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Topic: Steely Dan
Posted By: E-Dub
Subject: Steely Dan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 08:13
Awesome band! Your favorite? Torn between Aja and The Royal Scam.
E
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 09:42
All their work is top notch but AJA is so good it's what I consider the best LP produced in the 70s.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 12:08
In my opinion, there are no bad Steely Dan albums. "Aja" is what I consider to be a perfect album. However, "Countdown" is my favorite. It has a lot of sentimental value.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 12:10
Chicapah wrote:
All their work is top notch but AJA is so good it's what I consider the best LP produced in the 70s. |
And Steve Gadd's drumming towards the latter part of the title track is sublime.
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Posted By: tdbark
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 14:23
Has to be Aja.... I feel like Deacon Blues a lot these days... ;)
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Posted By: willy
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 14:46
Aja, for the works of one of my favorite drummers, Steve Gadd.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:05
Royal Scam, their deepest followed by Pretzelogic
then Countdown, then Aja
Cant Buy A Thrill, Katy Lied and Gaucho are about even for various reasons.
Fagen and Becker named the band for a steam-powered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo - dildo in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Burroughs - William Burroughs novel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch - Naked Lunch . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan#_note-0 - [1]
The Naked Lunch
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Naked Lunch is considered Burroughs' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminal_work - seminal work , and one of the landmark publications in the history of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_literature - American literature . Extremely controversial in both its subject matter and its use of often ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity - obscene ' language (something Burroughs recognized and intended), the book was banned in many regions of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - United States , and was one of the last American books to actually be put on trial for obscenity. The book was banned by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Massachusetts - Boston courts in 1962 due to obscenity (notably child murder in pedophilic acts), but that decision was reversed in a landmark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966 - 1966 opinion by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Supreme_Judicial_Court - Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court . This was the last major literary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship - censorship battle in the U.S. The Appeals Court found the book did not violate obscenity statutes; the hearing included http://www.artdamage.com/wsb/trial.htm - testimony in support of the work by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg - Allen Ginsberg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mailer - Norman Mailer .
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959 - 1959 sections of the manuscript were published in a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago - University of Chicago student run publication The Big Table. The edition was not well received, and caused the university administration to fire the student editors. When the editor Paul Carroll published BIG TABLE Magazine (Issue No. 1, Spring 1959) on his own accord, he was found guilty of sending obscene material through the U.S. mail for including "Ten Episodes from 'Naked Lunch'", a piece of writing the Judicial Officer for the United States Postal Service deemed "undisciplined prose, far more akin to the early work of experimental adolescents than to anything of literary merit" and initially judged it as nonmailable under the provisions of Section 1461, Title 18, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code - United States Code . ( http://www.poetrycenter.org/about/perspectives/usps.html - The Big Table court decision )
Upon publication, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove_Press - Grove Press added to the book supplementary material regarding the censorship battle as well as an article written by Burroughs on the topic of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_addiction - drug addiction . In 2002, a "restored text" edition of Naked Lunch was published, with some new and previously suppressed material added.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naked_Lunch&action=edit§ion=2 - edit ] Plot summary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler_warning - Spoiler warning : Plot and/or ending details follow.
Naked Lunch consists of many loosely related vignettes in which several characters such as the sadistic, sociopathic and borderline incompetent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benway - Dr. Benway reappear. The primary character (one might say the main character) is agent Bill Lee (a pseudonym for Burroughs — Lee was his mother's maiden name; Burroughs also appears in Kerouac's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Road - On the Road as "Old Bull Lee" and used the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonym - pseudonym William Lee for his first novel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkie_%28novel%29 - Junkie , and for his second novel, Queer).
The book's structure anticipates the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-up_technique - cut-up technique Burroughs would later employ in novels such as the so-called " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nova_Trilogy - Nova Trilogy " ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soft_Machine - The Soft Machine , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ticket_That_Exploded - The Ticket That Exploded , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Express - Nova Express ). The stories draw from his experiences in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangiers - Tangiers and his life in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - America and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico - Mexico , as well as a tour through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America - South America he undertook after accidentally shooting his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_wife - common-law wife http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Vollmer - Joan Vollmer in the head while supposedly playing a drunken game of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell - William Tell . Throughout this period he became addicted to several drugs (notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin - heroin and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine - morphine ). The novel's mix of taboo fantasies, peculiar creatures (like the predatory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugwump_%28disambiguation%29 - Mugwumps ), and eccentric personalities all serve to unmask mechanisms and processes of control. Burroughs explains the title as “a frozen moment when everyone sees what is at the end of the fork.” The title was suggested by Burroughs's friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kerouac - Jack Kerouac . The novel is a particularly grand illustration of Burroughs's skill with dialogue. Poet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg - Allen Ginsberg , Burroughs' close friend and sometime lover, refers to Naked Lunch in his introduction to his epic poem " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howl - Howl ".
The book contains what is generally considered to be some of Burroughs' most memorable and quoted passages. One of the most quoted is a section (or, to use Burroughs' terminology, a "routine") known as "The Talking Asshole". This story-within-a-story involves a man who teaches his anal orifice to talk, a trick he soon regrets when it develops a personality and mind of its own and eventually takes over the man's body. The man is eventually incapable of doing anything other than consuming and excreting, becoming an "all-purpose blob." The anecdote serves as a symbol of material consumerism, which, like a man teaching his asshole to talk started with good intentions but ultimately ended in lobotomizing the population. The man is eventually stripped of his free-will, doubt, and reasoning, and can only serve as a more efficient consumer. The man is to represent society, who's been offered hopeful capitalism at the expense of being brainwashed by the media in order to forward the capital. Notable recordings and performances of this routine include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa - Frank Zappa reading it during 1978's http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Nova_Convention&action=edit - The Nova Convention (it was recorded and released by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorno_Poetry_Systems - Giorno Poetry Systems ), by Burroughs himself in his mid-1990s CD http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spare_Ass_Annie_and_Other_Tales&action=edit - Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales , and it is quoted virtually verbatim by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Weller - Peter Weller 's character in the film version of Naked Lunch.
Several characters would reappear in many later works, most notably the surgeon Dr. Benway, Clem Snide "the Private Asshole", and Inspector Lee. In 1989, Burroughs published http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interzone_%28book%29 - Interzone , a collection of short stories and other writings including a chapter entitled "WORD" that at one time was considered for inclusion in Naked Lunch. According to some sources, Burroughs original title for the novel Naked Lunch was also Interzone.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naked_Lunch&action=edit§ion=3 - edit ] Interpretation
The redeeming literary merit of the work is found in the biting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire - satire and social criticism many of these episodes contain. Burroughs digests the modern American mind and spits out a wild, almost repulsive parade of images and characters that encapsulate the current state of the 20th century. From the seedy abortionist who solicits pregnant women on the street, to the racist County Clerk who represents rural intolerance, to the macho father who buys a prostitute for his fifteen year old son on his birthday, only to discover the kid literally got a "piece of ass", Naked Lunch exposes the under workings of the American experience, and shows the beginnings of a social pathology and hypocrisy that would erupt in the 1960s as a 'culture war'. Burroughs himself found the material disturbing to write, but also a cleansing of his life-long frustrations and unconsciously repressed experiences.
On a more specific level, Naked Lunch protests the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty - death penalty . In Burroughs' Deposition: A Testiomony Concerning A Sickness, perhaps the most shocking and pornographic section of the book, "the Blue Movies" (appearing in the vignette A.J.'s Annual Party) is deemed "a tract against capital punishment." Within "the Blue Movies," three overtly sexual adolescents take part in hanging one another, wherein Burroughs lewdly mocks by incorporating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-erotic_asphyxiation - auto-erotic asphyxiation .
Using believable metaphors representing addiction (most notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin - heroin , along with medical practice [Benway resorting to subway abortions after having his license revoked] and even homosexuality), Burroughs repudiates America's consumerist post-World War II state, and the overall human addiction to control. Unfortunately because of its absurdity and strong drug content, many readers misinterperet Naked Lunch as merely a drug novel written by a delusional addict.
The Junky's Christmas is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_in_film - 1993 short http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymation - claymation film directed by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nick_Donkin&action=edit - Nick Donkin and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melodie_McDaniel&action=edit - Melodie McDaniel . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs - William S. Burroughs wrote the story and narrates the film. The story originally appeared in the 1989 collection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interzone_%28book%29 - Interzone and the recording of Burroughs reading the story was also released on the CD http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spare_Ass_Annie_and_Other_Tales&action=edit - Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales .
The film was produced by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Ford_Coppola - Francis Ford Coppola . The film is scheduled for DVD release in North America on Nov. 21, 2006. http://www.amazon.ca/Junkys-Christmas-William-S-Burroughs/dp/B000HIVIQ0/sr=8-1/qid=1162842088/ref=sr_1_1/702-3109297-7232818?ie=UTF8&s=dvd - [1]
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:11
Will go with most and vote for Aja.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:19
Of what I've heard from them; Gaucho.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:23
hahah. I LOVE Steely Dan polls...
best - Aha.. a flawless album IHMO
favorite.. Katy Lied.
agree with HT as well, there simply were no bad or subpar SD albums.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:26
DallasBryan wrote:
Fagen and Becker named the band for a steam-powered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo - dildo in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Burroughs - William Burroughs novel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_Dan#_note-0 -
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:44
SHOW BIZ KIDS (Countdown to Esctasy)
CHORUS: While the poor people sleepin' With the shade on the light While the poor people sleepin' All the stars come out at night
After closing time At the Guernsey Fair I detect the El Supremo From the room at the top of the stairs Well I've been around the world And I've been in the Washington Zoo And in all my travels As the facts unravel I've found this to be true
CHORUS
They got the house on the corner With the rug inside They got the booze they need All that money can buy They got the shapely bods They got the Steely Dan T-shirt And for the coup-de-gras They're outrageous
CHORUS
Show biz kids making movies Of themselves you know they Don't give a f**k about anybody else
CHORUS
ANY MAJOR DUDE WILL TELL YOU (Pretzelogic)
I never seen you looking so bad my funky one You tell me that your superfine mind has come undone
CHORUS: Any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again When the demon is at your door In the morning it won't be there no more Any major dude will tell you
Have you ever seen a squonk's tears? Well, look at mine The people on the street have all seen better times
CHORUS
I can tell you all I know, the where to go, the what to do You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you
CHORUS
THROUGH WITH BUZZ (Pretzelogic)
He takes all my money You know I'm through with Buzz Yes I'm through with Buzz, All right, oh yeah, uh huh
He's not very funny You know I'm through with Buzz Yes I'm through with Buzz, All right, oh yeah, uh huh
I remember when he stole my girl Drug her all around the world You know I'm cool, yes I feel alright 'Cept when I'm in my room and it's late at night
Maybe he's a fairy You know I'm through with Buzz Yes I'm through with Buzz All right, oh yeah, uh huh, all right
SIGN IN STRANGER (Royal Scam)
Have you heard about the boom on Mizar Five People got to shout to stay alive They don't even have policeman one Doesn't matter where you been or what you've done Do you have a dark spot on your past Leave it to my man he'll fix it fast Pepe has a scar from ear to ear He will make your mug shots disappear
CHORUS: You zombie Be born again my friend Won't you sign in stranger
Do you like to take a yo-yo for a ride Zombie I can see you're qualified Walk around collecting Turkish union dues They will call you sir and shine your shoes Or maybe you would like to see the show You'll enjoy the Cafe D'Escargot Folks are in a line around the block Just to see her do the can-can-Jacques
CHORUS
EVERYTHING YOU DID (Royal Scam)
Where did the b*****d run Is he still around Now you gotta tell me everything you did baby I'm gonna get a gun Shoot the lover down Are you gonna tell me everything you did baby
Traces are everywhere In our happy home Now you better tell me everything you did baby I jumped out of my easy chair It was not my own Now I want to hear about everything you did baby
I never knew you You were a roller skater You gonna show me later Turn up the Eagles the neighbors are listening
You know how people talk I wonder what they say I think you better tell me everything you did baby
I never knew you You were a roller skater You gonna show me later
You never came to me When you were so inclined Yes you could have told me everything you did baby I know where baby's at I know your filthy mind Now you're gonna do me everything you did baby
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:50
hahahha.. Excellent DB. Fagen was a CRIMINALLY underrated lyricist.
my favorite .. from a favorite... an ode to Porn movies...
Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been
CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last
Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight
CHORUS
Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine
CHORUS
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:57
probably the best with hidden metaphor!
true genius
pulp fiction
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:00
DallasBryan wrote:
probably the best with hidden metaphor!
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exactly... 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:06
Pretzel Logic
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:09
Zappa88 wrote:
Pretzel Logic |
I love that album.. the title track is in my top 5 fav SC songs...
pausing Teliof... and putting in Pretzel Logic.. good call 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:10
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:12
ever listen to the best of Stealers Wheel? not bad, scotlands answer to CSN, a little more Steve Miller than Steely Dan, but some similarities. England? hmmm, Ray Davies(the Kinks) best is a bit tongue n' cheek! I love Demon Alcohol from Muswell Hillbillies, the Kinks greatest accomplishment to my yank ears!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:22
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:31
E-Dub wrote:
Awesome band! Your favorite? Torn between Aja and The Royal Scam.
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I feel like this too...both are as near to perfect in their different ways as any record can be. Aja is probably their definitive musical statement, but in the end I had to go for Royal Scam as it's the one I love the most. Both those records remain streets ahead of the game in terms of musical and lyrical sophistaction - not bad thirty years later.
Not to come on all fanboyish but they are my favourite band in the whole world ever...
By the way, I just found out that all seven of the pre-hiatus albums are being released in Japanese limited edition cardboard-sleeve format on 14th March. Tempted to spring for the whole set...making this the third time I'll have bought the catalogue (originally purchased on cassette tape in the eighties). I suppose this really does make an elderly fanboy 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:35
trust me Muswell Hillbillies is a different can of worms and ALL rock fans should have a copy, you will freak, it is GREAT! Stealers Wheel's best of will make you wonder why they werent ALL WORLD, ala Stevie Nicks' Fleetwood Mac. THESE ARE MUSTS, trust me MICK, have I ever misled you?
Veteran Cosmic Rockers never die they just ascend to a higher plane. 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:44
DallasBryan wrote:
trust me Muswell Hillbillies is a different can of
worms and ALL rock fans should have a copy, you will freak, it is
GREAT! Stealers Wheel's best of will make you wonder why they werent
ALL WORLD, ala Stevie Nicks' Fleetwood Mac. THESE ARE MUSTS, trust me
MICK, have I ever misled you?
Veteran Cosmic Rockers never die they just ascend to a higher plane. 
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going back years now ... you never have ... I'll check them out.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:53
David Bowie's albums Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs are great, good photo collage, Mickster!
gimpster on the down low.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:58
DallasBryan wrote:
David Bowie's albums Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs are great, good photo collage, Mickster!
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thanks... damn great albums they certainly are
keep on Gimpin' hahhaha
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 20:12
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 20:15
William S. Burroughs is the best.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 20:18
Chevy was the drummer in a band they formed while in college in New York. A friend of mine used to attend Chevy's bashes in California in the 70's. She was part of Joe Camp's flim crew that filmed Chevy in early films such as Benji, about a dog.
Chevy's living room always had a candydish full of coke with various lenghts of silver straws laying close by and his business card had the dramatic jesters face of a smiling and frowning mask in black background and white masks. I spent a few days here and there in his presence, nuff said. 
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Posted By: gong
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 02:02
bhikkhu wrote:
In my opinion, there are no bad Steely Dan albums. "Aja" is what I consider to be a perfect album. However, "Countdown" is my favorite. It has a lot of sentimental value. |
i agree.
any Steely Dan album from that list is awesome, and special. all that albums are mastepieces.
for example, when i choose that Royal Scam as my fav, istantly Aja comes in mind, as Pretzel Logic or Live in America (not on the list), or - Everything Must Go...........Steely Dan is magick, great timeless Art!
rgds!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 10:18
DallasBryan wrote:
trust me Muswell Hillbillies is a different can of worms and ALL rock fans should have a copy, you will freak, it is GREAT! Stealers Wheel's best of will make you wonder why they werent ALL WORLD, ala Stevie Nicks' Fleetwood Mac. THESE ARE MUSTS, trust me MICK, have I ever misled you?
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Ah, at last another "Muswell" fan. That album is absolutely wonderful.
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