Led Zep Poll (hot)
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Topic: Led Zep Poll (hot)
Posted By: Uther
Subject: Led Zep Poll (hot)
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 14:12
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GREETINGS ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 14:59
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In my mind they pretty much defy classification. They were certainly
progressive in some ways, and some of their tunes are excellent Art
Rock, though over-all they're not Prog enough for this site. However, if Cream gets in as Proto-Prog or Prog Related I want Led Zeppelin in as Prog Related. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:02
| Proto Prog, I would call them. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:07
 I think the best idea I've heard so far was that of having a separate section for bands and artists like Cream, Led Zep or Hendrix, who, while not being really prog, have had a significant influence on the genre. In my opinion, that would be a better classification than the controversial Proto-Prog, or the far too vague Prog-Related. |
Philéas wrote:Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:13
Wise reply Ghost man...the aim of this poll is to get some ideas about it and maybe get some consensus...prog related is obvious and maybe some people could want to lean toward some categories 
Come people, vote! ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:15
You must be new here.  |
Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:23
yes i am...Whats the matter man, i don't give a damn  ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:27
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I think we have to come up with some simple generic term that says-
Proto Prog (Classic hard rock pioneers who influenced Progressive music in some or other way)
Hopefully in my lifetime
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:27
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Don't worry at all... The thing is, I'm a woman! Strange but true..
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Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:33
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My apologies! my lady ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:34
Agreed!
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:37
| Well, I love Led Zep but they only have a few prog-related tracks, not enough for them to be prog-anything in my book. I'm not even sure they even influenced any prog bands. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:43
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^^^ Agreed, I just can't see fit attaching the label "prog" to LZ. I think they did just fine without it, too. |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 17:33
| Aren't there any "not prog" voting options? |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 17:51
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Led Zep aren't progressive, that's a certainty. (don't bother bringing up individual songs, for that shouldn't cut the cake)
I am in favour of adding them under Prog-related, but solely because of their influence on other bands, so likelyness to Led Zepp is no reason to get in, since being influenced by Led doesn't make a band progressive, it's the influence of Led Zep to already progressive bands that counts.
so an earlier comment about if Cream get's in, so should Led Zeppelin should be discarded as an invalid argument. and indeed as the post above me says, a vote for non-progressive should be possible also. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 18:01
ever heard Amon Düül II, if there aren't resemblences between the two bands I'll eat my hat, Rush uses many influences, and not just on their first four albums, influence continuoes in the 80's and reemerges without being away really in the nineties and still is a part of Rush currently.
Deep purple owes Led Zep a great deal of gratitude for opening their niche, so does uriah heep.
Yes would never have sounded like they did without bands like Led Zep showing the strength of combining electric and accoustic guitars, Jethro Tull would never have created Aqualung or Thick as a brick if it wasn't for their relation with Led Zep.
Of course some of those bands (especially tull) influenced Led Zep also.
but The led zep influence is heard in practically all bands that rose to fame in the early seventies, and it continous to this day.
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: October 14 2006 at 20:28
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none of the above: not even remotely prog is the answer ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 06:40
Cheers to you Ghost Rider!
There is an ongoing discussion about establishing a genre that would fit the artists you mentioned and I would totally support for inclusion. Heavy-Prog. I'd chance to say that the only objections are because of the extra work involved, having to extricate other performers from other genres...?
I thorougly dislike the term Proto as it's been applied to many genuinely progressive artists. Prog-Related is somewhat less offensive, but still not to the point.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 06:55
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any tagging else than prog-related (or art-rock, maybe) is both deceiving the PA and diminishing Zepp's stature in rock (and quite insulting to the fans). [Is Stairway to Heaven prog-hard-rock? Is Carouselambra Prog-Blues? Or, is The Song Remains the Same prog-rock-folk? Or how about No Quarter as prog-ethnic folk? Maybe Achilles Last Stand qualifies as straight prog-folk! and mind you, these are all progressive masterpices.] ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 11:40
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Prog... Prog... Hard (Heavy) Prog or Prog Blues... But Prog!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 11:43
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They are all at once: Folk-Rock, Blues-Rock, Rock & Roll, Hard-Blues Rock, Hard Rock, Blues... But Prog!!!??? That's the silliest thing i've heard  |
Posted By: bryantm3
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 09:04
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i've said it before, and i'll say it again: if UW doesn't get in, LZ shouldn't get in. i do think that a lot of their stuff is pretty proggy, but so is UW's stuff. if they can be so discriminating to shut out UW, they should also shut out LZ. the only reason that this is getting so much support is that LZ is a really popular band. if no one had ever heard of them, and someone put up some samples, they'd probably be rejected cos no one would care. double standard! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:00
WE have also said this many times. Every band is considered on its own merits. There is no 'if x then y' argument about it. By the way, I'm not getting the initials. Who is UW? The University of Wisconsin? ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: bryantm3
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 14:01
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underworld. my point is that led zeppelin has as much in common with prog as underworld does, it's just led zeppelin is getting added because they're more popular. however, underworld is on the opposite side of the prog spectrum, as led zeppelin is rock with prog, underworld tends to be more electronic with prog. but they're both about the same prog-ness i guess. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 02:59
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Zeppelin has usually been considered as a Hard Rock band, even a precursor to Heavy Metal (they're cited as one of the first 3 Heavy Metal bands, along with Sabbath and Purple)
But there are also other sources which include them in the list of progressive rock musicians: http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-progressive-rock-musicians - http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-progressive-rock-musicians look at this quotation:
To my understanding, Led Zep has a handful of really prog songs (spent the previous weekend listening to their 4 CD box set...) but Tuxon mentioned strong connections to other acclaimed prog-bands; especially Rush is notable.
It wouldn't kill me if LZ was included in either prog-related, or, in case established, Heavy prog... Not proto, because they are not in the same vein as the other proto-prog psychedelic acts...
btw, look at the list in the link I gave... Blind Faith is also there!!! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: bryantm3
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 18:18
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is blind faith not on this website? someone must be out of their fcking mind! |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 21:01
...something all truly "progressive" bands should do by definition. LZ is progressive but not "prog". -------------  
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 21:13
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I heard Geddy Lee describe some of his progressive influences. He named Yes and specifically mentioned the album Time and a Word. He also went on to talk about the heavy influence of Led Zeppelin and even said that they (Led Zeppelin) were progressive in a way because they pushed the limits, etc. One of my favorite bands of all time. I could certainly support a prog-related or some other category that includes them here. They were a huge influence on some of the greatest bands on this site. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 04:05
Blind Faith, along with many similar jam bands, is not yet in this site. I'd be happy to see them anyway, but it wouldn't kill me if not, because strong objections might be raised against them... (like, they were a blues band in the first place!)
If a section such as "progressive blues" migfht be opened, they would be the foremost candidate, though! Especially after the 2 CD special edition; the second CD consists of mind-f..ing improvisations!
and I will keep on using the proposition to add them in the archives as my running gag! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 04:07
And it even continues throughout the rest of their discography, as tuxon rightfully stated in the previous page.... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 04:09
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I wonder if we'll be seeing categoies such as
prog-disco
prog-rap
prog-big band sound
appearing soon....
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 11:43
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what is it with "prog" and progressive.... is "prog" really a noun on it's own? ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 12:18
Ah, heck. Let's just add them so I can get a couple hundred reviews of Led Zeppelin 4 that will give me insights into songs I have heard 9,000 times.
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 12:40
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^ Exactly.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 15:53
Well they have been approved so probably it won't be long before you get that! (or perhaps  ) |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 15:58
Please tell me this is a cruel and inhumane joke. Please? I love LZ, but would be against them being on PA. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |