Wich band must be added in prog related a
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Topic: Wich band must be added in prog related a
Posted By: Uther
Subject: Wich band must be added in prog related a
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:50
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:55
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:55
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LED ZEPPELIN, of course ------------- 
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Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:57
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the poll sufered sabotage end of topic
i will make it soon
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:10
Led Zeppelin will be added because mailto:M@X - M@X rules and time is on our side 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:24
Metallica is the band that most immediately follows from Iron Maiden ... then Judas Priest, then Megadeth.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:26
| Led Zeppelin isn't progressive. All of their songs are blues and have the same verse/chorus structure, even their longer songs. Also very simple music with no time signature changes or anything like that. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:34
Then what was the signature of "The Crunge" again? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Sasquamo wrote:Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:42
Sasquamo, everybody has the right to post on this site, everybody has the right to give his opinion but you make a fool out of yourself to say that Led Zeppelin made simple music .. What's your intention: to shock, to express some anger, to challenge in order to get attention ... ? Really a 24-carat ridiculous post ..... just listen to Kashmir, No Quarter, Trampled Underfoot .. to name a few compositions with time signatures that sound way more complex than the blues
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 16:58
Now,now Erik...everyone's entitled to an opinion! No,you are right!  Everyone's entitled to an informed opinion!  |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:10
| Prog Related should be removed, Proto-Prog aswell. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:15
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may i suggest a solution for the "endless enigma"? let there be a mass poll for the 100 best progrock (including proto, metal, fusion, art, post, neo, related) songs, having as entrance condition not the previous inclusion of the band in the PA, but the progressive music of the song. this way, zepp, sabbath, maiden, metal, etc. fans will have their way&satisfaction, without having to alterate the original idea of the PA, and also merituos bands (from the perspective of the PA) like zepp&others will have the deserved recognition. what do you say? ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:16
Maybe Phileas should be removed!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:37
Have a look in the Cream thread in the Suggest New Bands section if you are interested in why I think the way I do. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:42
Well we certainly aren't going to remove them based on an unqualified statement... this is a discussion forum why not discuss why they should be removed  |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:46
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I think that Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath deserve to be added under the prog-related category.
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:49
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I have to agree with Led Zep, but haven't heard enough Sabbath to make a decision. What's their proggiest?
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 19:18
I agree!!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 19:33
ahhhh... wise words indeed... and let me warp them as is my nature Bands shouldn't be added on unqualied statements and meaningless votes.... this is a discussion forum why not discuss why they should be added..... I would be most interested to know why people consider the two protagonists of this thread.. Zeppelin and Sabbath as prog related, and whether meerly being a progressive artist ... is enough to be considered Prog Realted here. Iron Maiden was shown to be prog related.... figure these two ^ should be as well. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 19:53
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I think largely because they (Zep, Purple (already in) and Sabbath) were around at the same time as a lot of the seventies big prog bands.(So everyone took or influenced each other in a subtle way)
Sabbath for songs like Warning, The Wizard, Air Dance etc
Zep for songs like No Quarter, a few off "In through the out door" etc
Also because most progheads have at least one or two of these bands in their collection...
I Knew you would see reason Micky, thanks in advance
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:09
hahhahah... I do love reason... and the give and take of debate.... personally I have serious issues with either being here. Sabbath most of all ...for this simple bit of....reason.
give credit where credit is due on that one... my two cents.. for what it's worth...that's ^ game set and match against Sabbath being here period. and you know my thoughts on Zeppelin. I just want to see people come up with some reasons... and how about something other that a few songs... unless we are going to included damn near every rock group from the 70's the experimented with some odd time sigs and an epic or two. If the site chooses to be THAT inclusive... you could honestly stop thinking of this place as prog archives and start calling it something like 'classic rock' archives. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:20
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I suppose Sabbath could only fit under a genre like "proto prog metal"
Hmm that is where my claim falls to the ground
I have much stronger arguments for Rainbow (will team up with Raffaella for that one and unleash a frightening attack) and of course the father of all things prog related...Bowie...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:25
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IMHO, all of this endless Iron Maiden, Zeppelin, Bowie (& whoever else), prog metal inclusion issues, prog metal team changes, etc rancor, hurt feelings, indecision, squabbling, insulting and confusion is because:
1. "Prog" and "progressive" are silly, outdated, hopelessly vague and subjective terms.
They are all but USELESS as a means to categorize anything but a late 60s - early 70s movement in rock.
2. Music itself is a very subjective, emotive thing -- no two of us hears it quite the same (it passes through each of our own unique "filters"), so it cannot be adequately encompassed, quantified or "measured" with universal words or numbers. We like to approach it scientifically/mathmetically but it isn't science or math!
3. People who are passionate about music love to argue, it seems, and they can get quite incensed when their version of "the truth" is challenged. (Perhaps, paradoxically, what most unites us is a certain obsessive, argumentive, "my taste is superior" character trait -- call it a flaw, if you like.)
These categorization and inclusion/exclusion issues will NEVER, EVER go away or be satisfactorily resolved. They can only be resolved privately, in your own mind -- in your own collection.
Face it: all but some very obscure "prog" bands have long since been included here (but we want almost everything we like to be included here, so that it can have equal "value.") We are now busy re-writing history, "uniting" diverse music and diverse, sometimes downright inimical fanbases by the most tenuous of connections.
Cramming everyone and everything into a bewildering series of overlapping boxes, all within a larger, but somehow wall-less & invisible box, conflict is inevitable and the very vague, subjective notion of the categorization of art is the reason. We are trying to hold wind and water in a net!
Jazz, country, Celtic, folk, rap, blues, disco, reggae, punk, metal, even rock -- these categories are much more intuitive, and broadly accepted and delineated. But what the HECK is "prog" in the context of this site and its very diverse, multi-generational membership?
If you accept the fact of the hopelessness of seeking concensus on the "precise" categorization of art, it becomes easier to sit back and just watch the fireworks. Wheeee! Look at 'em go!
(The preceding was version # 547.5 of my usual anarchic, lone-wolf, "non-productive" post!)  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:31
exactly... that's the only circumstance I could see Sabbath in PA's..... in some sort of proto facet. I don't think there is any support for expanding the notion of it. Remember I brought that up during the IM debate for the collabs to think over... and I got one response.. and if I remember right.. it wasn't in the positive hahahahhaha. Rainbow is a 'won' fight... it just needs to be fought.... Bowie is my baby ....... and he is not PR.... that fight is a ways off though.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:37
hahahhah... well this is version #2 of me applauding your sentiments.. however there is a system here Peter.. and as much as I'd love to change it and have worked TO change it... we can either choose to work within the existing framework (while of course trying to subvert them to our own purposes )
or not work at all. Either is perfectly acceptable to me. Again I
agree with you and work to eliminate the subjective nature of the
catagorizations here. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:51
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I can relate to Peter Rideout´s post, sometimes all this categorization gets a bit too much!
@micky, as you will see by my Bowie poll in "Suggest Bands" the commoners are getting quite restless and I have severe doubts that they will be held back by one insolent little general
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 20:59
ahhhh... but like life ..here on PA's even the generals..have their masters... and have been instucted to lay off for a bit and concentrate on the master list. I've got 4 bands I'm working on adding now. Besides I'm sure most of those people couldn't name 5 Bowie albums much less accurately describe his music. I"m sitting that debate out for now. Let it rest for now.. he's not going anywhere... and won't be considered for inclusion for awhile here. When he is.. he'll be included.. trust me ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 21:02
 Notice that I'm not on any team, or a mod. I get enough stress and discord (not to mention work) in my real life!Hats off to those of you
 "It's metal!" "It's prog!" "It's classic rock!" "It's prog-related!"^ The rare (except here) push-me-pull-you: full of crap, hot air, and getting nowhere fast.
PS: When the HECK are those intrusive descriptions (one of which STILL contains a non-word!) which accompany the ratings going to be dumped, and when, oh when, will we get our long-awaited half stars?
Now that addition would truly be progressive....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 21:10
You mean "completionists"...well if we can invent new music genres,invent the idea that the likes of ELO are Prog ( @Mickey) then we can also invent some new words. Besides Peter,eveyone knows what it means so, maybe, it will become part of everyday use: Dad: Why havent you finished washing the dishes? Daughter: Oh, dad! Stop being such a completionist! 
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Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 23:41
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Led Zeppelin is prog-related. They're also awesome, but that wasn't really the question. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 02:48
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Megadeth - doubt it
Black Sabbath - v. much doubt it
Led Zeppelin - ouch! a real hot potato (or should i say "hot dog" !!
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 03:12
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after led zeppelin lets add madonna, I find her music insightful and very progressive. Listen to her album "Music" if you doubt it. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 03:16
Indeed they are... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 10:53
If you had looked at the last post before you posted...
You will find my arguments there. |