Apple Pie
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Apple Pie
Posted By: Prog-jester
Subject: Apple Pie
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 07:30
| Again I'd like to introduce you all a Russian band called http://applepie-mus.narod.ru/ - APPLE PIE !!! They've just released their debut album Russian thru http://mals.ru/ApplePie.htm - MALS label,and you can go directly to 2-min long low-quality samples there. Later I'll provide bio and discography for them. They sound like a cross between SPOCK'S BEARD and DREAM THEATER circa 97-99! |
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 04:51
they sound really good PJ, will send some links up to Neo-Prog team for investigation.
http://mals.ru/ApplePie.htm - http://mals.ru/ApplePie.htm
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 15:19
I received a PM from Prog Jester (Which I post in this ocasion because it's relevant to all of us and I'm sure Igor wants this band to be added), after checking the samples, sent a PM to MikeenRegalia and Cygnus X-2 with a copy of itr, so they will be noticed without need to search.
Was going to start a new thread but noticed there was already one.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 15:26
| So what do you think? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 15:34
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^ a myspace page with one or two complete songs would be nice!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 15:41
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Judging from the samples I'd say "Spock's Beard clone" ... these guys can play, it's all very professionally written and arranged, but they're ripping off Spock's Beard pretty obviously. I'd say put them wherever Spock's Beard are now.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Unix
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 15:43
from what I've heard from their site, they're very good 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 16:24
OK, this is what I get from he samples:
IMHO from the samples it's a Neo Prog album (Still missing a lot opf the body of the songs), and not the sub-genre at it's best, borderline with mainstream at various moments but nice to listen.. Good Neo band for a 3 stars average from what I heard, is worth adding I believe, but now it's Neo Prog call.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 05:51
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Thanks, Ivan Actually "Temptation" is not among my favourities too  "Escape" is 10 minutes long originally and very DTesque. Same goes to "Final"(12 min long). You may check these 2 songs in Collabs Lounge in the very end of Neo Thread (just for the record). Sadly, they have no MySpace page yet. OK, lets put 'em in Neo. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 06:00
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To be honest, I don't hear that much Neo in the classic sense of the what the genre is "supposed to sound like"... I agree with Mike that they are definitely deserving of where Spock's Beard is, as I hear a lot of SB sound in their music. It's pretty solid, but I couldn't really consider it Neo.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 06:03
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^ Some people think that Spock's Beard is Neo Prog ... I guess that's where the confusion is coming from.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 06:07
Yeah, I don't see Spock's Beard as Neo so maybe that's why I feel that way. -------------
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 07:01
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I asked the band how do they call their genre. "Prog" they asked .Anyway they promised the next album to be ven more progressive. Yes, a lot of SB and also 97-99 DT in AP's music...but Ivan rejected them as I understand  . They are NOT Art-Rock - influences come from New Symphonic band and the mildest period of Prog-Metal band. As long as many New Symphonic bands are already in Neo (DISCIPLINE, MAGENTA, NEXUS, THE WATCH among others), we should put them there as well? Or bring them all into Symphonic |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 13:41
I'll run it by stonebeard and Greenback and we'll see what they think... hell, I'll even inform Micky as he's an "unofficial" member of our team. If there's a majority in Neo then I will have no problem adding them. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 13:52
This is so Spock's Beard it's almost not funny.  First option: Symphonic Prog If Ivan absolutely won't have them, then: Second option: Neo-Prog ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:14
Yep, they admit that fact . I'm going to post an inerview with the band soon - on their adding here!
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 21:47
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definitely not neo prog!
they have a couples of songs & passages that are neo, but it is not the main subgenre.
i see influences as wide as It Bites (temptation), triumph, spock's beard (most of the complex parts), dream theater (lead vocals), starcastle, transatlantic, clepsydra (sunrise) and even christopher cross.
excellent band though. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 23:43
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Prog Jester wrote:
No ,my fried, i didn't rejected it, you told me from the start they are Neo:
You wrote in the PM:
LMAO, you told me from te start they sounded Neo and I found many Neo Elements
I don't want to reject them and I cant as a person, so I will ask HT and Bob to check it..
Doesn't sound Symphonic IMO my main point (As Greenback wrote) is the blend of elements, but I wouldn't be totally uncomfortable with them in Symphonic, anyway I have to ask the team.
We will find a home for them.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 00:12
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You mean this wasn't the Spock's Beard replacement vocalist audition sessions? They do have a lot in common with "The Beard," and come close to symphonic at times, but they don't dive very deeply into it. I say Neo also. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 01:00
art rock related seems the solution ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 01:51
Oh no you didn't! ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 09:42
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Have you checked the full tracks, Ivan? I'm still in doubts  They are complex and crafty at times, but sometimes they're even more cheesy than PENDRAGON! Please, check the full tracks guys in order to get the whole picture and count the balance of Neo and Sympho here. Honestly...I don't know what to say. I don't want them in Neo (since they're NOT Marillion/IQ/you-continue/-alike band), but I don't feel myself to be listening to their album as SYMPHO prog either A poll?.. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 13:00
Ivan and I went over all of the samples last night, and we both reached the same conclusion. It doesn't have to sound exactly like those bands to be Neo. I think that would be the best home for Apple Pie. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:27
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Other than the first and part of the second sample, I do not hear anything to associate these guys with Symphonic Rock. I agree with those who recommend Neo, if anywhere, although would also be supportive of not including them at all. There is some apparent SB cloning going on, but for the most part I would lump them with Triumph, Stryper, stuff like that. (IMHO) ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 21:12
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Well, now I don't require to ask James who is very busy this days, three votes are enough.
We can't accept Apple Pie in Symphonic.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 23:48
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So is there any sort of consensus yet? I'm indifferent, though I'd rather they be wherever Spock's Beard is (This is where a Modern Symphonic genre would come in REALLY handy). In favor of Neo-Prog classification: HTIn favor of Symphonic prog classification: Cyg ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 00:01
i do not necessarily classify them as sympho, but like Ivan does not consider them sympho, i don't consider them neo.
the whole neo team do not consider them neo!
 we have a special ear for those difficult cases.that's a "heads or tails" case!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 00:03
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This means only one thing, then: Canterbury. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 00:27
Yes they do have the Spock's Beard sound, but the compositions themselves do not have the same symphonic structure. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 01:21
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I believe that in this case the only alternative is Prog related. This is not a contest, Neo Prog has autonomy that we have to respect, plus this guys have a lot of mainstream elemnts.
They deserve to be here, I believe they are Prog, but it's easier to move them once in the Archives if they release an album that 100% defines them that having them nowhere.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 07:07
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I disagree about mainstreamy elements. Full tracks (see the end of Neo Thread in Collabs Zone) have nothing common with mainstream, but if you listened to samples ONLY, you can have an impression of somewhat mainstreamy (partly). OK, I give up. Neo Prog. I like the genre and have nothing against it, but APPLE PIE are so SBish... OK-OK, I quit my "if X is in X-section, why don't we put X-influenced Y in X-section too" talks. NEO PROGRESSIVE ROCK Please add them there. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 10:38
Please Igor, don't be unfair, since I received your post I tried to pace them in a genre (as I did with Er. J. Orchestra, adding them with a fast decision from an Adm) and I tried very hard, but Greenback spoke sytrongly about Neo Prog (As all his team) and if I want my team's decisions to be respevcted I must respect their's.
In Symphonic happens something similar, the majority of my team has voted clearly, I can't go gainst my team members decisions and mine also.
From the start you wrote they were not Symphonic, so there was little room for us.
Yes I heard only samples because that's what is availlable, but songs as Temptation and Still Got my Faith in You, have clear mainstream elements, the first one being 100% funky.
I would like to listen all the bands but my pocket is not elastic, I'm also listening Gourishankar and Gavin O'Loghlen and can't buy their albums neither,so I asked Gavin to send me complete samples, hope he answers.
If no team accepts them I honestly recommend to include them in PR, once they release another album, maybe their sub-genre is more clear ffor all of us and may be pulled ny some team, it's easier than inducting them again and waiting for the teams to decide.
Now it's out of my hands
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:39
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I saw this thread, and was inspired, so I've checked out the full album. These guys are like Neal-era Beard, but proggier overall, much more complex. I think we should have the deciding collabs hear the entire album before making a decision. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 23:41
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Sadly the English version of their page doesn't work and I'km unable to read Russian, there's no place to find full versions that are legal.
Found the reviews in Proggnoisis (Who heard the whole album) and totally different from what we got, they say it's a blend between Spock's Beard and Dream Theater, they also agree with us about the mainstream elements specially in Temptation.
Mindanaw insists in the Portnoy Ruddess connection and they go further:
All the information is contraditory, Progressor from Uzbequistan who normally support the Russian bands say nothing of the band, they send to the page of MAKL recods that doesn't help at all.
I would love to buy all the albujms that we receive from didfferent bands, but sadly I'm not rich, neither I can force the tteam members to buy each and every album.
This is the most I can do in Symphonic, I tried, Prog Jester knows I always check the bands sent by him, but I can't go against what´ my team and me listen from what we have availlable.
Iván
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 00:49
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Why not ask the band for a promo copy? I'm sure they'd be more than willing to supply one, in exchange for being accurately represented on ProgArchives. Dammit, we of all people know how important it is for people to view music as a whole, rather than a small piece. If one were to hear two-minute clips of many Gabriel-era Genesis songs, one could easily make a case for them being a simple soft rock band! ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 02:14
To be hionest, most of he bands who are willing to send promo copies, offer themselves, in this case Apple Pie has no communication with us, it's Igor who asked for them, a PA member who has already proposer bands that were admitted.
We will ask a copy, even when I',m not used to ask something for free, I'm afraid that people will thnk we are in PA just because the benefit of receiving free material and that's not accurate at all.
I have already PMd two other bands (One of them is Gavin O'Loghlen) but haven't received answer from them, I believe Igor could make the contact, our team has already given the opinion about Symphonic, but if we had all the material (Which I honestly would change radically the idea received of the samples unless they used the less Symphonic fragments) we will check it again.
Iván
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 02:43
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I'm listening to the album again, and I really can't see them being neo... the majority of their output has more in common with Modern Symphonic and Classic Symphonic, they sound nothing at all like IQ, Marillion, Pendragon, Pallas, and the other Neo staples.
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 18:02
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Hey guys! The English version of our page is working already. Wellcome! Now you've got a contact. ------------- Apple Pie |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 20:15
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That's great Vartan, it's hard to understand a language that uses a different alphabet.
After listening the links sent by a member, it still sounds as Neo to me, but it's not my call.
The only track I don't like is Temptation, the others are pretty good.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 17:46
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I don't know why, but russian listeners likes Temtation more than other tracks. Strange, isn't it? Whatever, thank you Iván and thanks to other guys for this incredible debates! ------------- Apple Pie |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 03:07
| ^ Vartan, I hope you'll look thru determinations of Prog genres here and maybe give us a direction we all should go. What do you think about APPLE PIE's genre? I think your voice will be counted as the important one. |
Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 06:02
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May be you should add a new subgenre? Something like Neo-Sympho-Prog. Good luck! ------------- Apple Pie |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 06:56
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^That's what we utterly need But from these 2 (Sympho and Neo) which is closer? BTW, http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36616 - APPLE PIE's interview added! |
Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 07:21
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I think Sympho. Oh, thank you Igor for interview! ------------- Apple Pie |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 07:37
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thanks in return for being in touch. OK, dear Collabs, the band's leader considers his own music to be closer to Symphonic Prog than Neo. Yes, I understand that even Justin Timberlake can proclaim himself a RIO guru, but Vartan's opinion must be taken into consideration! 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 11:59
Igor, I have the most of respects for Apple Pie, but 99% (Just a way to say almost everyone) of the team leaders and members of Neo Prog bands say that their bands arre Symphonic, because Neo Prog has still an unfair negative connotation of bland Symphonic.
But in this case the call is from us, even you even wrote repeteadly that they are not Symphonic, a couple of months ago we received a mail from a guy named Chris Mellia asking for the inclusion of their band to Symphonic, but by mutual agreement of both teams his band ended in Neo Prog.
So please, this is not going to change what we listen, and I have heard the full songs that you sent me.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 12:10
Finally OK, i give up. Then what? Neo Team rejects them as well and a Prog band appears in Related? Well, THE AMBER LIGHT is still there, so go on... All I need is patience I guess. Sorry, if I seem to be rude - I'm tired a bit. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 12:12
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Without trying to sound like I am insulting the Symph Team,it seems like if a band doesn't fit the Yes/Genesis,etc mold EXACTLY they won't make it into that genre.
I think Apple Pie would fit well in either Neo or Art Rock Igor.This issue should be resolved quickly,because if you listen to this band they are a slam dunk for inclusion. -------------  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 16:47
This is not true my friend, and will give you some examples:
You should visit our genre before saying things like this, if 5% of the bands in Symphonic are barely close to Genesis or Yes is too much.
I could give you at least 300 examples of bands that sound nothing like Classic Symphonic, but I believe with 12 is more than enough.
If we don't accept Apple Pie is because we believe it's not a Symphonic bands, sounds myuch closer to Neo Prog IOHO.
That's not our call, we only say if it's Symphonic or not according to us, three members have heard the band, three members have voted unanymously that it's not Symphonic.
We believe also by unanymous vote that Apple Pie is a Neo Prog band but we can't force or place preasure on any team if we want the same courtesy to us, so we leave this to the team members.
Thanks
Iván
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 17:25
I submit that your definition of symphonic does not reflect the PA public's definition of symphonic, and that Apple Pie should be included in symphonic, as per just about everyone who's 1) posted in this thread, 2) heard the entire album, 3) is a member of the band, 4) isn't you. To say that, say, Spock's are symph, but Apple Pie are not... what exactly is this heresy?  If Spock's were classified as neo-prog, I would certainly have no objections, but in this circumstance...  Also: Steve Hackett, symphonic? Would've figured his discography to be a sure-fire shoe-in for Art Rock.. shows what I know, eh? ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 17:50
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Iván. If I sad that my music closer to Sympho, it not means that I don't want to be in Neo. It's OK! May be it's simply my inner wish. Sympho is not the point.
I hope you guys will make a right decision, no matter if it's Neo or Sympho.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 18:03
From what I heard, it just sounds more like a Neo band than a Symphonic one. It has nothing to do with Spock's Beard, or any of the classic symph bands. I take each case individually. I thinks it is ridiculous to use the argument that they must go where Spock's Beard is. Just because they have a similar sound, does not mean they have the same structure. It is also not as if they have any affiliation. Listen to it on it's own merits. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 18:16
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From hearing the entire album several times, I actually thought they sounded proggier and more fitting in symphonic than Spock's... We could all go 'round and 'round on this issue for all eternity, but I suppose what's important is getting them on the archives period... our genre labels, overall, are a bit of a mess...
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 21:03
Vartan wrote:
Vartan, my last comment is not a reply to your very nice post, it has to do with a comment of another member (Who we respect very much( saying we only add bands that sound like Genesis or Yes to Symphonic,
I thank you for being here and worrying about your band, I received a PM from another musician asking to add his band, but despite I have sent him 5 or 6 mails and several PM's (He's also a member of PA) without a single reply, I can't do anything to add him if he doesn't help.
I thank you and wish all the band members did as you, it makes our job easier having you here to ask you anything and to provide a bio when we ask them.
Thank you Vartan.
Man Overboard wrote:
I will explain with an example, at least 10 or 20 bands in Neo Prog sound like Genesis, they are inspired in Gensis, their keyboardists try to sound like Tony Banks, but they are Neo Prog.
As a fact it's very common in Neo Prog bands to sound as Genesis being that this band was the main inspiration for this sub-genre.
Sounding like other band doesn't necessarilly make a band belong in the same genre as the one they follow.
Man Overboard wrote:
When as a team we took the decision to move Steve Hackett to Symphonic, we published the movement for two weeks in the Collaborators Section as we do each time we change a band, to receive feedback, positive r negative, in some cases we gave a step back..
We received at least 10 replies about Steve Hackett and exposed our arguments basing us in the structure of MOST of the PROG albums recorded during his long career and there were no objections at the end, please don't make us start this again.
Man Overboard wrote:
Our definition of Symnphonic is Prog Archives definition, mainly because I wrote PA's definition of Symphonic (After two months of being published and accepted by all Collaborators and Adms) plus believe it or not; we have heard each and every band that is in Symphonic taking special care of what is added and what not.
Bob and myself are obsessive so we care for each addition as it was a matter of life or death and HT has managed to have at least one album of each and every band in Symphonic, some in plastic CD and others in legal downloads (Also obsessive)
HT, Bob and myself have written the bios of 150 bands of the genre (The most rare ones that were added without any bio), we had to research God knows where, so we are absolutely informed of what happens here and what frames we follow.
Geck0 is in the band submission team and gives us valuable aid, specially in the recently added bands, so we are very careful with the additions because cleaning the sub-genre has taken us a lot of time and effort.
Man Overboard wrote:
People complains of how everything is a mess (I don't agree, I believe the teams are doing a great job) but due to the job of our team we have managed to put order in Symphonic (Which was the dumping ground of Prog Archives), we have moved Folk, Fusion, Neo Prog, Avant and Prog Metal bands (Accepted by their teams) also helped with Raf and Micky to make of Art Rock a central category, almost every band in Symphonic has a decent bio, a photo, no missing links (Except the ones that really don't exist) and the most important issue, we are familiar with every band in the sub-genre.
So at least in our case, it's not a mess, we want to keep it like this.
Iván
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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 16:57
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Again, a quick visit, and I say the below only slightly tongue in
cheek, but will leave it at that as I have no wish to get into an
argument, but simply to make what I think is an obvious point that you
all seem to be avoiding: There really is an easy solution to this: create a new subgenre. Both SB and Apple Pie would fit quite comfortably together in one because of their clear influences from mainstream American radio rock and early Classic Hard Rock. I'm not saying that to denigrate either band (I actually kind of enjoy Apple Pie), but to note that there are some clear connections between the two (and many other modern Prog bands) that set them apart from the Symphonic sub-genre even if you include Kansas in it. However, they're also quite distinctly not Neo as defined by Marillion, Pallas, Pendragon, IQ and others. Call it what you will (I think Modern Symphonic works, even if I like to say AOR Prog), but do consider creating the sub genre. During my discussions in Gothenburg last weekend after having been to see The Musical Box, it was obvious to me that many old-skool proggers had tried to wander back to Prog only to be scared off by SB, TFK and others, as what they do really is a completely different beast altogether. So it really would do everyone a favor, clarifying an important distinction and reducing the possibility of disappointment and confusion. -------------  
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 17:20
That is a good point. These bands are different than most of what is considered symphonic. The AOR influence is strong. Welcome back Teflax!  You've been away too long. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 22:42
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The problem is how we understand AOR:
1.- If AOR is considered as Album Oriented Rock in strict sense, then Prog is part of AOR and this kind of bands are 100% Prog..
2.- If AOR is that Frankenstein of the late 70's and all 80's that is also music created for album format but essentially mainstream, then the band is Prog Related at the most.
I believe Apple Pie is 100% Prog, but we don't believe it fits best in Symphonic.
Lets keep Kansas outside this debate, Kansas is a classic Prog band formed in 1971, using basic Symphonic structures but blended with Hard Rock and Country, long before nything we know as AOR was even born.
Now, talking with HT and only if we implement a Symphonic School that admits lighter forms of Symphonic and the team agrees, we may be able to accept Apple Pie, but this is in plans yet, probably in a month we will be able to decide...in the meanwhile, I leave that decision to Art Rock and Neo.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Vartan
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 06:18
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Thank you too Ivan! ------------- Apple Pie |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 07:31
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Thanks for adding!!!
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