Miles Davis "Bitches Brew"
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Topic: Miles Davis "Bitches Brew"
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Subject: Miles Davis "Bitches Brew"
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 05:36
 http://www.columbiajazz.com/newsletter2/brew.html - http://www.columbiajazz.com/newsletter2/brew.html
As it's has been impossible for me to check out all classics in my youth, I got just yesterday my first listenings of this album, and got seriosly interested of it instantly!
I think it has adopted back the psychdedlic influences of jazz music to the more respected genre, and stands as a wonderful record being instrumental psychedelia and fine jazz simultaneously, creating a bridge between acid rock and free jazz.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 07:20
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Recent discussion about this http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28131&KW=brew - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28131&KW=brew |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 07:46
Since hearing a long track from this on the radio back in 1970 or 71, I've never thought there was any psychedelic element in BB. Iin fact you have to go back 3 or so years to earlier fusion of the likes of Charles Lloyd to get an idea of what serious psychedelic jazz was. WEA Records issued a couple of psychedelic jazz samplers of tracks taken from the period, in the last 5 years, I recommend you check these to give some idea of the difference. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychedelic-Jazz-Soul-Atlantic-Warner/dp/B00005RG5M/sr=1-3/qid=1158406988/ref=sr_1_3/026-5072121-7091607?ie=UTF8&s=music |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 07:56
| I rather felt 'Bitches Brew' always bore the influence of funk as played by Sly and the Family Stone than psychedelia. For me, it's always been a hard record to get into- I much prefer 'In A Silent Way' and 'Jack Johnson', the albums recorded before and after this. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 13:02
One of the ideas developed in the book Miles Beyond |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 14:38
I'll bet this is beause we probably comprehend different things with a term "psychedelic"? I associate it with free jamming, like the stuff PINK FLOYD did on stage during late 60's. In my opinion also KING CRIMSON's dark free improvisations are very psyhedelic. This kind of feeling is strongly present also on this fabulous album with these iprovised long tracks! These coloured gentlemen are casting some old African magic, but there's also a hint of late 60's rock aestethics in the sound texture of their instrumentations.
Chop, I did a search with the album's title, but it didin't bring that thread up.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 15:10
That's because the title was misspelt. It took me a while to find it again when I wanted to check something in it.  |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 16:04
| Great album, and a great cast of musicians. Always suprises me that it isn't in PA yet artistes that appeared with Miles and/or were heavily influenced by him, do - e.g. Mahavishnu (McLaughlin), Return to Forever (Corea), Weather report (Shorter/Zawinul). |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 16:28
So at least this thread fulfills the reguirements of this aspect better?
 The link you provided had interesting conversations in it.
The "Pharaoh Dance" in my CD version has some small edits in it, alas the end of the performance is hidden by a fade-out. This doesn't make the track bad, but it is not an authentic and accurate recording of the session, but an overview of a person who edited it.
The 26 min. title track is a more solid recording, progressing in a trance-like state, and the main them "casting of the bones" ritual by the bass and drums. It's a fine listening experience to monitor, how the rest of the band commit themselves to play in these parts along with the theme leaders, whilst there are probably much more impulsive changes of leading and reacting players in the mantra-like phases.
Was this also the line-up performing at the Isle of Wight 1970?
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 12:59
 I like 'Birth of the Cool' a lot too. It has more of a jazz/swing feel though. -------------  
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 12:22
Keith Jarrett, Chick Corea, Gary Bartz, Dave Holland, Jack DeJohnette and Airto Moreira
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Posted By: caskof43
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 21:55
| You've got to love the song Spanish Key. I dig So What as well! |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 05:16
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I lent my time from The Black Arts to the liner notes of the remastered CD inlay booklet, and thus realized that even those tracks which don't sound as being edited, are edited from the material recorded at the jam sessions. I first felt bit uncomfortable with this, but this was due my expectations. Actually most of the studio recordings by psychedelic jam bands, f.ex. THE SPACIOUS MIND have constructed their studio albums in this manner. After all, what else it is than a certain way of working in the studio? The music has the real playing interactions of the musicians, and the songs can be constructed to have more complex structures than 100% freeform improvisations, which I still respect most. All three ways of producing music (composing, improvising & editing improvisations) create different kind of end results!
I guess I'll have to hunt down some live recordings from 1969 and early 70's to hear this kind of stuff from Miles and his group of talented musicians. I'll find them with time from the web, but if anybody wishes to recommend some releases, I would be grateful.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 05:17
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 15:44
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Bitches Brew seems insipid and contrived to me. I listned to it anticipating fusion workout with such venerated jazz legends like McGlaughlin, Zaniwul, and Corea and got unending diplay of abandoned ideas.
I going to try Sketches of Spain and see if I can get into him.
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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 21:53
| Sketches of Spain is really good... but Bitches Brew is his masterwork in my mind. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 08:00
Live At Fillmore, I think predates the start of the Bitches recording sessions by a few months, and when I hear it just upon release I though some of it had an edge over Bitches - at least it isn't cut and paste.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 08:34
| ^ Thanks! |