PROGRESSIVE AND PROG?
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Topic: PROGRESSIVE AND PROG?
Posted By: ROCK GOD
Subject: PROGRESSIVE AND PROG?
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:08
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what is the difference between prog and progressive it's mean i know there's two seperate meanings, bruce dikinson of iron maiden and diamond dave a rock dj claims the both have different meanings it's really bugging me. oh by the I wish you a HAPPY NEW YEAR and hope you've all enjoyed CHRISTMAS!. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:10
1.One word is a contraction of the other.
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ROCK GOD wrote:
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:12
You're the ROCKGOD, why dont you tell me? ------------- something pretentious |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:15
1. One has 3 syllables and the other has only 1 2 prog spelled backwards is Gorp Progressive spelled backwards is Evissergorp |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:15
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Prog is the music we discuss on this site and is reviewed in the archives. Progressive is simply a broader term (in music) that refers to music that goes "above and beyond" the norm; includes e.g. Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, the Beatles. (That's my definition anyway |
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:17
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very well said. Would you include Radiohead in that list?Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:25
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Prog is a name we use to describe a music genre, which isn't always progressive (regressive prog-rock would describe styx) Cert described it well. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:44
Thanks for the vote(s) of confidence Sadly, I would not include Radiohead in that list, because they are not in the archives. You've got to draw the line somehow, and the Archives here are my adopted boundary. Fortunately they're always being added to, and the Admins are wise... |
Posted By: Sound Chaser
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:28
| To me Prog is just Progressive shortened. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:42
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i think rock god only asked the difference between progressive rock (prog rock) and progressive music. probably any structured music that is full of rythm & pattern changes can be called progressive music; ex.: anthony phillips - 1984
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:49
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The only definitions I found ambivalent are Progressive and Progressive Rock. Progressive as an adjective is a term that qualifies any band that plays music that's different than the common mainstream or a band that's simply beyond their time, like the Beatles for example. But I believe this is a misuse of the term, because many people use it to describe bands they say keep progressing (When only changing), for example some people say that Genesis was Progressive even in albums as We Can't Dance or Invissible Touch because the music is different to the early albums, something we know it's absurd. The fact that the music of a band changes from album to album has nothing to do with the genre we all love, bands like Magenta play excellent Progressive Rock that's clearly inspired in the music of the 70's and it's still part of the genre we love. Progressive Rock as a genre is the music that we usually discuss here which started it's evolution in the late 60's and has certain characteristics, like complex timing, abrupt changes, longer tracks, is non commercial, transcendence, complex lyrics, massive use of keyboards, classical influence, etc. Genre that IMO doesn't include bands like Radiohead or Coldplay Prog' is simply a contraction used by Progressive Rock fans that fans who write in forums use to save time and valuable bandwith. Iván |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 18:07
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progressive rock is music that evolved from the psychedelic era beginning 1966-67, when San Francisco went into bloom, Yorkshire glistened and Berlin found a door in the wall. It was cultivated in England in the early 70s and lasted until the mid to late 70s, spilled itself over into european continent until the mid 80s and pops its head up rarely in many of genres of music today. Its a chameleon, its a tiger with no stripes, its gasous but a solid, it has no form but you feel it. it is a concoction but not the elixir. And last but not least, neo-prog, avant garde jazz, emo, symphonic metal and post rock grew out of its stool as a poison mushroom! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 18:15
| see Ivan's for a comprehensive guide to my view. |
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:49
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: December 29 2004 at 22:13
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prog is the opposite of punk maybe? punk songs are generally short and simple with limited structure and similar riffs prog is epic well structured pieces of music that are long and have everchanging movements etc ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:23
Prog is a specific type of music,Progressive is an attitude. Therefore: Kraftwerk definitely progressive,but not prog,ELP both progressive AND prog. Wow,this is just sooo exciting.... ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:27
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------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:43
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For me, it's quite simple:
Everyone knows what "progressive" means. So the term Progressive Rock was created because the first prog bands broke new ground, tried new things and broke conventions. But over the years they created their own conventions and Prog could not longer be regarded as progressive (IMO). So Progressive Rock is nothing more than a name for a genre. There are as much progressive bands/musicians outside of the prog genre as there are inside...
So, Progressive Rock is just a name for a genre which was really progressive in the beginning... ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 07:32
Is Radiohead Gorp? ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 07:41
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Evissergorp! What a great word. If I was in a band I know what I would have called it. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Radiolaria
Date Posted: December 30 2004 at 11:07
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Evissergorp is indeed a good name for a prog group? So who's in? ------------- When 900 years you reach, look as good, you will not. |