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Topic: Not Progressive

Posted By: Guests
Subject: Not Progressive
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:18

I think?

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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:35

I think....this is a bad idea for a poll Ermm

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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:41

I think Mars Volta is progressive for Emo music, but there's nothing progressive about Queen.

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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:42

I'm curious how DT and SB got on here. I haven't heard Glass Hammer.

I voted for Radiohead... that's it.

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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:43

I don't understand polls like these.

And to add, how can people not think the Mars Volta are progressive? I just don't get it. What bands sound like them? They are pushing music further IMO. A breath of fresh air for prog and I mainly listen to symphonic prog and I still love it.

EDIT: You don't have to like it but that doesn't mean it's not prog.

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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 01:07

FragileDT wrote:

That confuses me too! Of the bands here, I would say Queen is the least progressive.

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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 02:52

The Who. All the others are progressive in my book.

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 03:03

Silly Poll. They're ALL progressive.

I don't understand how anyone can listen to Queen II or ANATO and say that Queen aren't progressive.

Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 03:10

Certif1ed wrote:

Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot

I have yet to meet such a person.

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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 03:58

the only non prog band here is the who imo

Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 04:08

Well the fact that this is an open ended poll means you can vote for the same band over and over so in my opinion, the poll is not valid but if I had to pick one in this list it would be The Who. All the others are progressive.

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 04:24

43% of people who have rated the album on this site, apparently.

I haven't met any of them either, but if I did, I'd have one or two questions...

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 04:29

Certif1ed wrote:

43% of people who have rated the album on this site, apparently.

I haven't met any of them either, but if I did, I'd have one or two questions...

me too! I know that many people don't follow the guidelines, but the votes are out of line even then - unless they think that SBG is better than the other Death albums.

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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 05:06

I don't like any of those bands at all, but out of them I'd say only The Who and Queen are not progressive. Radiohead isn't really progressive either, just artsy.

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 05:30

I voted for the Radiohead because to my warning you are Post Prog, lies the Who (and the Kinks) is Pre Hard Rock band (more the kinks) but in 60's were at the same time Pre Proto Prog but a lot more mattering for the future developments of the music. It does I do not believe it is worth for the Radiohead.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:12

There is nothing progressive about any of those bands.

Posted By: nowayman121
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:19

This poll brings the conclusion to me that DT is quite disliked here.

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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:33

nowayman121 wrote:

This poll brings the conclusion to me that DT is quite disliked here.

While they are disliked (not by me), this isn't representative because somebody (or a few people) have wrecked the poll via the "vote all you want" option.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:42

The rules are vote for as many bands as you like only once.

Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:55

Xenoxen wrote:

The rules are vote for as many bands as you like only once.

You really expect people to abide by that rule? No, they'll cast as many votes as needed, until the result pleases them.

BTW: More than one year ago, when I created my first poll, I also thought that the "multiple votes" feature works like you think it should.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 09:19

nowayman121 wrote:

This poll brings the conclusion to me that DT is quite disliked here.

'twas ever thus.

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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:25

Certif1ed wrote:

Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot

Wait, weren't you all that far from being one of these people?

-- Ivan

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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:41

Whoever made this poll turned on the multiple votes option, so it's probably one dickhead voting for these bands over and over again.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:17

Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

Whoever made this poll turned on the multiple votes option, so it's probably one dickhead voting for these bands over and over again.

I made this poll under the idea that you would only vote for as many bands once. I believe you are the Dickhead making multiple votes. What kind of language is dickhead? It certainly isn't dramatic enough to make a difference.

Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:53

I respect the ones that don't like Dream Theater (for me is good, and that's all).

But, non prog band??????????????????????????????????

Come on

Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 16:22

Well this poll shows the character of some of our posters here. Anyone who thinks Dream Theater, Glass Hammer, or Spock's Beard are not progressive should really reevaluate what they think progressive music is.

If Dream Thetaer isn't progressive, why don't we get rid of every progressive metal band on this site?

If the Who isn't progressive why don't we elimiate the Proto Prog categories? Well that may be a good idea.

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Posted By: A Guy
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:59

I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:10

There's nothig not prog about TMV, in fact it is the most progressive group of that list, the only problem is that there's a lot of people who hates them just because they don't understand it or think they're too noisy, so they try to attack them by saying they're not progressive.

Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:12

All the bands listed are good, but the Who is definitely not prog.

Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 23:12

so, if i want i can vote 30 times?

well, my vote goes for The Who, between that bands is the less progressive, in fact its not progressive.

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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 23:32

They are pushing music further IMO

Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!).

Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate.

TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.

Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!

Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 03:43

DeepPhreeze wrote:

They are pushing music further IMO

I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.

Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!

I think you're understanding bad what 'progressive' means, and you don't need to insult other's opinion when you're giving a different one. IMO TMV is the most progressive band playing around, i don't agree with you at all, (see, i disagree but do not insult you or your thoughts). I think that in every point TMV is far far far better than Porcupine Tree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong if you preffer PT, at all.

What i don't understand is your 'progresive' definition, how can you say that TMV isn't prog and then say that PT is prog, really, i wonder, please explain.

Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 04:24

Xenoxen wrote:

I think?

No, you don't.

Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:12

AtLossForWords wrote:

If Dream Thetaer isn't progressive, why don't we get rid of every progressive metal band on this site?

Best idea I've heard in ages!! LOL

If the Who isn't progressive why don't we elimiate the Proto Prog categories? Well that may be a good idea.

Oh dear, Queen ain't winning this yet - better slip a few more votes on .... oops, what a giveaway LOL

Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:26

Do moderators have chance (or authority) to notice and declare who (s) voted for DT? It would be entertaining to know

Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 09:17

DeepPhreeze wrote:

They are pushing music further IMO

I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.

Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!

Here's why The Mars Volta are prog. Hope you don't mind, The Miracle. Embarrassed

Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.

Cassandra Geminni. Nuff said.

Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.

They cover love revenge, life after death and fantasy(a person going through a coma is the concept of De-loused)

Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album is just "a bunch of songs".

Both of their albums have obscure and deep concepts about love, hate, revenge, etc......

Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.

Mirenda, Cassandra Geminni, L'via, and much more........

Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.

Great keyboard work, especially on FTM.

Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer Neil Peart.

All the time. Read my review for comments on their incredible musicianship

Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera, and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart

Well, no, but neither did Genesis, Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd.

An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding. Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves ever produced.

Their sleeves are masterpieces by Storm

Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 09:43

It's one giant jam session.

Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:09

Whoops! There goes Can...

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:35

I thinks Bands like - Glass Hammer, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree - These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic

TMV & Radiohead - in my Opinion they just Piece together noises and effects and call it progressive and the effects make no sense to the music or story line. An example of a good effect is when Geddy Lee sings Lenses Polarize and polarizing sound follows immediately. Their music sounds complicated, but when you throw effects, melodys, tempo changes and stops together on a whim it's becomes chaotic more than complicated. So you are just mistaking Complicated for chaotic.

TD - and other metal bands are just Heavy Metal not progressive at all. Just because they right long songs and change tempo doesn't mean they are progressive. You must be unique and different. Metal bands just aren't (i do like like heavy metal bands they are just not progressive to me)

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.

Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:45

Xenoxen wrote:

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.

It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:00

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!

But no one would experiment with a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching

Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:01

Xenoxen wrote:

I thinks Bands like - Glass Hammer, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree - These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic

I understand your point but I wouldn't put Porcupine Tree in the same category as say Spocks Beard. PT are far superior, although some of their recent material is more "mainstream".

TMV & Radiohead - in my Opinion they just Piece together noises and effects and call it progressive and the effects make no sense to the music or story line. An example of a good effect is when Geddy Lee sings Lenses Polarize and polarizing sound follows immediately. There music sounds complicated, but when you throw effects, melodys, tempo changes and stops together on a whim it's becomes chaotic more than complicated. So you are just mistaking Complicated for chaotic. Radiohead have some great tunes - actually so do TMV amidst all the "noise".

ps of the list, I voted Queen and The Who - some may make an intelectual argument for them being classed as prog, but my instinct - right or wrong - says they are not!!

Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:11

Xenoxen wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich! [IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle>

But no one would experiment with a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching

Don't say that - I've seen people eat worse combinations.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:23

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Xenoxen wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich! [IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle>

But no one would experiment with a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching

Don't say that - I've seen people eat worse combinations.

You're Right My Nephew does it for attention

Posted By: A Guy
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 12:49

DeepPhreeze wrote:

TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it,

Um... why would it take balls to criticise a band?

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Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 12:56

WHY THE HELL ARE SPOCK'S BEARD IN THERE???

Anyway my vote goes to QUEEN!

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 16:21

ivansfr0st wrote:

Certif1ed wrote:

Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align=middle>

Wait, weren't you all that far from being one of these people?

-- Ivan

My review even states quite clearly that - and I quote - "it's not Prog at all".

I'm not sure how you deduced from that that I nearly called it a masterpiece of Prog.

Maybe I should have typed it in capitals or something?

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Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 16:27

Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

I think Mars Volta is progressive for Emo music, but there's nothing progressive about Queen.

I surely agree with you....I can't understand who voted Dream Theater accusing them to be not progressive....I personally consider these statements as bullsh*t....

Anyway I'm a great Queen fan, but they're not progressive....I mean they also recorded tracks such as Innuendo or Who Wants To Live Forever which could be considered as prog....but they're not a progressive band...

I don't find prog Radiohead.

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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 19:25

These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic.

You don't understand Porcupine Tree at all.

Steve Wilson has never had to try to sound like any other band. I can honestly say that of all the big-time individual producers, Steve Wilson is one of the most diverse and organized of all. I put him up there with Todd Rundgren, Trent Reznor, and Alan Parsons. When The Sky Moves Sideways came out, it was revolutionary; there had never been a band that mixed moody and atmospheric tones with metal riffs backed by calming ambience. The entire point of PT is that it's 'soft meta' (if that makes sense).

Each album has a theme that is carried; one is about innocence stolen from youth, one is the loss of a loved one, one is about being apathetic toward life, one is about the coming of age and the classic maturity factor that everybody pretends they've always had...

And the sounds are very diverse; comparing Coma Divine to In Absentia to Lightbulb Sun to Deadwing is nearly impossible, save the fact that they've got the common British modalities and all carry with them some sort of sense of innocence.

Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 21:34

RADIOHEAD IS LESS PROG

Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:07

Ok... my work is done... I took care of DT losing this poll.... and I'll do it again (if we have the chance to vite 30 times, why not?)

Please administrator, this poll is just a waste of bandwidth, there are other useless polls (I myself have started quite a few) but at least you could vote only ONCE... here I by myself put Radiohead in the first place... please.

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