Alert ! Bogus reviewer still at large !
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Topic: Alert ! Bogus reviewer still at large !
Posted By: Masque
Subject: Alert ! Bogus reviewer still at large !
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:13
I just noticed a string or newly posted reviews that need some investigation heres a snippet of what I noticed >>>
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:15
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whoa! aus with one!
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:28
all of those 1star / 5star reviews are crap. There is clearly an abuse here. 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:32
The reviews themselves are not abuse, except one needs to go. Also the rating is unjustified - he describes it as a 3-star album, not 1 at all
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Posted By: Progbear
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:32
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I noticed this too. Someone just keeps reposting the same reviews under different screenames and gives the albums (I guess the Top 10 albums or somesuch) one-star ratings.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:33
now really  -------------
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chamberry wrote:Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:36
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well im not really sure about the 5 star reviews but the 1 star clearly
looks like abuse to me. But look at those reviews for Porcupine Tree. edit: the 5 star reviews don't look that bad now trhat I see them clearly. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:18
Well, you can't say ALL 1 star reviews are abuse There are horrible albums as well as there are masterpieces!------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:25
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Yes, but ALL the one-star reviews lately (except for one) are for albums in the top 100. Most of them in the top 20. It's CLEARLY abuse going on. Unless you are in on it, it is very obvious... ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:28
Yes, but so are 5-star reviews. There are few albums bad enough to be worth 1 star, and there are few perfect masterpieces. These particulat two reviews follow the guidelines, and one of them will stay... it's all a matter of opinion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:50
Those Porcupine Tree reviews can't possibly be by Mandrakeroot - his English isn't that good 
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:52
Miracle, I am not talking about a REAL review. If someone truly feels that Close to the Edge or Foxtrot is worth a ONE rating then that's fine. They can review it like anyone else can. I am talking about the reviews RIGHT NOW on the front page that are OBVIOUSLY copies of reviews of In the Court of the Crimson King that are placed on albums from OTHER band's such as Porcupine Tree and Jethro Tull. THOSE need to be removed. Not legitimate and real reviews. I don't care if they are 1 star or 5 star reviews, if they are fake, they need to be removed. ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:06
| Actually, this is a problem with a site like PA when anyone can become a member, as many times as they like, and create all sorts of mischief. God knows why they should want to, but some people are like that. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:19
Oh, if you mean current ones on the front page, you're absolutely right  Andrea(MANDRAKEROOT) is one of our best known un-reviewers, His English is far from being perfect, but usually he at least tries... I really don't know what happened to him today ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:38
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Today when I opened the main page of PA I've seen lots of 1 stars reviews on about TaaB, Foxtrot, SEbtP ... the reviews are always the same... I have seen that also there are a lot of reviews on Porcupine Tree written in this way: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7289">
 Psychedelic/Space Rock (Studio Album, 2005) Avg: 4.06/5 from --- ratings http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7289 - PORCUPINE TREE "Deadwing" FOREVER CLASSIC MUSIC OF THE XX CENTURY!!!
This is another album that a time listened to... It will do it enchant yourselves some Classic Music of XX Century! It is not of evening an album Symphonic, because has a lot pf sub genre inclusive in this eternal Masterpiece. That genius Robert Fripp! "21st Century Schizoid Man including Mirrors" is a piece of Prog Metal (like a lot make note me), even if is too Prog! Large everything, but above all Fripp and Lake (listened to attentive the test of Giles at the drum, also), "I Talk To The Wind" is a sweet example of Pure Symphonic Prog, really immortal (is an of the better songs of the Crimson), "Epitaph including March For No Reason and Tomorrow And Tomorrow" is a piece to the VDGG that nevertheless can be put next to the pieces of Genesis (Gabriel Era), Gentle Giant without disfigure. And yet it is a song with a large personality! Besides it is totally different from "21st Century..." showing that the Prog has a lot (too much?) sub genre that often are alone variations of a same sub genre also to the inside of a same sub genre (hope to have expressed well the concept...). "Moonchild including The Dream and The Illusion" begins with a Jazz that in reality is not Jazz but Classic Music with a large work of Giles. Nevertheless then it it becomes too Psychedelic, improvvisation, Jazz free form, Futurism and Japanese music. Well, a sole many piece of Canterbury Scene! It Closes "The Court Of The Crimson king including The Return Of The Fire Witch and The Dance Of The Puppets" that return to the Hard Rock but if with enormous amounts of the Uriah Heep more Prog and an atmosphere a little one (but very little) more (and this is weird) cheerful. That album, mister, that album! It does not seem not even carved in 1969! For always yours, Mandrakeroot. Mandrakeroot has changed his username, but this is not the problem.
Why he have posted 6 identical reviews on Porcupine Tree when the review is really about itotCK?
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1903"> http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1903 - KING CRIMSON "In The Court Of The Crimson King"  Art Rock (Studio Album, 1969) Avg: 4.48/5 from --- ratings  by rem_bot357
FOREVER CLASSIC MUSIC OF THE XX CENTURY!!!
This is another album that a time listened to... It will do it enchant yourselves some Classic Music of XX Century! It is not of evening an album Symphonic, because has a lot pf sub genre inclusive in this eternal Masterpiece. That genius Robert Fripp! "21st Century Schizoid Man including Mirrors" is a piece of Prog Metal (like a lot make note me), even if is too Prog! Large everything, but above all Fripp and Lake (listened to attentive the test of Giles at the drum, also), "I Talk To The Wind" is a sweet example of Pure Symphonic Prog, really immortal (is an of the better songs of the Crimson), "Epitaph including March For No Reason and Tomorrow And Tomorrow" is a piece to the VDGG that nevertheless can be put next to the pieces of Genesis (Gabriel Era), Gentle Giant without disfigure. And yet it is a song with a large personality! Besides it is totally different from "21st Century..." showing that the Prog has a lot (too much?) sub genre that often are alone variations of a same sub genre also to the inside of a same sub genre (hope to have expressed well the concept...). "Moonchild including The Dream and The Illusion" begins with a Jazz that in reality is not Jazz but Classic Music with a large work of Giles. Nevertheless then it it becomes too Psychedelic, improvvisation, Jazz free form, Futurism and Japanese music. Well, a sole many piece of Canterbury Scene! It Closes "The Court Of The Crimson king including The Return Of The Fire Witch and The Dance Of The Puppets" that return to the Hard Rock but if with enormous amounts of the Uriah Heep more Prog and an atmosphere a little one (but very little) more (and this is weird) cheerful. That album, mister, that album! It does not seem not even carved in 1969! For always yours, Mandrakeroot. 
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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:52
| This must be one guy making mischief - I can't believe Mandrakeroot is doing this. There are now 4 names - James, frank, rem_bot357 and hardno_re all copying reviews and giving 1*. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:56
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:58
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In all fairness Ricochet, do we know for sure that Mandrakeroot is doing this or is this person just USING one of his ratings to copy on others. This person may have just picked Mandrakeroots review to use for his own as spam. ------------- Best of 2006 that I've heard: PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:59
I just looked up those 4 usernames in the memberlist and they don't exist. Have admin already removed them? |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 04:01
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Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 04:09
Good work devs!! As far as Mandrakeroot, I found the original review he made of King Crimson's ITCOTCK. Here is the original review: KING CRIMSON In The Court Of The Crimson King FOREVER CLASSIC MUSIC OF THE XX CENTURY!!!
This is another album that a time listened to... It will do it enchant yourselves some Classic Music of XX Century! It is not of evening an album Symphonic, because has a lot pf sub genre inclusive in this eternal Masterpiece. That genius Robert Fripp! "21st Century Schizoid Man including Mirrors" is a piece of Prog Metal (like a lot make note me), even if is too Prog! Large everything, but above all Fripp and Lake (listened to attentive the test of Giles at the drum, also), "I Talk To The Wind" is a sweet example of Pure Symphonic Prog, really immortal (is an of the better songs of the Crimson), "Epitaph including March For No Reason and Tomorrow And Tomorrow" is a piece to the VDGG that nevertheless can be put next to the pieces of Genesis (Gabriel Era), Gentle Giant without disfigure. And yet it is a song with a large personality! Besides it is totally different from "21st Century..." showing that the Prog has a lot (too much?) sub genre that often are alone variations of a same sub genre also to the inside of a same sub genre (hope to have expressed well the concept...). "Moonchild including The Dream and The Illusion" begins with a Jazz that in reality is not Jazz but Classic Music with a large work of Giles. Nevertheless then it it becomes too Psychedelic, improvvisation, Jazz free form, Futurism and Japanese music. Well, a sole many piece of Canterbury Scene! It Closes "The Court Of The Crimson king including The Return Of The Fire Witch and The Dance Of The Puppets" that return to the Hard Rock but if with enormous amounts of the Uriah Heep more Prog and an atmosphere a little one (but very little) more (and this is weird) cheerful. That album, mister, that album! It does not seem not even carved in 1969! For always yours, Mandrakeroot. Posted Monday, April 10, 2006, 05:35 EST | http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=74540 - Permanent link
^^^ Notice the date on it. Obviously someone copied this review. I sure hope it was NOT Mandrakeroot!
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by http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7121 - MANDRAKEROOT (Andrea Salvador) Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 04:15
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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7121 - MANDRAKEROOT is entirely innocent here. Someone is copying his reviews, along with others, and posting them with ratings which clearly do mot match the text. While the reviews bear different names, they are from the same IP address. I have removed the offending reviews, and will watch for any new ones. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 04:51
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sorry Mandrakeroot
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 04:51
Thanks God! I could not believe Mandrakeroot suddenly went crazy!! |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:44
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Well I PM`d (removed) yesterday and I found him very nice and pleasant to talk to .. I have a hard time believing he is capable of doing this infact I don`t think its him .. hes a nice guy
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:46
Perhaps you should delete this thread ASAP because its hurtful to the innocent 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:00
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Everyone has the facility to edit their posts. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:06
like I did with some small insults to M.   -------------
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:05
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I had also to edit the quotes, Ricco... ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 18:12
This is a blatant attempt to manipulate the ratings and both should be deleted! |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 19:32
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They were, Tony... Bob worked hard on these and several others this morning. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 00:47
True. If I just read the review, I can imagine he gives it 2 or 3 stars, but not 1.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: August 10 2006 at 08:59
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Only today I read this topic and I should say what happened at my review of ITCOTCK is really a case that does to ponder on what it is found in Internet. Also I, previously, I used other Nick Name (I admit it) but I had serious personal problems (not still of everything resolved) that carried to make those moved me. I admit it. I believe that a review, to the of it of the vow, should serve to understand how a disc is done. We take the case of "Deep Purple Live". I do not kinow if this is a bootleg or if is true how much explained myself about the copyright that expire and other things but believe that also an album with awful records should be appraised in artistic or historical sense. And it it is able to be a masterpiece. Like this is. Then I appraised it 4 stars for the quality of the records... It is not a problem. But that an arrivals to hate a person and used of the album that hates to descredit this person (beyond to the album) does not go me well. Besides the Porcupine Tree (of which I have alone "In Absentia") I is not favorite ny group, I do not understand until in fund the their Prog (that myself is not Prog) but I respect them and I admit that produce excellent music.
I respect the opinions of PA and understood when were removed album that I had introduced because the justifications were just. Nevertheless also I should admit that there are persons that do not think it so and ruin how much of voucher comes done. I is not between those. I consider myself a serious person and in a position of to admit that also in Rap/ Hip-Hop there are interesting album so like in other musical genre. And it is with this sincerity that I will continue to review Prog album and the Prog World. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 10 2006 at 09:25
I think the first thing Tony does in the morning (probably even before relieving his bladder) is check up on Rush reviews. He does once more before leaving the house, once more at morning coffee break, twice during lunch time, once in the afternoon coffee break and at least three times in the evening , the last just as he is about to hit the sack. Depending on the number of fake Rush reviews he found, he will be able to honour his wife. And if he does honour her, before diving to sleep , he will check the Archives once more.
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