East of Eden second language
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Topic: East of Eden second language
Posted By: Fassbinder
Subject: East of Eden second language
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:08
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Ladies and gentlemen! Some days ago I have posted a question (appears below) and waited for about a week for any reaction. Silence was the answer, except for the lone reply (namely, by Fitzcarraldo (special thanks)), but it wasn't helpful as the replier is not a speaker of any of the Slavic languages.
Now I want to ask the same question for the second time; maybe, I'll be more lucky this time.
The question is as follows:
In the first East of Eden album, Mercator Projected, there is an anecdote told in a Slavic language (side B of the album; the anecdote is told between the songs). In their second album, SNAFU, there are two songs (more precisely, parts of songs) sung also in a Slavic language, probably the same (track 3, the "Xhorkom" part, and track 7, the "Habibi Baby" part).
I know what language this is not: it's surely not one of the Eastern Slavic languages (not Russian, not Ukrainian, not Byelorussian); almost surely not one of the Western Slavic languages (not Polish, not Czech, consequently, not Slovakian; the Upper and the Lower Sorbian have too little native speakers to have a chance).
Hence, it must be one of Southern Slavic languages: Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian. Which one? Does anybody know?
Also, who of the three (Nicholson, Caines, Arbus) knew the Slavic language?
I know there are some Slavic speakers in the forum. I hope someone would know the answer.
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:16
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I speak Serbo-Croatian but i never heard that album so i cant tell you what language is .Are you searching the meaning of the anecdote or simply in which language it is?All Slavic languages are similar ,i dont speak others than mine but i can tell you what language is it when i read the words. Can you post the words here so i should answer you more properly. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:28
Hah, if I had the words I wouldn't ask. I am a native Slavic speaker by myself, so, I think, I would guess. The meaning of the anecdote is less interesting than the very fact of language recognizing, though I'd like to know the meaning also, if it's possible.
Thank you anyway.
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DarioIndjic wrote:Posted By: Glori
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 05:41
| Its not properly spoken Croatian. |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 12:51
Croatian? Do you mean Serbo-Croatian?
Why not properly?
And, who had the honour?
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 17:22
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I heard the album,i really cant tell you what is the language,maybe its sung in old Slavic,i dont know... ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 17:51
You mean the second album, SNAFU, right? Since it's impossible not to recognize the native language, it's definitely not Serbo-Croatian.
The option of the Church Slavonic is great! (BTW, also the Southern Slavic language, though the dead one.)
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 17 2006 at 17:18
Well, the results after a week of waiting: 3 replies from 2 persons so far. Very intensive  .
This leads me to the following logical implications:
a) East of Eden is a Z-class band which hardly gets any attention from the forum members;
b) An overwhelming majority of the listeners just doesn't pay attention to what they listen to;
c) This is a hallucination shared by me, DarioIndjic and Glori -- there is no second language in two East of Eden albums (Mercator Projected and SNAFU), and the only language spoken in these albums is English.
 ...I know that at least two out of three of the implications are absurdic...
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 05:18
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...it seems that...nobody wants to help me...
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 11:31
| ...still no reaction... |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 11:51
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Fassbinder, I'm following this thread only 'cause I have interest in languages and linguistics, also I have SNAFU but I can't help you since my native language and those related to it are in another branch. Let's wait a bit more... don't give up!
------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 12:11
Thank you for the supporting, Atkingani! Thank you very much.
Of course, I'll wait...
I hope for the help from the Slavic speakers, I know there are some in the forum.
Also, it cannot be mistake, there is a Slavic language alongside English in both Mercator Projected and SNAFU.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 22:24
Where are the other PA's Slavic speakers: Seyo, Ivanfrost, Eugene... ? 
I heard and heard SNAFU today and I'm now very curious? Could it be some of those Slavic languages with a few thousand speakers? Remember that many people of these minorities migrated to Western Europe, North America, Australia, maybe one East Of Eden's member has roots there. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 05:09
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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 09:24
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Ha ha nice topic...
I allways thought that this a rewind singing, I mean that they did it in the studio or something like this, I thought its an english that mixed togther to some "jibrish" words. like: "zizne", or "courezal"...
this what is think about this. ( I didnt have Mercator Projected) ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 12:10
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The option of gibberish is also an interesting one, but I hope very much that it is also the wrong one, proger.
Some words vividly remind me of the notions of "life" or "little"; at least, I can say it may be Slavic pronunciation of these words. That's about SNAFU.
In Mercator Projected the speech is obviously not gibberish; it is certainly a language, but I just don't know which one.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 11:44
| ...still waiting for my saviour... |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:23
| ...no, nobody??? |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 16:45
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It seems that I'm mostly speaking with myself...
"How could you let it happen?" -- from My Room (VdGG)
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:21
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Fassbinder,
You are obviously desperate for an answer, so I asked Geoff Nicholson from the group. He told me the following:
I believe the language we used on Mercator Projected was Serbo-Croat. It was spoken by Dave Arbus who had recently graduated from Bristol University with a degree in Languages. The language on Snafu is English -we just ran the tapes backwards.
Geoff Nicholson (East of Eden) Happy now?
------------- http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=326" rel="nofollow - Read reviews by Fitzcarraldo |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:26
Yes, I am!!!
 Thousands of thanks, Fitzcarraldo! You have done the great thing.
 And I mean it absolutely seriously. Now one of the biggest mysteries (secrets?) of the Prog Rock is uncovered.
 Also, I want to thank all the visitors of this (desperate) thread who helped or tried to help: Glori, DarioIndjic, Atkingani, proger, Fitzcarraldo. Thank you all very much!
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Posted By: wingless bird
Date Posted: January 02 2008 at 11:04
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On mercator projected is spoken serbo-croatian 100%. I am from Croatia(maybe unfortunately).I'm not sure which language is spoken on Snafu. ------------- confusion will be my epitaph |
Posted By: Quakasu
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 06:42
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The language spoken on Mercator Projected is Croatian, the accent seems to be a rural north Croatian (Slavonia region probably). Here's the translation. Croat guy: "Bio je jedan čovek koji se sedio u restoranu" (There was one guy sitting in a restaurant) Translation: "There was an Irish homosexual sitting in a restaurant" Croat guy: "On je rekao: Konobaru!" (He said: Waiter!) Translation: "He said: Waiter! Waiter! This soup isn't half cold" Croat guy: "A on konobaru, on je rekao, pa nisam gladan, ništa neću" (He told the Waiter: I'm not hungry, I don't want anything) Translation: "To Which the waiter replied..." Croat guy: "A on je rekao, pa gospodin! Gospodin!" - (And he said, Well Mister! Mister!) Laughter. I suppose they had the Croat guy recorded telling them a joke of which they took cuts and pieces because this conversation (not to mention translation:) makes no sense. There  |