Is Pink Floyd overrated??
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Topic: Is Pink Floyd overrated??
Posted By: progadicto
Subject: Is Pink Floyd overrated??
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:19
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I have a hate/love relationship with Pink Floyd... Some of their albums -specially early 70's- are great but others are totally bored (in my opinion)... I don't know what u think, but albums like Saucerful of Secrets, Meddle, The Wall, Final Cut or Division Bell are full of meaningless guitar solos, poor lyrics, and songs without sense and emotion... Pink Floyd fans gonna kill me for that topic but I really want to know what you think about this band cos I really believe that many Pink Floyd albums are totally overrated... ProgAdicto ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:28
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OOOh another overrated thread! Now I can die happy.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:33
Has this subject turned up YET again? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:39
Hey! Not EVERYBODY has to love Floyd. If you no like...no listen. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:45
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Saucerful of secrets is an early 70's album isn't it. I can agree with Division Bell. I don't understand the rest of your post. Since when is it that a great guitar solo has to have meaning? I'm not too much into lyrics but i do think that PF's songs on the Wall are emotionial. If you don't like the emotions being conveyed here that's another thing. I see that you like Steve Hillage. I like him too but as for emotion i would not rate his work too highly. That doesn't matter because hillage's work isn't particularly about emotion as far as i'm concerned. More about atmosphere and great musicianship really. It's the same with Floyd , not everything has to have loads of emotional meaning, there are other things that are also important in writing good songs. |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:47
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^^^Saucerful is 68 actually. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:55
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Yeah, and if I remember correctly there is exactly 1 guitar solo on The Final Cut. I disagree on practically everything else on the original post too. This time I don't even bother to be more precise. ------------- "Make tea, not love" |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:58
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YOU DIE NOW!!!!!! YOU SHALL NEVER INSULT THE MIGHTY GOD MACHINE THAT WAS PINK FLOYD!
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 20:59
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just kidding. I agree that every one of those albums *with the exception of Meddle....mmmm.....Echoes....* is pretty much overrated. Although The Wall has one or two memorable solos....and i do mean only one or two.
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Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:09
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I my self disagree but its all down to taste. ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:13
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They have two overrated albums: Dark Side and The Wall. That's it. Lots of their stuff is IMO underrated, such as Saucerful Of Secrets, Ummagumma, Meddle, and Atom Heart Mother are IMO perfect five star masterpieces.
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Posted By: Laurent
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:14
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Overrated/Underrated are meaningless words used to describe subjective tastes. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:16
So you don't like Floyd so they're automatically overrated?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:20
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How can music be overrated? You like what you like. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:23
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Overrated - no. Overplayed - perhaps. *love me some floyd*
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:32
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Yes they are... are you happy now??!?! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:35
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No, they're so good they are underrated. -------------  
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:37
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I hate to get involved in these type of negative threads, but I must applaud Laurent.. ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Laurent wrote:Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 22:33
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I like Pink Floyd that said I think what lifts Floyd`s rating is their ability to capture not only a prog Audience but also how they manage to impress everyday music fans . I don`t consider Pink Floyd 100 % prog (eg hardly any complex time signatures and pretty straight forward playing) but that doesn`t discourage me from seeing them as very high quality music . For this reason I feel Pink Floyd are not underrated , in fact Floyd are the ingredient most good prog bands need.
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Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 22:54
At the risk of giving away my age a little here, I'm talking about the vinyl lp version. What the hell, I thought. in the very least it's a great sound effects album for Halloween with a great cover and posters. So I shelved it. As I did with Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall was definitely no Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. (Yes, I know, at this point all the PF fans out there are probably throwing rocket launchers and dirty bombs at me too). But this bothered me that I'd reacted this way. Of course I still like them, one of my favorite bands. The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, is still on my top ten list. I just couldn't put PF and Dark Side Of The Moon (and the rest) in the Prog section anymore. I also had to move on...
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 22:59
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Is Pink Floyd overrated? NO! Maybe some of you enjoy their music, some of you simply dont like them, but of course they are not overrated ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:09
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I don't know about overrated, but their catalogue is definitely not spotless. I
can't really get into most of the studio stuff on "Ummagumma," and the movie soundtracks "More," and "Obscured by Clouds" are not up to their usual standards. "Meddle" is one of my favorites. It was just before the Roger Waters domination, but shows where they were heading. "The Final Cut" seemed like a letdown after the wall, but I think there is a lot of inspired music there. Don't much care for "The Division Bell" at all. The rest are all gems as far as I'm concerned. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:45
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They are Pink Floyd and they have produced some very good music over the years. Over-rated? No. |
Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:08
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Posted By: ____VdGG____
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:53
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It all about personal taste!
I don't like DSOtM all that much, and I'd actually be inclined to say I think it's overrated, but you mentioned A Saucerful Of Secrets,( came out in 68' by the way, not 70's) and Meddle  !!! By far underrated, if anything, that album is wonderful.
But then again, I can't get upset b/c you have your opinions and are entitled to them, as I am my own  ------------- Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams; Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:26
| Pink Floyd is very UNDERRATED! Every single one of their albums including THE FINAL CUTare all great in their own distinct ways! WYWH, DSOTM, ANIMALS, MEDDLE, PIPER, THE WALL, etc. are all jaw-dropping albums. |
Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:05
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Put simpley. No. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:09
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What do you mean by "overrated?" (I think you mean that you don't like some Floyd albums as much as many other people do. Why not just say that? (if you must) Overrated" is a word which does not just reflect your opinion, but also takes issue with the opinions, tastes, integrity, and/or insight of others. It is very confrontational, and judgmental. It's a dumb word, for use in dumb, immature, arrogant negative threads. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:16
Good morning Peter!  ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:19
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Is any guitar solo really meaningful? The lyrics I love, So Shh! ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:22
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This might be just my own uninformed opinion, but whenever I hear the words 'Pink Floyd' I instantly hear in my head an overpowering chatter of journalists, a chatter that boils down to the band's being perceived as greater and more perfect than God. In popular imagination and certain sections of the media they still seem to be regarded as gods whose music is an Eighth Day of Creation, don't they? Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but don't they share this pedestal with Led Zep, U2, the Rolling Stones etc. ? If this is the case, then of course they and all these other bands are overrated. And there's nothing wrong with thinking so. I like them a lot - but they should hardly be above constructive criticism.
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Posted By: Dominvm
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:36
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In my opinion is underrated
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:47
Everybody is gonna kill you because we are bored to death of overrated topics |
Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:51
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They may get the overrated status due to Dark Side of the Moon being the album on the charts the longest and for the "genius" adoration of drug blank-up, Syd Barrett, by certain people. They may get the overrated status because certain radio stations continue to overplay certain songs from Dark Side to the Wall, when they could be playing songs from their other albums, or other groups such as Porcupine Tree That stated, the overrated status is not due to prog rock fans, but due to other music fans who want to hear "money" for the ten millionth time, instead of other material, and less than informed members of the music media. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:51
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Guten morgen, Empie! How fares the battle? How are the balls of your feet? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:04
So, to be clear, what is the real topic of this thread? Is it: - I don't like Floyd very much. - Do people like them as much as they claim to? - Is the professional music press and/or radio corrupt? - Are the Prog Archives reviewers corrupt? - Are Floyd fans dumb, and inferior in their taste in music to me?
"Overrated" by whom, and for what reason? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:13
| Probably something along the lines of: "Am I the only one who doesn't love PF?" Yeah, the wording could have been better, but I don't think any disrespect towards PF fans was intended in this thread. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:36
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Thanks for the clarification. As you can see, I have "issues" with the ubiquitous "overrated" word, as I find it to be confrontational, and ill-chosen. I don't think those who like to fling it around really consider what it implies. To those who like to use the word here: don't. Talk about your opinion, don't presume to judge mine/others' or my review/rating. If you (not you personally, V13) don't care for a band or album, but you've no proof of corruption or stupidity on the part of the album or band's fans and reviewers, then just write "I don't like it." Drop the "overrated" -- along with "best" and "worst," it is over-used ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:46
I hope you don't mind if I add to that - please can people not write that such-and-such is "a pile of cr*p" or the many similar variants of same. It is vulgar, crass, offensive and shows a distinct lack of command of the English language and lack of respect for musicians. There are ways of saying you don't like something without being rude. This is not aimed at anyone in particular ...... Phew! That's better |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:00
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^ The noun 'c*ap' should be reserved only for the lyrics typical of some genres cough cough mainstram rap cough cough |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:12
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Is Pink Floyd overrated? Can't really find the words to answer... So I guess I'll just laugh at it!
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Posted By: man@arms
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:14
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I don't think everything Floyd ever did was incredible, but they are certainly not "overrated". That's a word that's thrown around a little too much and is very subjective. Whether or not you like something has no bearing on it being over/under rated. It would be more accurate to simply say "I don't like it" than to say its "overrated". Pink Floyd is/was one of the most influential bands in rock history. That is a fact. |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:33
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People who don't like Floyd are overrated. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:40
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The term overrated is overrated.
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Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:03
| In my opinion, the only PF album I'd consider boring is "The Final Cut". |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:18
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Everyone one else has posted in this thread so why not I? I think the band is great and if anyone thinks I praise them to much that's to bad because I plan on doing it alot more. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 17:15
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Good music can never be overrated. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 17:42
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oh no....once again?! let the floyd alone. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 18:59
Hear Hear! |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:02
I was just listening to the Japanese remastered "Animals" in the car... overrated is a term never to be mentioned in this albums presence!  ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:13
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Hey 3F! So -- not ridin' the bus anymore?
Hope you're well! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:21
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I think( I think i think) that Three Fates return is...........
.................overrated!
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 23:20
Hi Peter... doing well, thank you! Never rode the bus much, was a subway person for years... now i have my own little Scion TC.... just love it! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 23:21
Return
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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:23
| I don't think Pink Floyd is overrated but "Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2" definitely is. |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 01:52
So is custard |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 02:05
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 02:46
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I couldn't disagree more, as PF are one of my all-time favourite bands. However, I agree with all the people who say that the use of the word "overrated" is quite meaningless. It's all down to personal taste. PA is chock-full of people who worship Genesis, while I'm not too keen on them: should I also open a thread to ask whether Genesis are overrated? On the other hand, I think there are bands (though not in prog) which are definitely over-hyped, if not overrated: this is the case of Nirvana. I've never understood what the fuss was about. |
Posted By: Zavgorodny
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 03:02
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overrated or not... just imagine Michael Jackson, who tours the world year after year and still sings the same Billy Jean or Thriller... you getting older, your childern grow up, and than they have children too, and their children grow up, and then your big big family, you and your children, and your granchildren, go to stadium or wherever and listen the same Michael Jackson, and he's fat and bold and not dancing anymore, and he still sings the same Billy Jean... frightened? then imagine the same but you go to listen PF & Shine On Your Crazy Diamond... got the difference?
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 03:06
Perfect  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 11:40
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i fully agree |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 13:10
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I think PF ARE overrated, but not because they were a bad band or anything like that... I believe there are many other bands - Marillion for example - who deserve the same recognition / status / success but don't get it. I remember having sold loadwagons of "Division Bell"-CDs in the shop I used to work then but only a few copies of "Brave", though the latter was the far better ( and a quite more interesting ) album... i got angry... but, no, I can understand anyone who's mad about Pink Floyd and perhaps don't understand myself too well cause it's "their music's got EVERYTHING I'm usually getting off on but god only knows with them I - mostly - don't". It's not my emotional world... and any true PF-Fan may slap me for picking "Have a Cigar" as my favourite PF-Song EVER ! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 05:30
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Surely David Gilmour is NOT overrated...Mr. Waters on the other hand...come on guys, get real, he cannot play bass, he cannot sing, so how can you believe he wrote everything! ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 05:44
I don't think anyone thinks Waters is on a par with Chris Squire or Geddy Lee (to name but two), but to say that he cannot play bass seems a bit exxagerated to me. As to his singing, he hasn't got a beautiful voice (neither has Gilmour, for that matter), but he's incredibly expressive. And then, in which way are playing or singing well related to songwriting ability?
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Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 06:08
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No. Not overrated. They play for the song and the mood, not to show off. They were extremely creative in the 60s & 70s, which is what progressive means. Later work was not so creative but still well crafted. ------------- Allomerus. Music with progressive intent. http://allomerus.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - http://allomerus.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 06:21
| i think dark side is pretty boring and wish you were here is only slightly better |
Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 06:34
| NO |
Posted By: Thyme Traveler
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 07:46
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Yawn.
Another is (band) overated thread.  ------------- Fire up the flux capacitor ! We're taking this Delorean through all four dimensions. What is the future of prog ? Genesis reunion ? I'm not telling!That could upset the thyme/space continuum. |
Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:45
| I think that PF are rated laterally. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 11:05
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No. next question ------------- 
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 13:47
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Since when are Saucerful, Meddle, Final Cut, and Division Bell overrated? I have always thought Saucerful and Meddle are extremely underrated! ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Goldenavatar
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 15:18
| Okay, let me get this out of the way. I LIKE Pink Floyd, but they definitely ARE overrated. It is possible to think both of those things. It is not opinion to say they are overrated as musicians, because most of them are hacks. Waters is NOT a talented musician. I'm going to guess that anyone who thinks he's a great bass player has never actually played bass. Mason is NOT an amazing drummer. Gilmour is at best a competent guitar player. Barrett...well, his talent was being a druggie. And he did do that very well. The song writing in Floyd is mostly bland and uninspired. Most of their songs are the same I-IV-V progressions over and over, occassionally throwing in a ii and vi for good measure. SO JUST ACCEPT IT! There are prog bands out there that stomp all over Floyd in EVERY aspect. This DOESN'T mean you can't like Floyd a lot! I think they have some wonderful stuff. |
Posted By: _sam_
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 16:44
I wouldn't slap you, I LOVE that song!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 16:55
| I love Pink Floyd, they came up with, in my opinion, wonderful music despite a lack of amazing musicianship (though Gilmour's good for sure). I do believe they've been somewhat over-rated by me over the years. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 04:05
i just love his voice... it really fits to their psychedelic years 68-71
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 04:05
| B.t.w i meant Waters... but gilmour is amazing too |
Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 06:51
That's right, man; don't take any sh*t from these swine. |
Posted By: oscar
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 09:03
Why do we discuss anything at all? The post included a lot of like/dislike, and humble questions..... Some people are more "If you no like...no listen."... That stops discussions ------------- Life is PROGRESSIVE |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:40
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In my opinion, the Barrett era Pink Floyd is over-rated by would-be "druggie prodigies". My favorite (and what I feel to be the deepest and most musically satisfying) time in Pink Floyd is actually after Roger Waters exerted his stranglehold on the band. I am a huge Waters fan (more of a Waters fan than a Floyd fan actually), and I find albums such as Wish You Were Here, Animals, and The Final Cut to be some of the Floyds better works. Animals is my main point, the album has great musical structure, cool instrumental pieces, good lengthy epics, and a lot of great Gilmour leads. Not to mention Rick Wright's keyboard playing is pretty powerful at a lot of times in this album (the intro to Pigs, the keyboard solos in Dogs, etc.). I dont necessarily think Pink Floyd is overrated, but I think their most well known releases (DSotM, The Wall) are. As a matter of fact, I find albums like Meddle, AMLOR, and The Division Bell to be highly underrated. I rocked the Meddle Album all through my freshman year of high school, I loved it so much, and, though I'm a firm believer in Floyd after Waters, I followed Waters much more closely than Pink Floyd after his departure. And I'm glad, for it led me to such amazing pieces of work as Amused To Death and Radio KAOS.------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |