Prog Punk???Ermm
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Topic: Prog Punk???Ermm
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: Prog Punk???Ermm
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:22
The sub-genre must exist, I'm told so today in one of England's 'newspapers of quality' the London Times. Specifically Steve Jelbert reviewing an album What's The Time Mr Wolf? (and being awarded 4 stars from 5!) by the Noisettes, he calls the band "London's most imaginative prog-punk trio". Having no idea what the band sound like, opinions based on hearing this band would be welcomed. Or is the use of 'prog' as off-centre as when it was used a couple of years ago in 'prog-trance'?
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:27
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Yeah, it would perfectly pair some other categories like prog-teeth brushing, prog-vacuum cleaning, prog-burping and other related musical activities.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:33
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I think it's just a misnomer, in a same vain as in progressive house. If there is/was any prog-punk, the whole thing happened in 80s with XTC, PublicImageLimited and Stranglers. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:38
Ditto.
And the whole thing should be included in this site under Prog-Related, togheter with Prog-Blues, Prog-Electronic, Jazz-Fusion and Folk-Rock. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
clarke2001 wrote:Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:38
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all hail the mighty CARDIACS!!!!
plus: NOMEANSNO early STRANGLERS KILLING JOKE some TUBES NINA HAGEN BAND (germany, late 70s) anyone else? ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:48
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Inner City Unit definitely were what I would call "prog punk".
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Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:51
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A band I discover recently: RUINS.
Of what I know (not that much i guess), it sound pretty punk and pretty prog to me.
When you name XTC (and Talk Talk i guess) I think you're confusing with post-punk genre, like joy division and all the bands from early 80's.
I think RUINS keep the spirit of punk (something people refer to the band as Avant-Punk, guess in a sense of "avant-garde").
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:51
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Prog & Punk? Maybe Ruins from Japan
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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:52
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Canadian band Grim Skunk ,from Montreal.
They mix classical,metal and raw energy punk.
The drama and epic quality of prog with the ''take no prisonners'' attitude of punk--must be heard to believe.
Try their self-titled album,they even do a cover of Uriah Heep's Look at Yourself.
Great Hammond chops,sort of a modern twist on the Purple/Heep/Rooster formula.
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Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:52
WOW!  Come togheter  ------------- Only sick music makes money today. - Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900) |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 08:12
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I don't think they can exist together as prog (as progressive rock) is quite different from punk (as punk rock). If you can see on the page of the definition of prog rock (which I believe you have), prog rock is all about technical stuff while punk is a music "that anyone can play". By the way sorry for my "too-seriousness"  ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 08:18
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I'm surprised no one's brought up The Mars Volta yet, as they're usually labelled as prog with punk tendencies...although other than the amount of energy and hard-edgedness I don't see the correlation myself ------------- 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:22
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Yup TMV is with no doubt prog punk. and meby thats why they are so hated around here.. ------------- 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:26
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I wouldn't have called Ruins punk - if you wanted to call them something other than j-zeuhl you could throw out noise rock or some other useless term. ;)
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:40
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Here an example of the prog-punk of Inner City Unit on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCRH7_nTVIk&mode=related&search= - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCRH7_nTVIk&mode=related&search= ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:52
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Prog-frenchrap 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:58
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I think THE MARS VOLTA are definetly prog-punk,and also COHEED and CAMBRIA were described in Rolling Stone magazine as being a punk band who plays a prog style. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:58
I have all three TMV albums, and I really see very little punk in them, except for the occasional fast-and-furious riff. Even their phenomenal debut album, "De-loused in the Comatorium", had very little connection with their emo past - except for the high-energy approach that you rightly mentioned. |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:02
| The Cardiacs? |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:03
One could also mention the other quintessential Montreal band Groovy Aardvark. A mix of hard rocking prog with a punk attitude, with top notch musicianship. Definitely worth checking out. Especially their first album, 'Eater's Digest'. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:08
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This are two different genres, Punk was Prog destroyer in 70s. I don't think it should be considered for an inclusion ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:16
Sadly the destroyer of Prog was Prog itself and not Punk. Prog had become self-indulgent; Punk provided a well-needed ass-kick for Prog. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:17
I would support you BF on that. BTW back to my original question at the start of this thread: does anybody know the Noisettes' music, (the best my daughter will say is "they're good!" but hasn't anything to listen to), to consider this claim of prog-punk? ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 09:07
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Punk is just aggressive and fast music. The mars volta are clearly prog punk. De-loused is 100% prog punk, in fact the punk tendencies are by far the strongest on that album. Songs like Inertiatic ESP are pretty much straight forward punk with the exception of the end. It's funny how that is their most liked album when its clearly the most punk and least prog out of their 3.
Some American bands like thrice and rx bandits could also be considered prog punk. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 09:10
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does that make motorhead, along with all black or power metal, punk? punk's an ethos ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: progreviews
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 12:21
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To me the epitome of "prog-punk" as it were is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_%28band%29%20 - The Work (with Tim Hodgkinson from Henry Cow). ------------- http://www.progreviews.com/"> 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 06:38
Saturday afternoon my local record shop gave me a pre-release preview of the Noisettes (released official yeserday): neither prog or punk are musical terms that come to mind sampling the first three tracks. So back to who provoked this thread off in the first place: a London Times reviewer seemingly with little sense of either genre. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 06:47
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How about bands such as This Heat and Massacre? I think the term prog-punk sounds entirely reasonable when describing these groups.
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Posted By: progreviews
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 12:17
Agreed! ------------- http://www.progreviews.com/">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 12:28
I am glad you got the answer you were looking for Dick even though you found it yourself. You had to of course as every single post in this thread has no relation to your original question. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 12:53
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Snowdog - do you realise what is one of the most popular threads on PA: Tangents (which I regret to say I was the initiator)? I'll admit I do it myself - sometimes- but too often follow-up correspondence is so off beam, I wonder if only the thread title has been read, but none of the subsequent reponses (and clearly the longer the thread progresses, the likelyhood of reading all there is lessened). Currently trying come up witha really ambiguous thread title, which might attract the worse sorts of off-tangentness - with a body craving from a proper meal the best in 3 minutes of tired thinking: Yes, was Banks the genesis of early prog? ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 20:05
Punk consists of 3 chords and fast backbeat.. sometimes fore... but I don't see an oxymoron in "prog-punk".. just not likely for me to take notice from it ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 07 2007 at 19:00
Coheed and Cambria comes right to mind. Not exactly punk though  -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 07 2007 at 19:40
I agree with Ghost Rider's thoughts on the "Mars Volta being punk prog" subject. Their punk influence are clearly felt at their "fast-and-furious riff" parts, but thats it. In my opinion they have more to do with psychedelic prog than punk prog specially their debut, De-loused in the Comatorium. ------------- 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 21:26
This statement is just flat out wrong. Punk may have started with few chords, but some of the biggest punk bands of the recent years write songs in many, many chords. Take NOFX as the biggest example. They are the modern definition of punk (or a good punk band) and don't always use conventional chords, rarely just 3 or 4 too. They use a lot of 7ths and 9ths, jazz chords and all that. Listen to the song "One Million Miles an Hour, Fast Asleep" by the RX Bandits. Better yet, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoguUFjjXJQ - RX Bandits LIVE- Only for the night Rx Bandits "single" (self produced distributed and recorded on their own label, if you consider that a single) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq0j2Ot1NHo - ...And the Battle Begun If RX bandits aren't prog/punk/reggae than I don't know what is. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 05:22
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Even the Sex Pistols Johnnie Rotten (aka Lyden) Public Image Limited Compact Disc, admitted with some significant input from Bill Laswell, is a very interesting fusion of personalities , musical style, players, etc. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 13:57
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i think prog-punk isn't impossible. take for example ruins, it's not punk, but sometimes it's much punkish Prog can be anything. And of course there can be folk punk (is there another name for it), or punk with other spices.. I don't consider punk so small genre, or death of progressive music ------------- 
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 21:07
Well of course if you take the definition of rock music you wonder how prog could be called rock.. but the most basic punk is based on that.. some can make inflexions of the style indeed ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 01:12
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I think that original RIO band Etron Fou Leloublan was fairly close to "prog-punk;" often the arrangement was of powerchords played loudly by the bassist, who would shout (in a rather punk-like manner) the vocals, while the saxaphonist (a new one every week!) would squeek away, and the drummer would play very, very strange beats underneath. It really does sound like a punk band crossed Henry Cow or a similar group. -------------   |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 11:27
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Sonic Youth (everything after kill your idols/confussion its sex and before Murray Street) Butthole Surfers (ealier albums and the last one) Neu!? (maybe the punk songs from them i am not sure) Swans? (after their Body to body job to job but before the folk years)
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 11:44
I second that. And I love Cardiacs. ------------- ĦBeware of the Bee! |