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My Dying Bride

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Topic: My Dying Bride
Posted By: mrdfield
Subject: My Dying Bride
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 20:18
Hi Being rather new to prog rock/metal I am wondering does My Dying Bride have any prog style to thier music thank you 



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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 07:08
Personally I find that there are progressive tendencies in My Dying Bride's music throughout their entire career, more so on Turn Loose The Swans, The Angel And The Dark River and the Percent Album.
 
However, as I am just one of the many members of the Prog-Metal Team, I am in a minority here and, bad news, My Dying Bride has been rejected and will not appear on the site in the nearest future, although I think they would be a worthwhile, justified and completely deserving addition.


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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 07:10
Originally posted by Trickster F.

Personally I find that there are progressive tendencies in My Dying Bride's music throughout their entire career, more so on Turn Loose The Swans, The Angel And The Dark River and the Percent Album.
 

However, as I am just one of the many members of the Prog-Metal Team, I am in a minority here and, bad news, My Dying Bride has been rejected and will not appear on the site in the nearest future, although I think they would be a worthwhile, justified and completely deserving addition.

    

since you woke me up and as a metal fan myself, i can only find prog (and very little) in the % album... all the others sound just doom to me...
    

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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 07:30
The fact is, there is no such thing as pure Doom(ok, there is, but in other Doom bands but My Dying Bride). I don't normally agree with Mike on the genres and their necessity, but any band can be judged on how much they have progressive elements, elements of some specific genre and elements outside of its borders. What these borders are and how we find what is progressive and what is not is the main difficulty in our situation.
 
For example, you say My Dying Bride can be seen as simply just a Doom Metal band. But is Doom Metal something that is the opposite of progressive music? Can't Doom Metal be mixed with progressive elements, much like Death Metal and Black Metal are? For example, is Opeth's Deliverance just Death Metal? Is Emperor's Prometheus album just a typical Black Metal release? I have started a thread, which got deteriorated quickly, in which I developed the idea about each type of Metal being compatible with Prog. Of course, I talked about compatibility, rather than about the existence of some specific Metal genre that is entirely progressive.
 
Now, back to My Dying Bride. They started as a Doom Metal band, which can be seen on the very first debut album, as well as the Trinity compilation. A doom metal band, with sick, twisted, slow riffs and an obvious death metal influence, with (IMO) elements of Thrash, that they kept throughout their entire career. It is known to the fans of Doom Metal that the sound developed within MDB's music was called 'avant-garde' at the time for its nihilism, experimentation with pianos and violins and nothingarian song structures that transcended metal. However, if you ask me whether I honestly believe that the album is an avant-garde release, I will tell you that whilst it is certainly earth-shattering, it is not 'avant-garde' in the same meaning our site accepts and I consider it my duty to make decisions based on site's specific set of definitions only.
 
To sum it up, if we shuld make a conclusion on whether MDB are a progressive metal band, I'd like to ignore the fact they recorded As The Flower Withers, as I tend to think only after that things started to get really interesting, intricate, surrealistic and progressive.
 
Turn Loose The Swans was an album released before the early releases of Cynic, Opeth and Novembre, and defined Progressive Extreme Metal. Before MDB nobody besides certain 80's dark Thrash/1st wave of BM bands, whose progressiveness is not only questionable but from my point of view unlikely, could combine the concepts of beauty and extreme way of expressing emotion as well as MDB did. Turn Loose The Swans not only layed the blueprint for future compositions of bands in the likes of Opeth, but also still remains as a progressive, surrealistic, emotionally intricate and bizarre album up to this day, with violins, keyboards, horns and clean vocals making the essential core of the progressive sound.
 
I tend to look on The Angel And The Dark River(my favourite) as a continuation of Turn Loose The Swans with all the extreme expression removed and more progressive tendencies added. These two albums were way ahead of their time and I can't see how someone can not see the traits of Prog-Metal in this music. Next was Like Gods Of The Sun, with its watered down, short songs. It is quite a pleasant album, but not one the progressiveness of which I look serious on. The percent album, however, while not being done in a particularly prog-metallish way had more experimentation than ever, with bleak gothic rock songs with influenced from post-rock, avant-garde and even trip hop. As for their other albums, I think they represent the progressive qualities of MDB in the weakest way, although Voivod influenced thrash riffs and keyboards and long compositions with contrast between quiet and extreme can be found there as well. I think their newest album is not too progressive either.
 
So there, had to make the last paragraph shorter to save me time on talking about less progressive of the band's output.


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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 07:51
i read very carefully what you wrote but still i would have to disagree... all these string instruments, long tracks, piano and anything else that, indeed, reveals a certain progress - not prog - actually makes MBD kinda avant-garde... you see, % album aside, i believe that MBD are an atmospheric doom/death band all the way... MDB along with Paradise Lost and Anathema "co-founded" the genre and all three of them progressed to sth different but that doesn't make them prog... all different elements in their music exist to create the atmosphere needed, that's all...
    

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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpää
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 02:52
"Turn Loose The Swans" is quite good album, didn't TIAMAT do something similar?


Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:43
Originally posted by toolis

i read very carefully what you wrote but still i would have to disagree... all these string instruments, long tracks, piano and anything else that, indeed, reveals a certain progress - not prog - actually makes MBD kinda avant-garde... you see, % album aside, i believe that MBD are an atmospheric doom/death band all the way... MDB along with Paradise Lost and Anathema "co-founded" the genre and all three of them progressed to sth different but that doesn't make them prog... all different elements in their music exist to create the atmosphere needed, that's all...
    
 
Doom/Death all the way? What about the two albums with ZERO Death Metal contained?
 
I also can't see the logic in saying that MDB are not a prog band because they use their instruments to make a certain atmosphere. Are you trying to say that an artist is Prog only if he emphasizes his technical ability, ignoring creating the atmosphere completely? If so, I absolutely disagree.


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:22
Today I listened to "Turn Loose the Swans" again ... and I'd say that a few songs might be prog related. The whole album is "sort of" experimental ... but the song structures are way too predictable to be prog - even with the signature changes. And symphonic ... well, adding a violin and piano parts don't necessarily make something symphonic.

A decent album, but ... not prog.

Next I'll listen to the "Percent album" again ... Smile


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