All time top 100 jazz albums
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Topic: All time top 100 jazz albums
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: All time top 100 jazz albums
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:31
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The British magazine Jazzwise have been very brave and compiled an all time, influential jazz albums top one hundred, in their August 2006 edition. Good to see a number of albums listed which are also listed in PA, or might be sooner or later: Bitches Brew, Heavy Weather, Inner Mounting Flame, Headhunters, Naked City, Bright Size Life, Return To Forever (the first album). MMW too. And it looks like Machine's Third is only just outside the 100.
However, there are a couple of entries with which Jazzwise have let their semantics slip, e.g. compilations of Louis Armstrong recordings made in the 20's and compilations of recordings of Hot Club De Paris made in the late 30's - i.e. recordings made well before the advent of long playing record albums. And I'm always twitchy when albums recorded only in the last few years get such inclusions, e.g. Polar Bear's last and the Bad Plus's 2003 album.
I leave you to guess what these jazz experts have nominated at postions 1, 2 and 3 - clue: straight jazz but fairly obvious selections.
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Posted By: pirkka
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:48
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I'll guess:
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
Pirkka
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:17
Cool, 2 of the three named here, but no.3 is relative toughie. (The Duke doesn't come higher than No. 14). And I forgot to metion Lifetime's Emergency is in the 100. |
pirkka wrote:Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:27
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Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Round Midnight, Cookin at the Plugged Nickel, later pop jazz recordings like Amandla because they were far superior to the Kenny Gs, Earl Klugh etc playing this music.
John Coltrane - A love supreme, Blue Train, Afro Blue suite Ascension
Roy (Eldridge) and Diz (Gillespe)
Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall, Trios and Quartets
Anything guitarists Dhango Rheinhart, Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery did
Duke Ellington at Newport. New Orleans Suite
Bix Beiderbecke recordings,
Al Dimeola - Land of the Midnight Sun, Kiss my Axe
Mahiishiveu Orchestra (John McGlauglin) - Inner Mounting Flame, Birds of Fire, lost trident sessions
Josh Redman - Everything he has done so far
Jimmy Smith - Live at the Chicken Shack and most everything else
Ornette Coleman - Live at the Golden Circle 1 and 2, Prime Time
Count Basie - Columbia recordings with Lester Young
Dave Bruebeck - Time Out
Sonny Rollins - Way out west, Saxophonist Collssus (latest stuff is great too)
Art Blakey - Caravan and recordings including Horace Silver
Jaco Pastoruis - Jaco
John Scofield - with the scolopho band, with Pat Methany
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Charlie Parker - anything without strings and no bootleg live recordings.
Sidney Bechet - mostly anything
Live at Massey Hall, Parker, Gillisphe, Max Roach, Charles Mingus.
Chet Baker/Gerry Mulligan quintet
P.S. The british label Prospro has terrific word of many of these artists in the 1930's, 40's and 50's at a great price and great notes
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Posted By: pirkka
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:34
Well how about Ornette Coleman: The Shape of Jazz To Come
Pirkka
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:44
Thanks for the tip, Dick, i'll look out for the "100 jazz albums that shook the world" edition, though i think "The Bad Plus" album you mention is brilliant and would feature high up on my top 100!!
also the "Lounge Lizards" !
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 16:45
Apologies for the errors, since I'm not copy-typist, but I've decided to give you the works:
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 16:55
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Also rans, I guess the next 25 (but not in any particular order): Bobby McFerrin: The Voice Ganelin Trio: Catalogue: Live In East Germany John Scofiled: Time On My Hands Wayne Horwitz & The President: Miracle Mile Anouar Brahem; Thimar Gary Burtion & Carla Bley: A Genuine Tong Funeral Alice Coltrane: Journey In Satchidananda Billy Cobham: Spectrum Nucleus: Elastic Rock Greg Osby: Art Forum Charlie Christian: New Solo Flight: The Genius Of Charlie Christian Erroll Garner: Concert By The Sea Larry Young: Unity James Carter: JC On The Set Ray Charles & Milt Jackson: Soul Brother Keith Jarrett: Belonging Joshua Redman: Moodswing Soweto Kinch: Conversations With The Unseen Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong: Ella & Louis Herbie Mann: Memphis Underground Miles Davis: Miles Smiles Soft Machine: Third Ralph Towner: Solstice Mose Allison: Back Country Suite Max Roach: Freedom Now Suite |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:14
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hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert. #18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a miscarriage of justice. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:06
I think it shouldbe included, although my first introduction to Brubeck remains my favourite, the Carnegie Hall live set, but as to position?????????????????????? And personally I think Time Out is relevant to a lot of early Brit proggers - it is also the original home of Take 5. But Diana Krall coming in, in the 80's???? Kind Of Blue just makes it ahead of A Love Supreme to number one (Coltrane is on both!), perhaps on the basis of it being the best selling jazz album (and there is some good reason for that wrt its music) - apparently it is still selling 5000 units per week world wide! It need more consideration but on first glance the 100 has a reasonable balance, for instance fusion is there and the Europeans are pretty well represented, as well as the mainstream. I did wonder why Escalator Over The Hill didn't make either list. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:11
| No Al DiMeola? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:15
I agree ... on a first glance with non-expert eyes I thought the list looked pretty good. I wondered if the 'prog fan' in me was the one thinking that Time Out should be bit higher. Then again... you run into ...which albums would you drop down. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:55
Where is Patricia Barber's Café Blue?????
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Posted By: arnold stirrup
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:51
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I own 30 of the albums listed, including numbers 1-12 inclusive. My own personal top 100 would include more electric Miles, Mingus, Monk, Coltrane, Dolphy, Montgomery, Mahavishnu, Return To Forever, Weather Report, and Bill Frisell, as well as albums like Shakti's A Handful Of Beauty and Joe Pass's Virtuoso. But that's just me.
The single absolutely unacceptable omission, however, is the lack of inclusion of anything by guitarist Lenny Breau. For shame.
For any newcomers to jazz though, I'd highly recommend any of the top 12, and for prog fans especially, Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch. ------------- So much music. So little time. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:53
must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review? Would be appreciated hahah. Thanks for the recommend. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: arnold stirrup
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 00:14
OK, I'll give it a shot:
Avant-garde jazz with rhythmic complexity, odd time signatures, and eerily dissonant harmonies sometimes bordering on atonality.
Yet also strangely beautiful, melodic, and playful, with beautiful timbres created by all 5 musicians, but especially vibist Bobby Hutcherson, drummer Tony Williams, and Dolphy himself on bass clarinet and flute. Amazing interplay and freedom among the musicians as well.
Demands repeated listening, and stands the test of time with amazing revelations and rewards to those willing to put forth the effort. ------------- So much music. So little time. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 08:03
I thought this thread might get moved.... Arnold... thanks a ton..... Tony Williams you say?.... say no more.... I'll keep my eyes out for this, and put it in my ....notebook hahah... of must have albums.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: arnold stirrup
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 12:21
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I knew it would be just a short matter of time before this excellent thread was relegated to the obscure "everything else" bin.
Anyway, another disc that would be impossible to leave off is Egberto Gismonti's Sanfona, a double effort that features one disc of a quartet performance (guitar/piano, bass, reeds, percussion), and another of EG solo. Kind of like a Brazilian classical/folk rooted music meets jazz thing. For those not familiar with the Brazilian composer Gismonti, he is equally astonishing on both acoustic guitar and piano.
------------- So much music. So little time. |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:47
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Heavy Weather at no. 20? Probably 'cause of its popularity but there are MUCH better Weather Report records....their first five for example. I love Jaco just as much as the next guy, but give the early band its due! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: arnold stirrup
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 09:17
 And yet another essential top 100 choice:
Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages
------------- So much music. So little time. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 05:42
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Great! This list and discussion couldn't come at a more appropriate
time for me. I've been wanting to to get into more jazz for some time
now. Been loving Soft Machine, Mahavanishnu, Magma etc... (and some jazzalbums like Bitches Brew, Time Out, A Love Supreme) a year or two, I will obviously find a lot more to love. Quite recently got: Dolphy's: Out to Lunch, Tony Williams: Emergency!, Mingus: Black Saint... and a couple of more. All fantastic! Can't wait to get into more stuff. I'll keep checking into this thread for more suggestions, and looking at the very useful list. BTW: The Tony Williams album is incredible. The production is just fine to my ears, and the singing is cool. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:42
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Please don't shoot the messager - unlike a lot of top 100s posted
in Rolling Stone, Mojo, Classic Rock etc., Jazzwise offers you a chance
to challenge their selection. They provide addresses for the following: "Write in with the recording that you think has been left out of the 100 Jazz Albums That Shock The World. Send your recommendation together with a word or two explaining why, (and of course your name & address) to :" Snails mail (for UK residents): The One That Got Away Freepost jazzwise 2(b) Gleneagle Mews Ambleside Avenue London SW16 6AE or email: [email protected] One or two of your favourites nominated above as being omitted, I will freely admit don't ring a bell, so the world shaking may have been very local....... One obvious album with a multi-national reputation that seems to be overlooked, is Carla Bley's Escalator Over The Hill. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:46
| Oh yes I agree, what the hell has happened to this thread, why has it been moved? This is mindless unnecessary movement. Surely jazz rock is part of PA, and what will influenced prog music generally? |
Posted By: YYZed
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:58
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Giant Steps is top 5 in my opinion, so is Time Out.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 06:08
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A very helpful thread. Sun Ra is brilliant. Isn't he one of the archive related artists on the list as well? Listneing to Coltrane's Impressions right now. Impressive! ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |