Dredg - El Cielo > King Crimson - ITCOTCK
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Topic: Dredg - El Cielo > King Crimson - ITCOTCK
Posted By: SolariS
Subject: Dredg - El Cielo > King Crimson - ITCOTCK
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 19:13
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Or so say the ratings...     Whereas King Crimson has a very rich, diverse sound, Dredg feels very tired and repetitive. I like them for about 2 songs, but then I get bored and have to find something else to listen to. Does anybody else feel this way? Am I the only one who doesn't get Dredg? -------------  
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Posted By: mccrank_yeahrig
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 19:21
| Me neither, I think that Dredg and King Crimson cannot be compared, but it's just my opinion.... |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 19:26
you can find similarities and differences between any two bands. I was merely noting that El Cielo is considered more of a masterpiece of art rock than In the Court... (although I doubt very many people would actually consider this the case). -------------
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mccrank_yeahrig wrote:Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 19:40
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More people have heard In the Court, thus more have been able to reach the conclusion that they don't like it as much and have been able to rate it lower. There's absolutely no basis upon which to compare them whatsoever, though I personally would take El Cielo over In the Court any day, this is merely personal opinion. |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 19:55
I see it the other way around. More people have heard In the Court, thus more are able to reach the conclusion that it is a masterpiece!
Why is everyone so close minded to comparison? You can compare any 2 things. Bands don't have to sound the same to be compared. Watch: I believe that King Crimson is better than Brittney Spears. While many of her fans would disagree with me, I find that manufacturing of 'hits' detracts from my ability to take interest in her music. While it may be ok to listen to once, when given more in depth attention and criticism, the music becomes stale and even annoying. On the other hand, the complexity of a band like King Crimson makes repeated listens more enjoyable with time. Look mom, I made a comparison! And brittney spears is even more different from KC than Dredg. So don't say that you can't compare Dredg and KC. The fact that they both produce music is enough to form an opinion. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 20:19
 Couldn't agree more. I've expressed the same at these boards, but it seem we're in a minority.I like to compare and contrast. |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 20:31
| Ele Cielo is the second most overrated album on PA, Townsend's Syncestra being the first. |
Posted By: NotSoKoolAid
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 21:01
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Those who believe progrock is a style of music, rather than simply nothing more than original/experimental, are by far the minority here. These are the people that will generally focus on the classics. Classic examples: Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Camel, Caravan, Rush, and Van Der Graaf Generator.
This site has entered an age of Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Dream Theater, Marillion, IQ, Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Tool, and even the site's new little baby, little Dredgy.
Ratings work for you when you're with the majority, obviously, but theres a difference between what was considered progrock, and what is often considered progressive music today, regardless of who is correct in actuality.
Expect MANY new albums from last year, this year, and years to come to surprass Close To The Edge, Lamb Dies on Broadway, Octopus, In The Court..., Thick As A Brick, and so on.
More people on this website are here for the modern aspect. That's a blessing and a curse.
This site gets a hell of a lot more views from the new things it adds, usually modern bands/artists. On the other hand, If one is to forget where he came from, how can he say he has progressed at all in life?
Expect a wave of praise for new age "prog", now and later.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 22:10
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El Cielo is a masterpiece and I might be a little biased since I just got ITCOTCK a few days ago. Both are deserving of high praise in my opinion. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 22:40
Mmm.. i know every mind its a different world... but...why are you saying this?
I love both albums, and i dont care if El Cielo has something to do with ITCOTCK, but what im sure is that is NOT an overrated album...
You can love or hate an album or so, but say that is overrated (in this case talking about El Cielo) its an exaggeration. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 22:49
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I've seen dredg live, but don't own their albums, so I cannot really comment, but they were excellent live and I was very impressed. However, ItCotCK was my first ream prog album, so it'll also be special to me. Not only that, but it was one of the forerunners of the prog movement all together. In time, I suspect El Cielo will drop down the rankings and something new will rise up, only to fall again. That's how these things worth, generally. -------------   
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 23:12
Why? Because you don't like them? ------------- 
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 23:33
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Ratings only matter as much as you let them...
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: September 03 2006 at 23:49
To call something "Essential A Masterpiece of Progressive Music" is a bold statemnt, and suggests that any album that merits that description must be impeccable, regardless of your preferences in prog musc or in genreal. A masterpiece enatils, flawlessness, Grade A muscianship, overall its must be impeccable and enthralling.
For instance
Godbluff is a prime example poignant lyrcism and impeccable muscianship; the whole album consistent from begining to end and every song on the album is captivating. Moreover, the album is emotioanlly charged, its not too long, not too short, not pretentious, not uneventful, it is, simply, put masterful.
Thus, you have the ingredients for a masterpiece of progressive music.
The more unfortunate fact, is that if the aforementioned citeria are necessary for a a msterpiece of progressive music why do many people unwittingly brand a particular album a masterpiece, if the album lacks one or more of the citeria mentioned above.
In the realm of prog, there are universal understandings
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 00:53
Word. -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 01:20
Except Still Life is a better album. 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:24
You have to remember that what you see as flawless other might not see it as so. For example I don't see Godbluff as a masterpice, but I find Pawn Hearts to be better than Godbluff because it follows my idea of what is a better album or a masterpiece. Everyone has their own point of view on what a masterpiece is. -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:29
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Exactly, Chamberry. I myself think Still Life and Pawn Hearts are both masterpieces, yet both albums are quite a lot different in sound and that's also true progression in that sense of the world. It's all gravy. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:56
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Tired and repetitive to you, not so tired and repetitive to me. I agree with Bryan on bot points that I like El Cielo more than ITCOTCK, and that popularity matters. Look at how many negative reviews ITCOFCK has and how many El Cielo has. Last time I checked there was one 3-star review and the rest were 4-5. Don't forget that ITCHYCOCK is still #7 in the top 100 and first in art rock top 100 with its 365 ratings, and El Cielo is on 31 with 28 ratings most of which are fans. Not many enough people know Dredg to be able to rate then low, whoever knows them and takes time to review them are fans, simple as that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:57
| ^Yep. And I also agree with Bryan that I would take El Cielo over In the Court... any day. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:53
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You have to remember that what you see as flawless other might not see it as so. For example I don't see Godbluff as a masterpice, but I find Pawn Hearts to be better than Godbluff because it follows my idea of what is a better album or a masterpiece. Everyone has their own point of view on what a masterpiece is. [/QUOTE] because you are blind   ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 17:01
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El cielo and ITCOTCK are both excellent albums, each in its own way. They were records at different times, different places so not comparable to each other. I even doubt Dredg is a prog band or would define themselves as prog, whereas ITCOTCK has all the ingredients of prog and is the epitome of progressive rock.
BTW, it's not this or that album that is overrated, it's the use of the term "boring" that is overrated. I see it used each time someone doesn't like an album. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 17:57
Well, I could say that the album fails to draw any emotions inside me. Maybe that would be more descriptive, but it's synonymous with 'boring'. Sorry if that's what it is to me. I've given it a fair chance, and I can't manage to enjoy it. Would you really like me to expand on all of the reasons I dislike Dredg? -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:26
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interesting.... may have to check this one out.... great reviews I see.....
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:29
WHY YOU!!!  -------------
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