Tangerine Drean Vs Kraftwerk
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Topic: Tangerine Drean Vs Kraftwerk
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: Tangerine Drean Vs Kraftwerk
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 10:59
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Tangerine dream or Kraftwerk? ------------- 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:05
| Both For Me |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:08
| Both. Tangerine Dream has released more albums than Kraftwerk. And Kraftwerk became more accessible after The man Machine album. TD remained true to their style and made more adventurous music than Kraftwerk. IMHO. |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:12
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Tangerine Dream were always more progressive than Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk were often quite pop orientated. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:20
I never ever liked Kraftwerk.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:35
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Both but TD is a little better.
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 12:29
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I like them both, but voted for TD. More albums, and a better approach in every way. In fact, Kraftwerk is only good to me in their first 4 albums (well, I still enjoy the rest of their '70's stuff, but...) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 12:35
| I'm afraid I have nver heard anything remotely "progressive" from either of these artists - each to his own. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 12:41
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Love Tangerine Dream, can't stomach Kraftwerk. ------------- sig |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 13:27
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You cant compare TD with Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk sound was minimalistic,monotonious and cold ,the only track i find important of them is Autobahn simply for the historical importance and proggier sound.Tangerine Dream is the best electronic band of all time. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 15:22
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Tangerine Dream |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 15:51
| I like Tangerine Dream more, but Kraftwerk is not bad either. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 16:50
I don't know TD, but hope to soon, but his description of Kraftwerk is accurate (other than downplaying the greatness of the Autobahn song).
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DarioIndjic wrote:Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 18:04
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I only heard Autobahn once and I didn't like it at all. If I had to make a comparison from the first album I've heard from both bands I would go with Tangerine Dream (Tangram).
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 18:16
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Both especially TD, as Bilek said Kraftwerk's first four LP's are better, also KW first 4 LPs are more Progressive compared to their latter Techno Pop music.
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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 18:28
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tangerine dream
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 20:07
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I don't believe there is a band called "Tangerine Drean (sic)." But if there were, they'd get my vote...
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 20:18
Tangerine Dream for sure 
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 02:34
I just realised that I forgot Organisation LP... With it, that makes 5 albums
 !and Techno Pop stuff: even before hearing their earlier albums, I bumped into Robots video in my mp3 disc and listened to Man Machine album... even then, I sensed a sort of progressiveness... That said, I believe KW makes the best of that sh*tty music called techno-pop  !------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 03:03
Tangerine Dream. to be honest I know little about Kraftwerk so mayeb I shouldn't vote
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Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 03:35
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I was about to vote for TD only when I saw that they were winning the poll hands down, which I think is a bit unfair. Personally I prefer TD (yesterday I listened to Phaedra and Atem after a long time, tonight I'll probably pick Rubycon and the 1974 concert from the orange boxset... yummm!) but recently the f*?king mad krautrock completionist in me made me buy some Kraftwerk cds and I find they are excellent. I had (fond) memories of the hits they had in the late 70s, so the "pop" side of Trans-Europa Express and Die Mensch-Maschine (I was lucky enough to get the German version at a very good price) doesn't bother me at all.
Cold, metallic, minimal but essential. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 03:36
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Have to go with TD here.
But Jarreboy PWNS'em both!  ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 09:10
"Progressiveness" or "pop-orientation" doesn't necessary mean "bettter" or "worse". I like both bands and voted for both, although I slightly prefer Kraftwerk - they are more "German"  Perhaps the best Tangerine Dream albums are better than the best Kraftwerk albums, but at their lowest point KW made accessible yet unusual pop albums, while the rest of TD's career is just horrible. ------------- |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 09:17
You have obviously never heard the two first Kraftwerk albums! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 12:56
 there are so good albums outside the classic sphere. And I don't say this as the great fan I am. -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:02
^^Please... you must be aware that I am also a great fan of their '70's works, but many agree that their post-Franke work simply sucks  ... Even they themselves came close to admitting it ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:05
citation needed
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:12
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I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.
meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have  )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff )------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:20
Tyger isn't that bad. And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes. But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music. Oh, forgot Goblin's Club. -------------
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:20
| kraftwerk is repetitive and simple, i prefer tangerine dream |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:08
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Tangerine Dream ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:56
Tyger is a good album..the last one TD made that I can enjoy.Goblins Club starts well but descends into the sort of aimless nonsense that littered so many later TD albums.That said I did enjoy TD when I saw them play live about 10 years ago.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:59
Goblin's Club is full of sense, those pieces may have simply...let you cold. a better creation nonetheless than 70% of the 90s music.  -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 16:00
who voted for "hate", by the way? 
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 18:57
| Tangerine Dream by miles and miles. They are far more atmospheric, and not as repetetive as Kraftwerk. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 14 2006 at 20:53
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Kraftwerk, but only because I like cycling.
both are great actually, Germany hosts many great electronic bands of which TD and Kraftwerk are just 2 amongst many, though arguable they are amongst the best in the field (not forgetting bands like Cluster, Schulze, Popul Vuh, Neu!(which is a spring off band of kraftwerk really) and some others I do not dare to mention since others will if required). It's great music if you like it. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 02:49
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^^Popol Vuh electronic!?!?!?!?!?
you must not have looked beyond their second album
...getting back to the topic:
ricochet: It's easy to understand some people hating both TD and KW, as well as the whole electronic scene in general, because most rockers (even proggers amongst them) take all kind of electronic driven music at face value, not giving heed to the psychedelic roots behind it: like the Ash Ra Tempel heritage in Schulze's music. Not to mention the fact that all artists/bands mentioned so far are acquired tastes. Not everyone is patient as much as you or me to acquire it
...lastly: I boldly argue that Tangerine Dream is the very best in the field, having heard most of the stuff from every band in tuxon's list, as well as other renowned figures such as Vangelis and Jarre. Of course this is my humble opinion; but this is backed up by the fact that TD is at least the most popular band among all
 ...I forgot to bring the chm file I mentioned; apparently they ommited that section from the site. I promise, I'll post the quote as soon as I find! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Trky_Lym
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 03:59
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You people are SO ghetto, Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk are both awesome!!!
A better poll would of been Tangerine Dream vs. Klaus Schulze or Kraftwerk vs. Yellow Magic Orchestra. -------------  |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 09:39
till then, I won't believe you. the very best? perhaps, perhaps not. they're nonetheless of an elite form. -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 02:59
^^It's a clever way of making reference .. You don't have to believe me in any case; I said they came close, not they admitted it . Here's the citation (from the "focus the facts" section in the early version of the official site - emphasis original...):
actually the writing goes on, but it twists in a way that it proves me wrong
 ... actually there are very interesting remarks and information in the FAQ section, which are not available in the present version of the site. I have the entire site (with the exception of forum, of course!) compiled in a *.chm file, along with a russian TD biography and a comprehensive fan site (Tangerine Realm - Stephan's Tangerine Dream Homepage). I can send the file to whoever wants, just frop me a PM and give your mail address... (the file is 7 MB's)as for TD's being the best in their field: you have your nick from one of their (magnificent) albums, and you still say perhaps?!?!? shame on you!
(as I said, it's a matter of opinion, and TD was the most popular in their field, and still the best -despite their "disliked" albums!- to my liking) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:02
okay, I don't get the sense of Tangerine Dream saying they're "sucky". They only guide people to keep it quiet if they don't like it.
now, hold on, I never ever said that Ricochet isn't the best album ever (generally, that is). -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:21
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^^ Read carefully what I had written: "they came close to admitting they might have made awful music " of course, you may not expect an artist to bash his own work, but their attitude to suggest their fans to "buy whatever they like" is sort of an admission that they might have done "not so good" music
I didn't say Ricochet is the best album (or best TD album) ever... (and you yourself admit that it is
) I made a reference to your nick, which surely reflects your admiration for TD, and still saying that they are "perhaps" the best band in progessive electronic genre!!! Man, look at the other members with band/artist/album name nicks: The Whistler almost adores Tull (represented in his signature), hammill admitted he could never be objective about VdGG (though he's missing from the forum about a year) etc... Why don't you just admit your affiliance with Tangerine Dream ?!?!? TD rules!what a mixed post it is... in the first part I'm trying to prove TD sucks, and in the second part I say they rock ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:25
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okay man! Tangerine Dream rule!!!!!!! just about after Klaus Schulze  !
sort of. but it's still an allusion towards the best and not towards saying the worst. -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:46
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you're still on subtle word plays! this way you're gonna have to change your nick to Moondawn, Cyborg, or whatever your favorite Schulze album is
I admit the allusion towards the better side of their music, which they never explicitly admitted anyway! My point was the "sort of" part you also sensed, and I think I proved it in the end
my offer to send the *.chm file (to whoever wants) is still valid. It includes very interesting remarks on FAQ's, which are missing in the new version of the site as far as I could see... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:49
I am most certainly not. I expressed the two truths I know and believe in...  and just guaranteed to anyone daring enough to follow this long, interesting discussion...what's to be guaranteed. PM moi with the *chm (how do I operate with it, by the way), with the reminder of what's supposed to be. And now, should we conclude this side discussion, in order to get back to real statistics?( which in three words, means "T D pawnage". )that, or simply expect someone else to post their opinion. P.S.: I noticed I haven't actually voted in this poll (meaning to push the submit button over at the votes). Would it count anymore? P.S. (one more): I think Ricochet'll stay, despite anything. -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 11:27
you are. you're still indicating Schulze in smaller fonts
. I like his works, too, btw...
upcoming
(I cannot send the file via PM. I need your mail address) *.chm file is the sort of help files, found in almost every program. Instead, the sections are web pages, this enables to compile an entire site into one single file.
I vote for the latter, my friend
.. as much as I enjoyed it...
You should... despite the fact that TD is a mile ahead
; who klnows what tomorrow may bring  ?
Hehe... I'm not really sure if it's possible to change it anyway. Thats why I'm here with my own name, that's something wich is the least likely to change through my entire life
(among all my tastes, musical inclinations, favorite bands/albums etc...)now I leave the room for new votes and ideas.... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: muffley_mirkin
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:08
| TD, no contest!!! |