Difference Between Psychedelic Rock and Space Rock
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Topic: Difference Between Psychedelic Rock and Space Rock
Posted By: Minimalist777
Subject: Difference Between Psychedelic Rock and Space Rock
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 23:36
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Hey the definition for this site seems to indicate a difference between psych rock and space rock. It also gives some examples of bands for each such as Floyd and the Ozric Tentacles for psych and Hawkwind and the English Amon Duul for space. However on Wikipedia it tends to lump Floyd, Ozrics etc. all into "space rock." So basically my question is... Is psych/space rock really two different things or is it just a very slight and rather inqonsiquential difference? Thanks for any help and God Bless, (or Goddess!) ------------- WWOSD? What Would OliverStoned Do? |
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:06
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hahaha i'm always pretty confused abt this myself....so experts pls help us out!!!!
but if u ask me on a supercial level what distinguishes the 2 are:
1 instrumentation - more electronic stuff for space, more hard-edge fried guitar tones for psych
2 concept (obviously) worn on album sleeves (Hawkwind is the best eg)
3 time of origin - psych is a v 60s thing while space seems to have emerged from 70s onwards (pls correct me if wrong)
4 drug of choice??? hehehe
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:15
I'm very clear regarding psychedelic's drug of choise; ¿but space rock more suitable substance?. That I don't know. Please elaborate on the "subject". ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
superprog wrote:Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:19
| i mean, LSD was what really characterised psych rock right? or practically CREATED it.....so what were Hawkwind on?? |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:23
Psych rock-you sit around smoking a huge bong
Space rock-you sit around in your spaceship smoking a huge bong ------------- 
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Posted By: surfdaddy
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:38
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its all space rock then! ------------- ::Just Sittin here chillin:: Robby |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 00:41
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Hi Minimalist: IMO Psychedelic and Space Oriented are two genres that shouldn't be together, I believe both were added originally in some other site because OPink Floyd evolved rom a Psychedelic to a Space band. Psychedelic is a late 60's movement in USA and UK that was the direct ancester to Prog. Rock had evolved in something more complex than originally was to a more experimental genre...BUT IT'S STILL NOT PROG. Spáce is a genre based in atmospheric and oneiric sounds, usually the keyboards were used for music and effects, probably an ancester of Electronic Prog..This is a 100% Prog sub-genre.
My two cents.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 01:52
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I don't know about the history of the establishment of these genres, but currently there is not any collaborator assigned to look after these / it, so the genre is in a slight state of anarchy. Let's look at the current categorizations: Psychedelic/Space Rock Psychedelic Progressive: Emerging in the mid-'60s, as British Invasion and folk-rock bands began expanding the sonic possibilities of their music. These groups confined themselves to the brief, concise verse-chorus-verse patterns of rock & roll, they moved toward more free-form, fluid song structures. Just as important, the groups began incorporating elements of Indian and Eastern music and free-form jazz to their sound, as well as experimenting with electronically altering instruments and voices within the studio. Bands range from early Pink Floyd, and Djam Karet, to newer artists like Phish and Ozric Tentacles. These days, psychedelic commonly informs music space rock and space fusion.
In my deviating opinion, PINK FLOYD did not evolve as a "Space rock" band, as their post-psychedelia albums after 1970 are not jam-orientated, and their sound does not correlate with HAWKWIND's style, unlike their early freeform tunes like "Interstellar Overdrive", this underlined in the "Psychedelic Progressive" definition. One suggestion would be allowing "Psychedelic Progressive" to consume "Space Progressive Rock" completelly as a part of the genre, as the "Space Progressive Rock" is stated to be the common contemporary style of "Psychedelic Progressive". I underlined this section from the last line of "Psychedelic Progressive"'s definition. This would simplify this category, and the bands bolded in "Space Progressive Rock" fit into "Psychedelic Progressive" 100% Here is the current "Psychedelic / Space Rock" artist list: http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=15 - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=15 One thing to do before a clean up woul be measuring the interfaces which the genre has with othe categories. I think these would be such: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#35 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#30 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#17 - - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#6 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#37 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#38 - Maybe also Canterbury Scene, Progressive Electronic and RIO/Avant-Prog? I'm not very experienced with these three genres. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 06:26
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as much as I agree with the two collaborators right above; I'd like to add something: Krautrock, Prog-Folk and Canterbury scene already includes what can be classified as such, no need to look for possible candidates in Space bands list. (well, there are several German bands in Space genre which actually fit in Krautrock better, but as these are already spaced-out acts, it's no wrong keeping them here) as for proto-prog; Eetu is definitely right about Pink Floyd, so I have another solution, which I already expressed to Ghost Rider (who was suggesting to abolish "proto-prog" genre completely) in another thread: let's just change this category's name to "Psychedelic Rock" so as to include mere psychedelic bands (those which were active before 1969), because all of the bands I know from the list (save Deep Purple, which must be included in a new genre as Heavy Prog) are psychedelic, this way or other... The list might even be expanded so as to include Doors, Who etc. (I know, many will object to that)
as much as Ivan is right to express that "psychedelic is not prog"; he already confesses that it was the "direct ancester to prog" (at least to certain styles; symphonic prog has little to do with psychedelia IMHO); this brings us to the very conception of "Proto-Prog".
actually most prog genres have a connection to psychedelia, even Zappa's earlier work can be classified as such. Having a seperate genre as "Psychedelia" will not ignore this connection; however pure psychedelic bands (i.e. those which did not evolve into space and other subgenres) shall remain in their respective places... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 06:58
a more apt question would be "what weren't Hawkwind on?" -------------
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:12
I can't wait to read that book I bought early this year to find out just what they were taking.
Lemmy was always openly pro drugs and sex, but apparently his RnR seemed to take a backseat to his other two activities. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:12
Psychedelia and Space rock definately belong together. In fact, space rock I believe is more a theme than a genre and can appear in many different genres. For example, space themed music has been done by Hawkwind, Monster Magnet, Arcturus and Sirius, but I would not put all four of them in the same genre. -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:34
this gets more interesting in view of the fact that Lemmy was sacked from Hawks because of his drug addiction (well, at least some consequences of his addiction) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:38
| ^ He got separated from the band during a tour as he was arrested due possession of drugs. Why the band didn't take him back as he got free, remains mystery to me. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:43
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apparently things got bitter between them, with or without the dugs...
the real mystery to me is that how could Lemmy use a Hawkwind title as the name and launching single for his new band?!?!?!? weren't there some kind of enmity? (besides, motörhead's style is completely different than that of hawkwind... maybe Lemmy wasn't even content with the band's direction, anyway!) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 08:05
Lemmy was arrested in canada when Hawkwind was doing a North American tour. Initially, the police thought it was either cocaine or heroin, which would have been a felony drug possession. It turned out to be another drug that was actually a misdemeanor possession. The band initially all wanted to fire Lemmy, fearing his drug abuse would jeopardise their tour of the USA, but during the band meeting began to balk. Nik Turner, who was getting sick and tired of everybody wanting to do something and then backing out of it, issued the ultimatum that they either stick by this decision or he would leave. So Lemmy was fired.
This is from what I read in Kris Tait's THIS IS HAWKWIND DO NOT PANIC and from various interviews with Hawkwind. -------------
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 08:53
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Porcupine Tree should be moved to Art-Rock in my opinion. They were psychedelic at the start of their career, and have always had some psychedelic tendensies, yes. But they've compassed so many different genres, and that's the trademark of an art-rock band. Sorry if I got a little of subject. -------------  You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 13:10
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I love that.Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 16:51
Maybe he used the name Motörhead because its slang for a speed user... which is exactly what he and the rest of the band are?  Makes sense to me. |
Posted By: Zoot Allures
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 21:47
  ------------- The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. - Hunter S. Thompson |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 04:25
------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 05:00
Why not let "Psychedelic prog" consume "Space rock" completelly? It is after all a sub genre of "Psychedelic rock", or at least I comprehend it so.
  I quess Hawkwind, Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace and Amon Düül (the English lineup) fit to "Psychedelic rock" just fine too. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 12:55
I honestly believe that Proto Prog is differet to Psychedelia.
Proto Prog has elements both of Psychedelia (In most cases) and of Progressive Rock (Also in most cases, in others only influential).
But it's crucial in the understanding Prog, you can't understand a genre or almost anything if you don't understand their proto history before, Proto Prog is really the logical step in evolution from Psyche to Prog.
But at the end I believe a genre called Psychedelia/Proto Prog would work well.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 01 2006 at 02:27
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I suggest, let the proto-prog be there as it is, but what could be done is defining where does the line go dividing "Psychedelic prog" and "Proto prog". I recall Alucard suggested a genr called "West coast psych", and maybe this stuff could be included in the proto prog. I'm not sure if there's a collab for proto prog yet named?
Also "Space rock" could be just included as a part of "Psychedelia", as Hawkwind and Amon Düül can be described as Psych easily.
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