Do you like Miles Davis?
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Topic: Do you like Miles Davis?
Posted By: almc2242
Subject: Do you like Miles Davis?
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:36
Some people say that Fusion was developed thanks to Miles Davis. 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:40
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Some people are right. Personally I love him. He's one of the top musicians in history from any genre.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:42
And those people are right!  ------------- 
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almc2242 wrote:Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:42
| Bitches Brew is in my top 5 desert island discs.. hell yeah I like him! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:45
Hmmm, who voted no?  What's not to like about Miles Davis? In A Silent Way and Bitches Brew are indeed fusion classics. Of course, his 1960s stuff was pretty cool too. -------------   
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:46
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Well, if we had a progressive jazz subcategory, Miles would be number one there. I've accumulated more hours of Miles music than any other artist in my CD collection even though progressive rock makes up about 90% of my collection. Of course the number of prog musicians who played with him before they went into prog is just amazing. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:46
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i'll repeat myself from the vdgg thread: sure, why not? ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:48
Your signature is a bit misleading, Zac... 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:51
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I popped in Some Kind of Blue, reportedly one of the best albums ever, and gave it a listen. Not really my type of thing. This was some years back, but I don't know how I'd feel about Davis now. Silly as it is, I enjoy Rippingtons-esque, upbeat smooth jazz more than any other kind of jazz.
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:52
In what way? Ich liebe es  .------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:53
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Just the way his right (left on the photo) hand is positioned...
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:57
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^Hahahaha, now that you mention it..... still a great cover ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:04
Stay away from Bitches Brew then. Maybe try Someday My Prince Will Come. I'm not up as much on the Rippingtons to make the right suggestion. Miles never had a set style so there's often a bit here or there to appeal to just about anybody, but much food for the ear for those with an open minded one. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:09
Kind Of Blue is a great JAZZ record.
If you get a chance, listen to Bitches Brew, In A Silent Way, Jack Johnson, or Big Fun.
These albums are a completely different world. These are great FUSION records.
I can't promise that you'll like them of course, especially if you are into smoother styles of jazz.
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Posted By: Lex C
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:10
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Yeah I have 3 gigs of miles on my computer, (he isnt necassarily my favorite he just has more material than my favorites out there) I cant get enough though.
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:10
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yeah I like him, So what? http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4FAKRpUCYY ------------- |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:12
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He also did Porgy & Bess, but I've not heard it, so I cannot say if it's any good, but it's an earlier album, so I doubt it's fusion.
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:14
what's with the attitude?
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:15
um- im joking? The name of a famous song- check out the link ------------- |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:15
It's most definitely NOT fusion!!
 It's a BIg Band Jazz record
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:16
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Aye, but Stonie may like it.
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:18
oops... I get it now
 good one!
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:19
all good bro  ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:20
| 'Miles Smiles' is my fave. Though he may have sparked the fusion flame, I don't think he ever really did any jazz-rock records in the 60s. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:26
Not in the 60's, no.
In A Silent Way was recorded in Feb '69, but it is still very Jazz-ish.
Bitches Brew was recorded in Aug '69, but not released until 1970.
Everything else was 1970-1975 for him.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:44
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Exactly, and in fact the first jazz rock record in its totality has to be Tony Williams' Emergency in 1969 which predates even Mahavishnu by two years... credit where credit is due. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:47
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Nucleus - Elastic Rock was released in 1970, an essential album for all loves of jazz fusion.
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 23:01
I must respectfully disagree!
I think that "In A Silent Way" was the first fusion record, even though it is not as hard core as "Lifetime" or "Bitches Brew". Tony Williams played drums on the album, and it clearly inspired him when he recorded "Lifetime 3 months later.
All of this is academic though. They are both great albums and should be equally respected. This debate could go on as long as the first prog album debate!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 23:10
| Excellent... without healthy disagreement where would we be |
Posted By: enteredwinter
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 23:16
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I guess my avatar gives my answer away. I started a thread in the non-prog section recently titled something like "Miles Davis - Top 5 Albums". A lot of people gave some great advice there about their favorites, I recommend you search for the thread if you're interested in getting into his stuff. EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33585 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33585 ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 23:17
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Yeah I like him. he be da bomb. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 23:49
I would agree with you Walker. Miles' first fusion record was definitely In A Silent Way for me, and it's a masterpiece at that! It's not as well defined as Bitches Brew or Lifetime but it sure is fusion. Maybe, proto-fusion. .
With that said I love Miles. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 00:29
Kind Of Blue took me longer than any prog album to get into. I think you should try revisiting it. It's not my kind of music, but it spoke to me after enough time. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 03:31
Now I know who to blame!
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 04:35
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I had the occasion to listen to two of his (probable not very important) albums, they were Tutu and Kind of Blue if I'm not wrong. I didn't like it at all and the trumpet's specific sound annoyed me to tears. Torture for me, so my vote goes for "no, or not yet" - that's because I intend to give him some more tries. It wouldn't be the first time that I may get into something I initially hated, and I think that the fact that in between I discovered jazzrock is an advantage. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 05:24
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Was priviliged to see Miles Davis live in concert not long before he died.I was 4 rows back from the stage.He still had it then.From a fusion point of view people are forgetting the other big one -Live Evil. Very much a partner to Bitches Brew with John Mclaughlin on guitar.
A recent addition to my collection is the DVD "miles electric : a different kind of blue ".An outstanding doco about Miles' famous Isle of Wight festival appearance in 1970. Really shows how fusion fit in to a rock festival. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 07:10
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Yes Yes Yes |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 08:54
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I like his work, but only fusion period.
Tribute to Jack Johnson is my favorite. In a silent way was birth of jazz rock.
Herbie Hancock formed Headhunters
John Mclauglin and Cobham Mahavishnu orchestra
Wayne shorter and Jozef Zawinul Weather report
Chick Corea formed Return to forever
Tonny Williams Tonny Williams lifetime
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 08:59
If by 'developed' the original poster had meant 'started', then some people are wrong. Ask Dick Heath for the details. And yeah, I like MD. Not my favourite jazz guy, but plenty of great music from him for sure. |
Posted By: LarryCanary
Date Posted: February 09 2007 at 22:51
| Sketches of Spain is very good stuff |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 01:03
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I've been listening to more Jazz than Prog. latley. Miles and Eric Dolphy have been invading my ears nonstop for a few weeks now.
This guy is probably my favorite in the fusion genre along with Mahavishnu. Miles on the Corner is awesome with McLaughlin on it.
"I've changed music four or five times. What have you done of any importance other than be white?" Davis attended a reception in honor of Ray Charles at Ronald Reagan' s White House in 1987. This was his reply to a Washington society lady seated next to him who had asked him what he had done to be invited. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 06:17
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'Like' is too mild a word. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 06:41
I thought we had stopped regurgitating such poorly researched statements. I'll take "made it mainstream"; read Stuart Nicholson's Jazz Rock: A History for a considered viewpoint. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 09:21
yes i like the 69-75 stuff  And kind of blue is pretty good 2 i gues ------------- 
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 19:41
| Yes. Yes i do. Yes i do like Miles Davis. Indeed. Uh-huh. Correct. |
Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 14:00
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I love his music, so I voted yes!!! Bitches Brew is indeed widely regarded as the first fusion/jazzrock album, although Hot Rats (Zappa), sounds very much like jazzrock, having been recorded during the very same week on the other (west)coast. ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 16:50
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Miles was a brilliant man and Kind of Blue (and Giant Steps) is what got me into Jazz. Kind of Blue is a fantastic album for many reasons. What else makes Miles great? He worked with: Coltrane, Zawinul, Hancock, Evans, McLaughlin, and among the many other greats I suppose I'll list Chick although I'm not too fond of his work. Well I like it, but sometimes he gets old. Anyways, Miles had awesome groups to work with and knew what he wanted to do. I really enjoy his late 60s/70s albums simply for the odd textures that he creates. In A Silent Way, Files de Kilamanjaro (especially), Bitches Brew, Agharta (can never spell it properly), both the live at the filmoore albums are excellent. And On the Corner is supreme! Super funky-fusion. Its great and often over looked. |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 19:37
| Miles Davis is awesome. His sextet and quintet were amazing, ranks up with John Coltrane's group. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 20:38
Curiously enough, The Miles had spawned hundreds of imitators ever since with his trademark vibrato-less note playing -mainly due to being originally raised in a more classical enviroment-, although he was not considered a virtuoso, his influence is noted in the creation and development of cool jazz (even when some claimed Miles to be a cheap imitator of Chet Baker, which apparently was the other way around) as well as modal and jazz fusion (development if not creation per se); thus he is aknowledge more for influence and musicality than musicianship; love Kind Of Blue and his cool jass records and recently discovered Bitches Brew (which was missing from my father's archives, strangely enough), also strange I listened to most fusion before I found Miles' "electric" albums ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 04:22
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While I liked Miles 50's Quintet with Coltrane (in which KOB), I must say I am not a fan of his 60's Quintet (ESP, Killimandjaro etc...) because there is something really cold and mechanic to that groups.
However from In A Slilent Way (68) until the Agartha album (77), his discography is near flawless. I must say that Miles got lost a bit in the 80's, though. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 06:53
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:13
That was his drug habit - musically he remained cutting edge/experimental and pissing off the jazz main stream whilst he set the scene for nu.fusion, jazz rap etc. - going where many of his 70's disciplines dare not venture instead back pedalling into mainstream non-electric jazz.. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 04:58
Having read a small biography I read a few years ago, Davis' drugs habits had already started in the 60's.
I agree that he was often on the cutting edge in the 80's , but he was more often on the wrong edge than not.
Hancock also did this for a while in the early 80's.But one day, I will buy Ian Carr's book about Miles. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: krring
Date Posted: May 03 2007 at 07:13
Indeed, that is more often than not the Miles record I go for. The very subtle but piercing jazz quality infused in the work, without relying on cliches such as straightforward syncopation to pull it off, is actually a great way of bringing the core spirit of jazz into relief. Besides, his solos are so emotionally intense. ------------- 
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Posted By: ita_prog_fan
Date Posted: May 03 2007 at 14:49
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Do you like Miles Davis?
When he was young during the "fabulous" 40-50-60, yes.
During his late yrs, not that much....
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: May 04 2007 at 10:56
Reading my original post, I find I was right - I recently gave Miles another chance (with "The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions" - btw is this album listed? - and "In a Silent Way"), and I was blew away. Fabulous! Oh, and I also found out that the "not that important" album I mentioned, "Kind of Blue", was one of the most influential jazz albums ever.  ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: May 04 2007 at 10:58
A resounding yes! 
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Posted By: Birds of Fire
Date Posted: May 13 2007 at 01:08
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Why, yes. Thank you for asking. ------------- Plus ca change Plus c'est la meme chose |
Posted By: Atomic_Rooster
Date Posted: May 13 2007 at 01:12
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I am very fond of Davis, however, I find much of his improv to be lacking in some undefinable way
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 13 2007 at 12:50
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Miles Davis was a true genius, his Man with the Horn, Jack Johnson and Bitches Brew albums are brilliant and he should be included in Jazz-fusion, but do i like him? from what i have heard i wouldn't have liked to have met him, and he sure wouldn't have liked to have met me.
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: May 13 2007 at 12:59
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Yes I like Miles, if by like you mean that I would sacrifice one of my boys (not a reference to children, you know what I mean...) for the chance to have seen him play live during the Bitches Brew period.
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: May 14 2007 at 22:05
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well King Crimson was influenced by Miles Davis heavily for all you diehard prog fans. Miles Davis paved the way for probably everything you listen to today one way or another. He is indeed great. "Freddie freeloader" -------------  
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 13:28
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who voted No? Miles has music for everyone.!!!!! even if you don't like old school Jazz.. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 19:15
Yup ! like it very , very ,very, very much........indeed 
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 19:18
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I love Miles, in all of his styles: from classic jazz to acid jazz and beyond. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Ryth
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 20:09
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Oh Hell Yes, I love this man. ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/~Ryth"> 
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 21:16
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Zappa's Hot Rats is a real contender for the first real "fusion" album. In A Silent Way is electric jazz, not fusion. Hot Rats has greater links, musically, to the fusion movement than Bitches Brew itself, though BB is quite the groundbreaking album. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 00:00
I don't know, never met him. 
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 05:02
I voted yes, of course! Bitches Brew is maybe one of my "top 10" albums; In A Silent Way; Kind of Blue (which gets voted "the best" in many polls on jazz albums).
But I don't take offence if people don't like his work - it can be an acquired taste, and sometimes it can seem that if you don't like Miles, you're not cool.....
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Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:25
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love Miles and this poll makes me feel guilty that I don't have enough of him ------------- 
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: May 19 2007 at 15:10
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His genius is so obvious.. ------------- 
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