The Gathering
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Topic: The Gathering
Posted By: Cristi
Subject: The Gathering
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:06
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Not many threads about this great Dutch band. I love the music of The Gathering, especially the post Mandylion (including this album) era. I also like their debut - gothic-doom album, I know; the second album is pretty good, but that's all i can say I'm afraid. What came next up to our days is brilliant - to me at least. Another thing I admire about this band is that they're not afraid to experiment and add new elements to their music.
What is your opinion about The Gathering?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:09
ahhh... before yesterday I wouldn't have had a clue.. but Raff picked up an album Mandylion Friday and I listened to it yesterday. Prog-Metal that an classic prog fanatic/elitist can sit through. Nice vocals... and the music wasn't bad at all. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:17
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i know that Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are considered atmospheric metal masterpieces but i'll go with How To Measure A Planet? and Souvenirs.. by the by, i'm totally opposed to their inclusion in PA..  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:18
why.... this from one who opposes the whole of prog metal in PA's  Call it curiousity....------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:19
Michael, you should try also what comes after that album, especially http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7584 - How to Measure a Planet? . But knowing you, don't go backwards in the discography.
Curiously enough, if you wish to hear how a doomdeath song sounds in an acoustic version, then pick http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7588 - Sleepy Buildings - A Semi Acoustic Evening and listen to:
The Mirror Water & Stonegarden from their first album Always (which I love).
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:20
| Some of the most beautiful vocals I've ever heard. It took me a while to really get into them, because I was looking for the wrong things in the music. I too love the later era of the band. Continually evolving their sound, and always with good results. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:21
well, their first two LPs are doom/death metal, all the way, the next two are atmospheric metal with female vocals and the last four are something between space/ambient/trip hop rock.. i just don't see it... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:24
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The Mirror Water & Stonegarden from their first album Always (which I love). aah... 1.The Gathering - Always.. 2.The 3rd And The Mortal - Tears Laid In Eatrh 3.Theatre Of Tragedy - Theatre Of Tragedy the epitomy of a whole genre..love them all... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:26
fair enough to me.... I don't pretend to understand the whole nature and appeal of the sub. I try listening with an open mind and ear... but it really doesn't sound all that prog to me. Oh well...time for dessert... I'm out... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:34
Mandylion is great, Nighttime Birds I haven't heard yet, and How to Measure a Planet I find hard to get into - especially the title track is more of collection of noises. What comes after apparently progresses form there, so I might like it less. And I visited their home town on Friday, to bad I didn't run into them...  The picture on the right in my sig should give you an indication of how I feel about The Gathering vocals...  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:36
| I was surprised to see them listed as prog (metal) myself; but still i think it's not my concern to judge that. All in all, great band! |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:38
well, Nighttime Birds is kind of like Mandylion II only inferior and i'd have to agree with that 'noise thing' although the rest of the material is excellent.. i would recommend you "Souvenirs".. haven't heard the last one... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:38
I love their vocals!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:40
I'll remember that when I come across the album. Thanks. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Marwin
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:41
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Mandylion is one of my favorite albums.
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Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:57
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Anneke is one of my favourite female vocalists, if not the most. For me, their latest album Home is the best. Mature, atmospheric and trippy, dark though angelic. But I also like a lot of their previous stuff. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trevorrabin/?chartstyle=basic10" rel="nofollow">  <a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow" |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:32
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Picked up the album Mandylion yesturday, its a great bit of atmospheric metal. I have to admit I would hesitate at calling everything on this album prog, though a few songs are quite definitely that and they have progressive touches in most of the songs. Good band, lovely vocals, must find more from them. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:36
we might check it out... I think Raff liked it as well...she said she wants to hear it another time or two. reading through the responses.... a bit deflated  I thought I had found a PM album that I could stand listening to..and many here don't think they are PM... the search continues I guess hahhahah------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:39
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^ shouldn't you listen to the music first before making a decision and moving on? Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are great atmospheric albums with progressive elements ... if you want prog, listen to How to Measure a Planet, Souvenirs and Home. It's more "Post Metal" than traditional Prog Metal though ... the difference is a little bit like the difference between Prog Rock and Post Rock. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:40
Consider them prog-related, they're certainly more related than certain bands. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:50
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"Home" left me sleeping and out $14 US. I would have classed it closer to prog folk than to metal. They seem to have lost some of their edge in recent years. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:52
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I'll never understand why people don't get more information about albums before buying them ... it's all described in the reviews.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:09
It depends on who does the reviews, I dont trust everyones opinions to be like mine. I'm just re-listening to Mandylion and I've changed my mind, I would definitely call this prog. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: ProgFan
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:23
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It's a very good bandNighttime Birds, Mandylion and How To Measure A Planet are my favoroutie albums.
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:57
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I love this band. I saw them live 2 months ago and I liked them live even better than on cd. Strange setlist though: mostly recent stuff (last 2 albums), 4 'Mandylion' songs and very little from the albums inbetween. -------------  |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:58
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Sampling them right now. Absolutely beautiful. Puzzled as to why they're metal, though. Have they toned down the sound a bit. Good starting point(s)? E ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 18:04
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They started as a metal band ... the first album is Gothic Metal. On Mandylion Anneke joined, and I would recommend this album to you - it shows their metal roots combined with the atmospheric/spacey elements. Their masterpiece is How to Measure a Planet ... but all the other albums from Mandylion onwards are great, and they all have a different style, with Souvenirs being the most modern/experimental one.
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 18:26
Too true. I have bought a number of albums based on reviews and ratings in PA, just to be left thinking, "How did they come to that opinion?"
 ...but mostly the reviews are in the ball park  I only have "How To Measure A Planet" and I find it a reasonable album. I am even warming to the title track a little (the first 14 minutes are fine with me now, the other 14 are so so). I said negative words about it in another thread then got it out to have another listen which revealed new things to me. ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: OvergroundMusic
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 21:46
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Souvenirs is a contemporany masterpiece, The Gathering created that artistical album fusioning Experimental/Post Rock kind of guitar playing with Anneke's vocals , the album is original and i dont think any band has achieved something like they did(coming from metal genre)... Their most known albums are easy forgetable and cliche , it seems that most fans are into the metal thing... But i would definetely say Souvenirs is unique in the genre, Annekes voice is great on the record kind of reminds me of Dido meets The Cranberries kind of thing fusioned with atmospheric experimental metal sound, an album that deserves a place in any prog listener collection. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 21:59
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I've been a fan of Anneke for quite some time now."How to Measure a Planet" is great,and the earlier more metal records "Nighttime birds" and "mandylion".The only other female vocalist i feel compares to Anneke is Marcela from STREAM OF PASSION and ELFONIA. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 02:24
I wasn't thinking about opinions, but facts. If a reviewer says "ZOMG this is a masterpiece buy it ASAP" then you should not follow it blindly, but if they say that "Sleepy Building is very calm, folk-related acoustic music" it might be a valuable clue as to whether you're going to enjoy the album or not. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 08:33
I really like the song "You Learn About it". The lead singer has a fantastic voice.
I struggle with why they are considered Prog though. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 08:59
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^ which songs/albums have you heard?
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 09:05
So far, only Home all the way through a few times. I've heard MP3 samples from other CDs on the Net too. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 09:11
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On my website I reviewed Home as Prog-Related ... I'd recommend How to Measure a Planet and Souvenirs instead (if you're looking for the more progressive stuff). Souvenirs is more experimental, How to Measure a Planet is more epic/minimalistic/post. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 14:42
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should The Gathering be in Art-Rock?
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 14:51
Yes, and I should be on the Art Rock team. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 15:12
hahhahah.... deal... when I retire from the AR team..I'll recommend you to take my place. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 16:12
^^ no, for me The Gathering will always be a metal band ... it is their base genre, no matter how far they travelled from that base.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 16:25
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I only know Mandylion which is a pretty good album, i also reviewed once, the vocals were one of the first things that i could perceive, im not a metal fan, nonetheless i enjoy it when i listen to it (rarely). ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 16:36
Any time soon? - or is this your way of saying "When Hull freezes over" (which is not likely given climate changes) ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 16:47
The influence is always there in some way, I agree, but when does a band deviate enough from it's base to become Art Rock? Rush has it's roots in blues also, but they are considered art rock..... and they're not the only example I guess. This may not be Micky's argument though..... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 19:23
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The genre bending in this thread is an interesting topic in itself.
I have wondered before if there is some way of setting up a "genre wheel" where there is a spoke for each genre where people can use a total of 100% to assign the genre of an album, putting all to one spoke if they feel that way or some of the percentage (up to the 100% total) along a number of the spokes if it covers a number of genres, with the outcome making a diagram of the particular genres and overall leaning of an album. We could then lay all of the genre assignments of all the albums together, giving an overall genre leaning for the band across all of it's work.
How does this sound, MikeEnRegalia? Do you have an algorithm for such a beast?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 02:15
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^ yes, it's called "tagging" and you can try it out on my website. For example you could tag an album as "Rock" and then also add other genres to various degrees.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:21
a novel concept in my eyes Prog Metal...with variety.. then I have finally found what I was looking for hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:38
they haven't been a metal band for a long time now and definitely their music doesn't emit any metal feeling.. maybe art rock is more suitable.. ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:39
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not going there hahahhaha... ^^^^^^
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:47
yes, but i was sucking up too.. when are you retiring? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:49
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Let me repeat a statement that I've made many times before: Post Rock doesn't sound like Rock but is considered to be a sub genre of Rock. So why should Post Metal not be considered to be a sub genre of Metal ... just because it doesn't exactly sound like Metal? The whole purpose of the "Post" thing is to go beyond the confinements of the original genre and try something new - but without forgetting where you came from. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:02
give me an e.g. for post metal.. ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:11
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Post Metal ... the usual examples are Post Sludge/Hardcore bands like Isis, Cult of Luna, Neurosis. But there are some examples of Post Metal albums that contain traces of metal and were made by metal artists: Ambeon - Fate of a Dreamer, Karl Sanders - Saurian Meditations, Buckethead - Colma etc.. The latter two are admittedly far fetched, and I think that the genre label should include the word "metal", but also the new genre elements which are dominant: Ambeon - Fate of a Dreamer: Ambient/Atmospheric Electronic/Metal Karl Sanders: Dark Oriental/Experimental Acoustic/Slight Metal influence Looks funny/geeky, but actually tells you something about the music, which can't be said about the usual genre labels.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:18
well, the first examples was what i had in mind too, just wanted to make sure we're on the same track here... as far as the rest is concerned i have absolutely no idea what they sound like but seems that the world 'metal' is inaccurate... anyway, if that's the case then i get your point and Gathering should be considered post metal but this is not how i see it.. metal, any metal has a very specific shape in my head and Gathering isn't it.. oh, by the by, i love being geeky when it comes to labeling music...  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 04:33
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^ then you're invited to join my efforts on PROGtology.com ... create an account and assign a few genre labels yourself.
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