has the highs/lows, brights/darks, heavy/lights, male/female choirs and a propulsive force. What about Kohntarkosz moves you in this way?

    As for KA, it is truly great and I love it in the way I love almost everything that Magma has released. However, I remember Stella mentioning the album back at a show in, like, 2000 so delayed desire left me with overly-high expectations. As good as KA is, I can't say there is anything compelling enough about it to make me throw it on rather than MDK or WI.



    Posted By: eugene
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:06

    Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

    Can Samla Mammas Manna not fall in with this crowd? isnt Zeuhl really Avant Garde Fusion Gone French. Anyway the Samla family of recordings are closely related in my mind. Anyone for Kultavator?

    Samla Mammas Manna, as well as Zamla and Von Zamla, are absolutely great, but, I'm afraid, it's all completely different story. 



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    Posted By: Syzygy
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:11

    There are several versions of Kohntarkosz out there, and the 'original' two parter is the one I like least. The Seventh records reissue contains version 2, which is played straight through as a single piece and somehow works a lot better without being radically different. The killer version of the piece, though, is on Live-Hhai. At about the 13 minute mark all the instruments stop except for the Fender Rhodes (which is where the part 1 of the vinyl version ended). The badn re-enters, and Gabriel Federow unleashes an electric violin solo of rare ferocity and precision - the rhythmic interplay between violin, bass, drums and keyboards leaves me breathless every time. There's also the ever ascending scale in part 1, and the conclusion to the piece is pretty stunning as well. It's all a matter of personal taste, though.

    And did I mention the version of Theusz Hamtaahk on BBC Londres 1974?



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    'Like so many of you
    I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
    to the already rich among us...'

    Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




    Posted By: captainbeyond
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:30
    Awesome. That's what I'm looking for. I will pay special attention to that segment as I spin the disc tonight (I have the Japanese of K and the Seventh of Hhai). Thanks.


    Posted By: listennow801
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:47

    Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

    I love the Weidorje album...!
    It would make my Top 30...It's just one of those records that I never get the urge to play for some reason...

    Hey Oliver...! A few years back I got offered their unreleased 2nd album on tape. I couldn't confirm if it was Weidorje or not...maybe just a rumour. Do you know anything about this...?



    I recently acquired a CD-r of a Zeuhl comp that includes Eider Stellaire's un-released LP and the infamous Weidorje 2nd LP. The sound is not too good [esp. on the E.S. - sonic hell one might even say as the volume levels dip..., but let me tell you, it's frigging sublime anyway, imho. The titles are "1) "Nihil II" 2) "Arclis III"]. The Weid. tunes don't have titles on the disc I have. There are also 2 exceptionally good UPPSALA tunes on the disc:   3) "Everum" 4) "Sans Titre." Another by an unheard of French zeuhl group called EVOHE. No info on where this stuff came from/the source I'm afraid. The hack-job editing on the disc is a horrid terror often, but the music makes is well worthwhile, I promise you!

    If anyone's interested, let me know and I can copy some CD-Rs. PM me. I will copy 5 or 6. If there are more requests, we could do a 'tree' - that is, each of the folks I burn a disk for, burns a few too, and passes them on, etc...

    Cleo



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    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 19:35
    Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

    There are several versions of Kohntarkosz out there, and the 'original' two parter is the one I like least. The Seventh records reissue contains version 2, which is played straight through as a single piece and somehow works a lot better without being radically different. The killer version of the piece, though, is on Live-Hhai. At about the 13 minute mark all the instruments stop except for the Fender Rhodes (which is where the part 1 of the vinyl version ended). The badn re-enters, and Gabriel Federow unleashes an electric violin solo of rare ferocity and precision - the rhythmic interplay between violin, bass, drums and keyboards leaves me breathless every time. There's also the ever ascending scale in part 1, and the conclusion to the piece is pretty stunning as well. It's all a matter of personal taste, though.

    And did I mention the version of Theusz Hamtaahk on BBC Londres 1974?



    couldn't agree more.. the Live Hhai version of Kohntarkosz is killer.


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    Posted By: mithrandir
    Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 21:22

    for me I love the minimalist and heavy nature of Kohntarkosz, dark brooding constricting, never allowing you to see the light of day, I might come at this from a different angle than most here, being a huge Black Metal and Doom Metal fan, I can hear (and feel) many similarities between Kohntarkosz and an oppresive drawn out composition like Corrupted's "Llenandos de Gusanos"...perhaps, different sides of the same coin with the same goal in mind is the way i see it,



    Posted By: captainbeyond
    Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 00:11
    Interesting that you bring up doom. Some doom I like, some less so. I actually caught Corrupted in Tokyo maybe 7 years ago (and on St. Mark's Place maybe 9 years ago). Good live. Visceral. On record, it's a different thing altogether. Slow, oppressive, boring. That goes for Khanate, Moss and the other 10 million doom bands oozing into the world around now. The kind of doom that I can get with (other than doom rock or metal a la Trouble, Solitude Aeturnes, etc) is doom that has room for space, Disembowelment being my favorite. But, as you said, the constriction of Kohn., never allowing you to see the light of day, these are characteristics that I don't think present Magma at their most transcendent. For that, their best music is that which makes you feel like you can scale the Walls of Heaven or burst through the Gates, if necessary.


    Posted By: mithrandir
    Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 02:04
    I like all Doom, from drone doom to more traditional doom bands, I love the spectrum from Trouble to Disembowlment to Moss, etc, its all love to me!  , I just threw out the comparison of Kohntarkosz in relation to something like Corrupted as you must have more patience than the average gnat to fully absorb the power of such a masterpiece as Kohntarkosz,  check that thread in the "Non-prog music" section of this forum for more doom talk,


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:42
    ov@i΁j

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    Posted By: micky
    Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 13:09
    Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

    ov@i΁j


    another one I've missed.....hahahah


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 13:40
    ܂BBBHInnnI



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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 14:03

    listennow801...

    ...Evohe is the Holy Grail of Zeuhl...!

    is it a live show ...? (there is a live show circulating)

    I would happily donate a kidney to hear the studio LP.






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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 08 2006 at 14:06
    captainbeyondl

    Please PM me



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    Posted By: listennow801
    Date Posted: April 09 2006 at 16:02

    Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

    I agree that Eider Stellaire I album is mammoth!  incredibly heavy stuff! Iwish they would give it a proper reissue, for I only have a burned CD straight from the vinyl.

    Originally posted by ݂͂ ݂͂ wrote:

    1st...stunning, as you know...! Original in a "Star-sign" blue cover, re-issues in a re-print of the 2nd's jacket

    2nd...man, oh, man, did this take a long time to 'get' into...! You guys may think this is to the 1st what Van Halen II is to Van Halen I but man...! ...it's like way out there (in the taste stakes) Love it now but it took a good 35 listens until I was happy. Collectors: If you see this or the 1st going cheap(ish) don't hesitate...! (but I hope you are buying it for the music)

    3rd...Musea label...easiest to get hold off. A very pleasant Zeuhl/Jazz/Lounge affair it is too...but be aware this clocks in at around the 25 to 30 minute mark

    So come on Soleil Zeuhl...! Release these beauties NOW...!


    ...or...I may do it myself (...and trust me the artwork would be better )    x_O

     

    Here are some notes from Alain of Soliel Zeul  [in 2000] on the status [unfortunate indeed!] of Eider Stellaire re-issues :
    "Yes, a reissue of the 1st one is greatly needed. I tried to do so on my own
    label last year and had a talk with Michel LE BARS. He does not want to see
    ANY reissue of his first 2 LPs. I understood that the problem is not with the
    music but with the fact that  he has "buried" his past and does not want to
    see it come to light again. His changed his life and my call was not welcome
    as he does not even want to talk about his music.
    A bit later, I had a talk with Alain JULIAC ( MUSEA team ) and learned that
    in the early 90's Michel LE BARS told him that in order to be sure that NO
    ONE will ever make a reissue, he burned the master tapes. When I talked to
    Michel he did not say that.
    So ??????
    The only thing sure is that no reissue will be done soon, very probably
    never. Let's hope that through the years Michel will change his mind and that
    what he told to A.JULIAC was not true...
    So, for those who would like to hear this ZEUHL gem, find a tape or a Cd-r
    somewhere or, if rich enough buy the LP on a collector's list ; but don't
    expect a legal CD reissue."
     
    Sorry about the sad news :(
    Cleo


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    Ratings of Lady Gnosis: http://www.gnosis2000.net/raterclaire.shtml


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 04:17
    Hi Claire...!

    ...many, many, thanks for that info...!

    (although heartbreaking)



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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:33
    Le bump

          I had the pleasure to see Koenji Hyakkei live again last week and what a mind-altering lump of zeuhl they delivered...!

                             Review on the Performances page



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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:47
         incidentally. . .

                   . . .WTF 'appened to me name an' sig. . ? !

    I turns me back for two minutes an' I find that I can't find sod all an' all me posts 'ave got buggered up !

                     Japanese language dame ka ? ! Omaetachi yamete kure. . .

          Need to change me screen name. . .

                   . . .any help much appreciated !


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    Posted By: Mikerinos
    Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:12
    The only Zeuhl album I have is Udu Wudu.  It's great, but sort of disappointing... it's not as weird as I expected/hoped. Wink

    I'll probably get some more Magma shortly, but Udu Wudu is the only album of theirs I can find cheap.  I really want Dun's album but I can't seem to find that anywhere!


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    Posted By: Explorer-eighth
    Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 19:06
    1. Magma - Kohntarkosz
     
    2. Magma - 1001 degrees centigrades
     
    3. Magma - Magma
     
    4. Univers Zero - Heresie (It has influences of Zeuhl although its RIO)
     
    5. Eskaton - 4 Visions
     
    The LP version of Kohntarkosz was the best because the order of the tracks was perfect.  Ork Alarm was played between the two different parts of the title track which provided a good contrast.  Coltrane Sundia sounds better following Kohntarkosz part two as it does on the LP(vinyl).
     
    Even Eskaton's 4 Visions was better on the cassette because again the tracks were in the ideal order.  Ecoute was like the first movement of a symphony (fast and loud).  Pitie was like the second movement of a symphony (a slow movement) and then Attente was the scherzo and Eskaton was the finale.


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    The music I enjoy is complex; varied; deep and well played.


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 03:43
    I had the pleasure of hearing Heldon's new Live '79 cd recently. An earth-shattering cosmik slew of an experience it is too !

                        
    - http://www.captaintrip.co.jp/new9.html


    Richard Pinhas and Antoine Paganotti and Jerome Schmidt are coming over to Tokyo at the end of this year. Gonna be joined with Ruins/Koenji Hyakkei's Yoshida Tatsuya. Think my head will explode.

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    Posted By: MattiR
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:05
    In my opinion the most interesting albums which belong to genre, called Zeuhl, are: MAGMA "Mekank Destruktw Kommandh" [1973] --> essence of Magma's style
    and
    WEIDORJE "Weidorje" [1978].

    There is also an interesting band from Sweden - KULTIVATOR. It's hard to say whether that band plays Zeuhl or jazz rock. They've got only one album: "Barndomens Stigar"  [1981].


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:18
    The Kultivator album is mammoth ! And quite catchy too ! Zeuhl-pop ? haha


           One for the 4 Visions lovers


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    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:19
    I'm completely new to Zeuhl, my first album i got just a week ago, Wurdah Itah. I was gonna mek it Eros, but i just can't find it, no-one here knows it even exists. I've listened quite a bit to Udu wudu as well, and i'm just amazed at how many different kinds of music there is on the planet, you know.


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:28
    The day I found Eros on vinyl was the happiest day of my life. Bought it then proceeded to get wasted to ease the memory of how much it cost.

       Maybe Soleil Zeuhl can help ?




           - http://alain.lebon4.free.fr/soleil/debut-gb.html

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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:41
    This cat knows his stuff:


               - http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Manuriel/avant__prog___zeuhl___rio/

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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:45
    Links to some more obscurities:

        
            - http://petit.sebastien.free.fr/bebe.html
    (possibly written by the ex-Musea owner FG)


            - http://members.aol.com/sleeplessz/french.htm
    (linked many times before but always worth a butchers)

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    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:48
    Yeah, but i only buy vinyls if they cost less that a dollar, since i don't have access to a player. At least not in the way i'd like to...


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 04:54
    I was a full-on vinyl only elitist up to a couple of years ago. Also the bleedin' humidity in Tokyo is playing havoc with my collection.

         On a side note I never went over 250 quid for an LP. (Archaia) Was tempted by the original Monster Movie by Can (600 smackers...!) but managed to talk myself out of it.


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    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:11
    It appears you and i don't share the same love for vinyls :)


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:42
    I'm kinda drifting slowly towards cd's for practicality however I have zero respect for 'em so they're scattered all over me apartment regularly trodden on whereas the vinyl are all in heavy vinyl protecting sleeves next to the air-conditioner.


    A problem out here in la-la land is that cd's are so bleedin' expensive. Luckily the wax is dirt cheap.


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    Posted By: oliverstoned
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:45
        

    Analog rules!



    Posted By: oliverstoned
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:50
        

    Yukorin, you can be proud of that:



    And i own the 1976 one:



    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:56
    That's some impressive equipment ya got there Oliver !

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    Posted By: MattiR
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 05:58
    Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

    The Kultivator album is mammoth ! And quite catchy too ! Zeuhl-pop ? haha


          


    Why not? Wink


    Posted By: oliverstoned
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 06:01


    Yes. And the Naka1000 was simply the best tapedeck ever launched in '73, and used by the greatest artists in studio! It's very musical and performant with great dynamic and a warm analog sound.

    Then in '82 you did the 1000 zxl and 1000 zxl gold using electronic which are even better (better performances). Bravo!


        


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 06:02
    Thanks Oliver ! Of course one personally had a hand in their design...

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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 06:04
    ZeuhlPop !

    Any other zeuhl sub-genres knockin' about ? !

    I just labelled Eider Stellaire LoungeZeuhl on another thread.



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    Posted By: Apsalar
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 07:30
    An article which I thought people here might be interested in. Goes into a lot of depth about the Historical and musical ties Magma's music has with John Coltrane. Quite an interesting read.

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2822/is_4_26/ai_111507220 - http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2822/is_4_26/ai_111507220


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 07:42
    That is one helluva in-depth article Black Velvet ! Will pour over it later.

    Incidentally I've just remembered I have the Magma book written in the late '70s by (British) TV's Eurotrash presenter Antoine de Caunes but can't read it as it's all in bleedin' French ! Natch.

    Also for some bizarre reason a book of matches with the Magma logo on it which an ex of mine started lighting cigarettes off of until I flung across the room and interveened.

    Any stories of zeuhl memoribilia floating around ?


              ♪


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    Posted By: Apsalar
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:23
    Unforunately I have not found any zeuhl memoribilia floating around

    Though while we are talking about Magma relate thinking I was wondeirng what you would class the band The Flying Luttenbachers as? On their 2002 album Infection and Decline they did a comendable effort at covering Magma's De Futura. This the only album I have heard and it does have may zeuhl references scattered throught, what do other people think?
        


    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:27
    By "la-la land"...did you mean Japan?


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:29
    Happy birthday Evans !


                Yukorin


    in la-la land ♪


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:31
    Hi B V !

    I am very interested in the Flying Luttenbachs and what I have downloaded has sounded great ! Including their sensational re-working of De Futura


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    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:32
    Thanks.. :)
    So.. why "la-la" land? Is it just you, or is it often referred to it as that?


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:33
    I live in la-la land and also Tokyo, Japan


            which is paradise ☆


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    Posted By: oliverstoned
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:35

    A humid paradise!


    Posted By: Apsalar
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:35
    Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

    Hi B V !

    I am very interested in the Flying Luttenbachs and what I have downloaded has sounded great ! Including their sensational re-working of De Futura


    Have you got the whole album I have talked about? There is some very solid material on this album, which I was very surprised about, the noise aspect of their music may turn a lot of people of but I think it is great as well. I will see if I can dig up some information on this band for everyone here.

    They are a little more prolific than I though... having some 15 or so albums.

    Here is there homepage for those interested.

    http://nowave.pair.com/luttenbachers/new_contents.html - http://nowave.pair.com/luttenbachers/new_contents.html


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:41
    Hi Oliver !

         
            High humidity equals girls with little on




    No complaints here my son


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    Posted By: oliverstoned
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:45


    High humidity equals humid girls, that's what you mean?


    Posted By: Evans
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:45
    Yukorin, your style of writing (plus that avatar) gives me a headache.. keep it up! :)


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:51
    Hi B V !

    Only got a few tracks I downloaded but I did hear some more at my local store Disc Union and, if I wasn't such a tightwad, probably would have bought it on 1st listen. Forget the album name, however.


    Incidentally Disc Union (a big record chain in Tokyo selling new and used) has its' own specialist progressive rock branch. Has so many limited editions and bizarre freebies like Ash Ra Tempel shot glasses ! They have a habit of offering complete recorded collections of bands catalogues in deluxe packagings. The recent Genesis and Magma box-sets were simply beautiful ! Of course we're looking at 300 dollars a pop.


    Which reminds me ! In Tokyo Tower (a carbon copy of Le Tour Eiffel which was seemingly dropped randomly in downtown Tokyo) there is a waxwork musuem featuring, for some inexplainable reason, a waxwork of Manuel Gottering ! amongst several others...


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:55
    heres the link if anyone is interested:

            http://diskunion.net/


    - http://diskunion.net/

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    Posted By: Apsalar
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 08:59
    Well if you are interested in hearing some more don't be scared to PM me anytime

    I'm starting to see through these little stories how shealtered my little westernised country is from all these wonderful articfacts. Though I am happy at the moment there seems to be a bit of a boom for Avant-garde music in general over here is Australia. Also I was looking through that Ultima Thule stock list and notice they have some material off the Pyramid label which I got rather excited about


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 09:00
    Oliver !

    "humid girls" means hot and sweaty ?


       I'm off to get some more beers an' maybe find some humid femmes


                It's 10pm now and the weathergirl (who is more than a little humid herself....) has assured me it is 37.5C outside


    Unfortunately the weathergirl has just left my apartment so I can't get confirmation. Will venture out myself


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 09:50
    Ok, back ! With beer ♥

       Hate posting drunk 'cos I always regret it in the mornin' (or, let's be honest, late afternoon)


              But can't post in the mornin' cos of the hangover.


    Listening to a bootleg (possibly Reims 1976) of Kohntarkosz right now. The sound quality is brutal. Sounds as if it was recorded in Klaus Blaszquiz's Y-fronts. The guitar has now completely dropped out the picture to be replaced by the sound of, quite possibly, pocket billiards. The intro was some geezer (Farmer Vander ?) mumblin' on in inaudiable french for 90 seconds until the Klauster fires off his blood-curdling Hamatai! Is this the same as the 7th records release ? ! Best version I've heard yet ! An' that takes some doin' to surpass the greatest piece of music ever recorded. Human League included.


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 11:15
    Incidentally...

         Koenji Hyakkei have released another live DVD from last years Tokyo gig (where I was lucky enough to be working)

    Koenji Hyakkei Live at Doors


    Camera angles etc are amateur but the sound and music quality is top





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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 11:16


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    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 11:17
    Track info...





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    Posted By: Apsalar
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 17:05
    A nice little set they have done their! As I said before in your review of the concert I would die to go to a concert like that.

    Well while I am heard I though I might ask this question, I asked it in another thread, so hear it goes.

    I'm hoping somebody here is going to be able help me with this question I was wonder whether anybody knew if the band "Golden Avant-garde" are worth the listen. This is another project of Lacrymosa's Chihiro S. Since I like Lacrymosa I was thinking this could be something close to my tastes?    


    Posted By: Yukorin
    Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 17:19
    Mornin' BV !

    Great question ! I know Lacymosa but am unaware of any Golden Avant-garde. C'mon guys ! Challenge !


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