Dredg
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Topic: Dredg
Posted By: Winand007
Subject: Dredg
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:42
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I don't know why Dredg is on this site, cause they aren't prog at all, they're just alternative
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:43
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According to some arguments I have seen, it depends on which albums you hear. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:46
El Cielo is a real gem ... it's surely not prog rock in a Yes or Genesis sense, but it fully deserves to be listed here.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:47
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Their Catch Without Arms album is their most alternative rock album in their discography, but El Cielo has some bits of prog in it. I kind of agree with you here. I really like El Cielo, but I don't see it as proggy as I used to. ------------- 
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Posted By: moebius
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 13:58
| I think the main reason is Leitmotif. Great, beautiful, simple album with full developed concept throughout all songs. El Cielo is amazing too, but Leitmotif is the gem. |
Posted By: SoundscapeMN
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 14:42
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they are arguably as "Progressive" as any band out there today. And they do have elements of Progressive Rock without question. but more of the point is..they're a band that appeal to fans of Prog and plain and simple, a band well worth checking out! ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/SoundscapeMN/">  http://last.fm/user/SoundscapeMN http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 15:43
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No prog in my ears To be honest I still dont get all the fuzz about them, I have El Cielo and I find it kinda boring ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 15:57
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Dredg is prog, alternative has means of making a prog expression (not every such music, of course, but some). Art Rock Scout's word!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 17:03
I don't care actually.. I know there's quite a few people who wouldn't have bothered to listen to them if they WEREN'T included here!  And they are definitely worth a listen or two!
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 17:25
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El Cielo has its moments, but Leitmotif is flawless.
Its what got me into them in the first place
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 18:55
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They're not going to be kicked out, so these discussions are fruitless. My advice is, if you don't think they're prog or even good, just ignore them.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 19:00
I share your opinion. I think dredg should be moved to Prog Related. |
chamberry wrote:Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 20:28
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Once again, it's the "progressive" vs. "prog" thing... For some reason I think dredg is amazing. The first time i heard Catch Without Arms I hated it, but they really grew on me and if you listen carefully their music is very complex and intricately layered. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: THE_POLE
Date Posted: June 16 2007 at 21:53
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In my opinion Leitmotif was great,and definately progressive. The
problem is that they've gone downhill since then. El Cielo was kinda
boring and catch without arms was barely listneable. But Leitmotif is
one of the most unique and interesting albums i've heard.
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Posted By: SoundscapeMN
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 01:53
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knowing their fanbase..it's very divided on which album is the best, favorite, etc..EL CIELO artistically is extremely thought out and finely crafted. I mean it's based on a Salvador Dali painting for freaking sake. Also the production is 2nd to none. Why do you think it came out in a 5.1 format in the 1st place?? Not to mention the fact it synchronizes with ETERNAL SUNSHINE..lol ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/SoundscapeMN/"> http://last.fm/user/SoundscapeMN http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 07:24
| Dredg are one of the best Art Rock bands out there. They are more than deserving of their spot on this site. |
Posted By: Winand007
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:14
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well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:17
"didn't liked it" = Not Prog? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: dltonya
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:20
I'll second that. I believe they fit just fine as an art rock band. Just because a band doesn't sound like one of the prog masters (Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) in and of itself is not a reason to classify a band as non-prog. We all have different tastes and different ideas to what prog can be.
I, for one, use some odd criteria for judging whether something is prog. One of my criteria is the "general public" factor. For example, is the band I'm listening to create music that is too advanced for the general public to understand or even appreciate? In this case, El Cielo and Leitmotif fit that criteria. The music is too good to ever get radio play.
Another criteria I use is the "push the envelope" test. For example, does the band create music that pushes beyond the standard music formula. The key here is that I'm not comparing them to the 70's prog masters, few bands outside Anglagard and Anekdoten could achieve that comparison. Rather, I am comparing them to their contemporary peers. I can think of nothing in the current popular music scene that approaches Dredg's first two albums.
El Cielo is an ambitious and artistic endeavor based on an odd concept / inspiration. And if you've never heard the 5.1 SACD version, you're doing yourself a great disservice. This is an album that really was designed to play like a soundtrack and in 5.1 it really shines in its ability to convey a very well styled mood.
I will agree that Catch Without Arms is more of an alternative album than an art rock album, but there are countless bands here that straddle the grey area between prog and non-prog some time in their careers. And some of those bands, Jethro Tull and Rush for example, are considered stalwarts of the progressive rock scene!
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:25
You should at least listen to El Cielo, I think it's their best in my opinion. But I also think Catch Without Arms is their weakest, so don't judge them on that album alone. |
Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 11:46
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Maybe they could call them prog related? ------------- 
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 11:52
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Dredg are great and El Cielo is one of the best albums released after the year 2000. Period. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:10
I would reverse that statement, personally.
And, if any of you actually studied the concept and arrangement of either El Cielo or Catch Without Arms, you would be pretty amazed at the intricacy of it all.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:18
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*RANT TIME* I absolutely hate threads like this, they're counter productive and they don't accomplish anything and we get about five a week. It's always the same story: "I don't like modern band A and think that they're not progressive, could someone take them off the site?" and then the responses are either "I agree" or "they're on the site to stay" and they stay on the site and nothing happens. THIS SITE IS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD!!! [/rant] sorry, but I've seen this way too much, it's like PA's trapped in limbo also, no offense meant to Winand007 -------------  |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:31
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^^^ If you think you're sick of these threads imagine the members that have been here since 2004-2005. There's nothing we can do. Just go with the flow. -------------
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:37
I feel for ya  it's just somewhat redundant at times when you see nothing but "remove Radiohead and dredg" threads amidst the "Who else hates DT" threads....actually, there hasn't been a full on hatred thread in a while....hmmm... ------------- |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 23:09
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how do you pronounce the name of this band? ------------- |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 23:21
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I think it's like edge, but with D and R first. -------------
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 00:42
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Yes, I was told that it's from the word "dredge" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mhron/?chartstyle=artists" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 11:02
Haha Amen to that. Dredg should be here. End of story. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Winand007
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 12:06
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well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:21
And who the hell are you? Linkin Park is on your top 10 list and they're bloody awful, maybe you should be removed from the Archives. Your eyes are blind and your opinion is worthless. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: SoundscapeMN
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:32
people have argued Genesis isn''t "prog" either..lol.
geez..the prog-snobbery..but what should anyone expect?  ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/SoundscapeMN/"> http://last.fm/user/SoundscapeMN http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:34
That's a little harsh there man. Did you ever think maybe he never used his last fm much and used to listen to sh*t music? During that time he may have racked up quite a few plays for LP before getting into prog. I have a lot of friends like that including myself. Don't be so quick to judge even if you could be right. -------------
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:22
His Last.FM is active, I checked first. His recent stuff is a combination of angst-rock and technical w**kery, with a few decent bands thrown in... of -course- he didn't appreciate dredg, he doesn't have the maturity. As for my harshness... what else do you expect from me? ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:47
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Progressive rock is very wide-ranging and music is change all the time. It's pretty normal that some bands let us news forms and elements to prog. I think this is the best quality on prog music. Dredg is one of these bands and they are prog and a great band. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 11:15
Be chiiilllll  -------------
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Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 11:19
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wh0pa i'm waring these trioppy gl;asases riihght now and i't's realu hard to type. everythging is likke one big psychedelic kaliuedescope. you guys wold love3 these -------------
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 17:30
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meh, i bought catch without arms and thought it was terrible. i'd like to give one of their other albums a fair chance, but i think im already prejudiced too much against them. -------------  
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 17:55
I hated Catch Without Arms when I first got it too. it takes a few listens to notice the subtleties they use with their guitar work. It's not as bluntly technical as most prog, but very complex and beautiful all the same. just give it a bit of time... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Synesthesia
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 20:12
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What's the problem? The site says "
Progressive music sub-genre: Art Rock". I think that fits dredg as well as any title. El Cielo is one of my favorite albums and I haven't even heard of the 5.1 mix!
The music is so beautifully layered and the album flows through it's
different stages so well. The sort of "journey" that the album takes
you on and the many layers definitely makes it progressive in my mind.
Leitmotif is a toss up for me...it has parts that are beautifully
layered and well done but other parts (especially with the singing) is
downright irritating. Catch Without Arms? Definitely the least
progressive of the three but perhaps my most played (currently). It's
certainly more accessible and more "fun"? It definitely must be said though that the more you listen to Catch Without Arms the more progressiveness comes out. It has very buried complexity/thought.I'll throw in another vote for disking these sorts of threads too. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 20:17
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By popular opinion on Allmusic.com and Pitchforkmedia.com, dredg are considered alternative progressive, more or less. I agree, but without hearing Leitmotif, I can't give a full view of their discography and aura in full. Taking into account El Cielo and Catch Without Arms, I'll describe them as sonically and conceptually adventurous alternative rock with strong progressive music tendencies, worthy of being on this site in one form or another. I'm fine with them in Art Rock now. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 09:05
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As with Radiohead, Tool, The Mars Volta, and several other bands on this site... dredg falls into the category of if you dont like them "you just dont get it"
thats all I have to say, and I think people who think they should be on this website agree...
if you don't like them and can't see why they are a progressive rock band, you just don't get it.... sorry
I added them to the archives, so I don't want to see such an experimental band taken off because someone listened to them for 5 minutes and decided they weren't good because they didnt throw in 100000 solos and use 85 time signature changes in the same song
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 13:49
^Nice to see you back dude! Thanks for adding them, otherwise I might've never discivered them!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 14:04
Sorry xhamasaki, but I don't agree with you. I do like Dredg and I'm a fan of their El Cielo album. The problem is that I have trouble seeing them as a full on prog band. They may be an intelligent alternative rock band (not saying that alternative rock is dumb, by the way), but prog band it's not. And, Dredg experimental?! Since when? I know from what side you come from and I respect your opinion on seeing them as a prog band. And believe me, I know that bands don't need to have "100000 solos and use 85 time signature changes in the same song" to be prog. -------------
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 08:02
| Name another album influenced by both a Salvador Dali painting, life, and sleep paralysis, hell name another band that sounds ANYTHING like dredg and then tell me they aren't pretty experimental |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:35
Sorry I can't, but does having a original concept makes them prog? Not to me.
Yes I can and it isn't very hard to either: The Postman Syndrome. Think Dredg, but heavier. Youthmovie Soundtrack Strategies. Another one sounding like Dredg, but more daring more complex. The Grand Silent System. The one that's closer to Dredg's sound, but jazzier. There you have it. Three bands that do sound like Dredg and they are not experimental. Experimental bands are Set Fire To Flames, Yellow Swans, Circle, Faust, Charalambides and others, not "alternative prog" bands like Dredg. -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 21:23
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bump?
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 28 2007 at 08:33
| none of those bands sound anything like dredg what are you talking about. The strength of the band is what isn't there. It's almost minimalist rock, like Radiohead |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: June 28 2007 at 21:38
Well I wasn't going to mention Dredg clones. I was just pointing out bands with a similar style as Dredg and showing you that they are not experimental. And about the strength, well, we're not talking about bands being better than Dredg, are we?
Minimalist rock? Radiohead? Did you really listened to those bands? I can't see anything minimalist in any of those bands, but it seems that we have radically different views of our music so I'm not going to continue on with this discussion. -------------
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 10:55
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Am I the one to like CATCH WITHOUT ARMS most? Title track, Planting Seeds, Ode to the Sun (played it in a summer camp on discos ), Hung Over on a Tuesday...flawless |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 15:11
What does having pseudo-complex concepts/lyrics have to do with being musically experimental?  I like Dredg (Man Overboard can check my last.fm page if he doesn't believe me ), but I have to agree with Chamberry (again!). I hear no prog in them whatsoever. That doesn't make them any worse - nor better for that matter - in my books, btw. Whether they're in Art Rock or Prog-related is hardly the biggest concern in my life, just thought I'd voice my opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 15:26
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Maybe the perfect comparison with gredg would be Radiohead, they started with 2 excellent Alt Rock albums, and then their sound experiments leaded them into Prog. Also dredg has Alternative influences but they have a close link to Prog Music itself. ------------- 
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Posted By: StarBreaker
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 05:11
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I love this band! I've only heard both albums once, but I was utterly impressed by both, and will surely listen to both records several times again. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 22:36
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I have El Cielo, and I was intrigued at first, and gradually fell completely in love with it. I do find the vocals a bit trying after a time, and the range of notes used for the melodies a bit unadventurous... but the textures and overall production are absolutely gorgeous. I didn't even know there was a 5.1 release! I MUST have that. I've honestly been a little afraid to pick up any of their other releases, as I've heard mixed reviews, and I don't want to be disappointed... ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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