BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO LYRICS
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Topic: BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO LYRICS
Posted By: Spiderprog
Subject: BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO LYRICS
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 21:07
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Does anybody know where English translations of Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso lyrics can be found? |
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Posted By: Fourside
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 21:41
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Heres some http://www.arlequins.it/translations/translations.asp - http://www.arlequins.it/translations/translations.asp |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 21:50
Raffaella posted a translation of 'Canto Nomade Per Un Prigioniero Politico' some time ago... do a search you'll find it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Spiderprog wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 23:10
On that Arlequins website there are some albums translated into English (and quite well too), but not all of them. I can do some more translations if someone asks me nicely ,though you have to give me some time for it. Translating from Italian into English takes a bit more time than the other way round. |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 01:39
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I'm not completely satisfied with the translations on arlequin, but translate lyrics is really a hard work!
Usually when I write a review I spend a lot of time trying to explain the meaning of the lyrics and I use to translate some of the verses...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83885 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83885
Here you can find my translation of most of the lyrics of BMS first album... Let me know what do you think about...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 04:59
Great work, Andrea! Your translations are stunning... You're even better than I am (and that's a big admission for me to make)! Ialso liked your reference to Tolkien (being the Tolkien fan and scholar that I am) - who, BTW, has unsuspected connections to Ariosto.
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 11:06
Thank you for the "feedback"...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 11:15
| You're welcome! Are you a professional translator? |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 11:26
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The only drawback IMHO is that italian prog music was written to the sound of italian language, and English has slightly different tune (both are beautiful though) - I am not judging the quality of andrea's translations, but it is always the trouble of translation, since poetry has so many qualities: rhythm, tune, rhymes and last but not least the content, which is how it moves your heart and emotion, the inner wisdom of poetry. That is few reflections of the reader, but I have to admit that Peter Hammill's and Peter Sinfield's translations of Le Orme and PFM lyrics somehow disappointed me... ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 11:29
| Zbigniew, you are perfectly right on all counts - not being a poet, I would never even dream of translating poetry! That said, I think Andrea's aim here was to make other people able to understand what's being said by bands such as Banco or PFM. Talking of whom, Pete Sinfield did not really translate PFM's lyrics in "Chocolate Kings2 - he just plain rewrote them, missing the point completely. |
Posted By: Spiderprog
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 13:33
| Thanks a lot! I am especially interested in the lyrics to Il Sono Nato Libero. Maybe I should just learn Italian... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 13:35
| Yes, that could definitely be a good idea... However, if I have time I might do some translations and put them up here for all who are interested. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 13:38
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We'll be waiting, Raffaella! -- Ivan ------------- sig |
Posted By: Spiderprog
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 13:41
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That would be forever appreciated
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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 14:07
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Yes, clearly Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso are a jewel that makes learning italian worthy (although there are many other such things). But I think that the better the lyrics, the higher ability it requires to understand (which is starting point in translating poetry), not to say translate... I remember myself searching in great english-english dictionaries looking for words that appear in Hammill's texts - still, everything is before me in that area ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 15:09
When translating I just try to explain what the song is about: for rhythm, tunes and rhymes you have to listen to the original version!
Peter Hammill didn't really translate Le Orme's "Felona & Sorona": he made an English version that Aldo Tagliapietra clumsily sung...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 15:11
always interested... will be good suplements for my coursework... since I failed my quiz earlier haha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 15:14
This shows, my dear almost-ex-Symphonic partner, that dictionaries must not be trusted, or at least taken with a grain of salt... Unless you followed our dear Mandy's example and used an online translator! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 03 2006 at 15:17
dictionary.. since tossed out the window in embarassment hahah. I'll pick up something better tomorrow... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 12:29
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What do you think of this translation? If anyone could improve it I would be pleased...
Non mi rompete / Do not disturb Do not wake me up, please but let me have this sleep, either it's calm like that of a child or it stinks of snoozing like that of a drunk Why do you want to disturb me While I'm perhaps dreaming a winged travel upon a wagon without wheels dragged from the horses of the mistral, In the cold wind… in flight...
Do not wake me up, please but let me sleep this sleep, there's still time for the day when the eyes get drenched with tears my eyes… with tears... |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 14:53
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Could you post the original Italian lyrics - your translation is correctly written, but translation is always compared to the original ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 14:58
You can find the original lyrics on the official website, anyway...
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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 17:31
Well, I think that this is the way these lyrics would like, if the author decided to write down his idea in English... the rest is the different kind of beauty of either language. And I am not going to criticize you, but you would have had greater effect, if you have utilized consequently the beginning in third stanza, i.e. 'but let me have this sleep' instead of 'but let me sleep this sleep'. Sleep this sleep does not sound good IMHO. ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 01:13
Thanks, that's exactly the aim of a good translation...
Anyway here you can see the difference between my translation and the English version of this song on "Banco" (1975)... Usually there's always something that get lost in translations...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:34
| I prefer Andrea's version to the official one. If I were to do one myself, it would probably be very different from both. Anyway, tomorrow I'll try to find the translation I did of "Canto Nomade di un Prigioniero Politico". |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 12:00
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This thread is going to turn into independent web poetical journal ------------- yet you still have time! |
