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Topic: Why are Magenta not huge???
Posted By: ian picken
Subject: Why are Magenta not huge???
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:11
Magenta should be huge, they are great musicians, have a brilliant vocalist, great songs and are a top live group. If there was justice they would be playing Hammersmith odeon instead of the Borderline in nov.



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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:14
I'm with you.  Seven is in my top 10 and I love Home & NY Suite.  Got bashed by some but it is a grower and awesome in it's own right.  Recently got Revolutions and that one is great as well.  Have you gotten "The Singles" and if so, how is it?

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Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:17
Yes I got singles and its worh the purchase if you have not got the ep,s and a couple of rare singles.The live double is great also


Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:19
I don't have any of the ep's so The Singles should be perfect.  Thanks

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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:30
I know of tons of bar bands that are simply great. Why aren't they huge too? Wink




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Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 09:40
Yeah the ep,s are really good.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 10:27
Magenta are Good, but for me they will never be Great, but it will not stop me buying their CDs.
 
But IMO they lack that certain magic - that unknown element that marks them out from the crowd, the one that makes them Different, Special. I wish I knew what it was, because there are dozens of really talented bands out there that suffer from the same affliction, but perhaps one day they'll find it themselves and release the killer CD.


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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 11:15
Originally posted by darqdean

Magenta are Good, but for me they will never be Great, but it will not stop me buying their CDs.
 
But IMO they lack that certain magic - that unknown element that marks them out from the crowd, the one that makes them Different, Special. I wish I knew what it was, because there are dozens of really talented bands out there that suffer from the same affliction, but perhaps one day they'll find it themselves and release the killer CD.


To each his own, but I believe Rob Reed does have that something special and Christina takes it to another level.  But I do think you are right, he may have a killer in him to top what he has done so far.  New album coming around January and it could be a monster.  Let's hope.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 11:59
Originally posted by johnobvious

Originally posted by darqdean

Magenta are Good, but for me they will never be Great, but it will not stop me buying their CDs.
 
But IMO they lack that certain magic - that unknown element that marks them out from the crowd, the one that makes them Different, Special. I wish I knew what it was, because there are dozens of really talented bands out there that suffer from the same affliction, but perhaps one day they'll find it themselves and release the killer CD.


To each his own, but I believe Rob Reed does have that something special and Christina takes it to another level.  But I do think you are right, he may have a killer in him to top what he has done so far.  New album coming around January and it could be a monster.  Let's hope.
I agree (with both of us Confused) - Rob does have something, as he demonstrated on the Chimpan A side project, I hope he brings some of that to the next Magenta album.


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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:00
You've heard the Chipman A?  Do you think it should be on PA?  I'm not sure myself.  I heard someone call it prog but not prog rock.


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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:25
Well, I left the Magenta performance at NearFest for a few songs because I was bored.  I went back though for the White Witch, and that was quite good.  On the whole their performance was strong, I just found some of the material............well, tedious.

I have their first two albums.  Revolutions I like, for it's retro, influences on the sleeve sound.  A very well done original tribute to 70's prog.  Seven I just find too bland and homogeneous.  But to each his own I guess.  I really do think they are a good band, and they were probably the most energetic and lively band at NF, they just don't do a whole lot for me.

I think it was the Home material that caused me to leave the theater, since I didn't recognize the songs.

(actually, leaving turned out to be kind of interesting since I got to see Rodger Dean pass out on the floor after downing a 9% alcohol beer given to him by the violin player of Frogg Cafe.................I kid you not...............................then the FC bass player yelled over to Rodger as he was pulling out another beer, "Hey Rodger, need another beer!"  LOL  Apparently Rodger hadn't had a beer in many years.  I couldn't make this up.)




Posted By: Magic Mountain
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:27
I saw them at NEARFest in June.  They were much better live than on their studio cds.  The guitarist played very emotional which I do not find so much on the studio recordings.


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:34
I think the main criticism of Magenta is that they are too derivative. Their music often lacks originality. That said, I enjoy their msuic a lot, and would advise taking such criticism with a pinch of salt.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:42
Originally posted by johnobvious

You've heard the Chipman A?  Do you think it should be on PA?  I'm not sure myself.  I heard someone call it prog but not prog rock.
They are one of my 'guilty secret' bands - a perfect example of Pop-prog at its best and at times it is jaw-droppingly good. They are definitely a Neo-Prog band by my reckoning and should be here.
 
The blend of styles is innovative, invigorating and very well executed. I prefer them over Frost (who I would cynically classify as Neo-bandwagon) any day. However I can imagine the reaction around here when people hear the Tubular Bells sample Wink - but it's nothing worse than Mike has done himself and he actually endorses its use.
 
The singer from The Storys (Steve Balsamo) is a little too boyband sounding for comfort and that weakens the album IMO, but the guest singers, Sam Brown, Sian Cothi, Margo Buchannan and of course Magenta's Christina Booth are all excellent. I even like the Faithless style spoken word from Tony Dallas.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:45
Magenta had a big campaign to get their last single into the charts and it looked like they might do it at one point. Unfortunately it wasn't that good. Personally I reckon their music would appeal to the non-prog listening public, all they need is the right exposure.

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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 13:50
Originally posted by darqdean

Originally posted by johnobvious

You've heard the Chipman A?  Do you think it should be on PA?  I'm not sure myself.  I heard someone call it prog but not prog rock.
They are one of my 'guilty secret' bands - a perfect example of Pop-prog at its best and at times it is jaw-droppingly good. They are definitely a Neo-Prog band by my reckoning and should be here.
 
The blend of styles is innovative, invigorating and very well executed. I prefer them over Frost (who I would cynically classify as Neo-bandwagon) any day. However I can imagine the reaction around here when people hear the Tubular Bells sample Wink - but it's nothing worse than Mike has done himself and he actually endorses its use.
 
The singer from The Storys (Steve Balsamo) is a little too boyband sounding for comfort and that weakens the album IMO, but the guest singers, Sam Brown, Sian Cothi, Margo Buchannan and of course Magenta's Christina Booth are all excellent. I even like the Faithless style spoken word from Tony Dallas.


After I got the CD, I thought I could add it to the list of prog that my wife might like.  She's okay with it but it is another wasted effort to get her on my bandwagon, like so many before it.  Cry  Good stuff though.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 14:27
I haven't much liked what little I've heard of them; sounded commercial and unadventurous to my ears.  That said, I would think that they could find considerable popular success due to the aforementioned qualities.

As Majester X intimates, being excellent does not mean that a band will make it big.  Artistic success (which tends to be in the ear of the behearer anyway) does not equal commercial success.  The music of many talented bands that did not make it big was too demanding/ unconventional for mass consumption (not formulaic, innovative, weird...).

That said, sounds like a very competent band, and I wish them success.  Since I haven't heard much of the band's work, which album or song do you consider to be their most experimental/ innovative? I haven't heard enough to form a strong opinion, but would like to hear some of their most progressive stuff.


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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 14:30
^^Seven is the best of the bunch and the one that will tell you if you like the band or not

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 14:41
Thanks!  I like the concept, so that sounds like a great place to start.  Actually, I already know Gluttony off that album -- pleasant, but very mainstream sounding.  It's often the case that I just have to find that right song or moment (like a great transition) to click before the whole thing falls into place.


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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 15:03
Originally posted by johnobvious

^^Seven is the best of the bunch and the one that will tell you if you like the band or not



Funny, I don't like Seven all that much but really like Revolutions.  Of course, Revolutions is more of a 70's prog tribute than anything else, and is almost entirely the work of Rob Reed.  Seven and Home are the ones that seem to show the actual sound of Magenta as a band.  I haven't heard Home yet.




Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by infandous

Originally posted by johnobvious

^^Seven is the best of the bunch and the one that will tell you if you like the band or not



Funny, I don't like Seven all that much but really like Revolutions.  Of course, Revolutions is more of a 70's prog tribute than anything else, and is almost entirely the work of Rob Reed.  Seven and Home are the ones that seem to show the actual sound of Magenta as a band.  I haven't heard Home yet.




Home is a grower and quite a departure from Seven in concept.  Shorter songs, telling one story over the course of the album.  A lot more slower passages and some uniques songs that are a bit of a departure from their tried and true.  Christina really sings a lot on the album and does a fantastic job.  It took a few listens but the last time it really clicked.


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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:50
I think the reason Magenta are not huge is that they essentially fall between two stools. Their music is not catchy enough to qualify as pop and not complex or adventurous enough to quality as prog (except of the neo variety).


Posted By: Inverted
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 01:09
I look everywhere, yet I cannot find Seven. I have been looking for about 6 months now. Perhaps that is why they aren't huge. (Not like it's easy to find Flower Kings albums either though).

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Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 04:36
You can get seven on the bands own website.


Posted By: Inverted
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 09:08
Thank you!


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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 10:09
Originally posted by Inverted

I look everywhere, yet I cannot find Seven. I have been looking for about 6 months now. Perhaps that is why they aren't huge. (Not like it's easy to find Flower Kings albums either though).


I buy my cd's from kinesiscd.com and lasercd.com here in the states and they both have Seven.  Laser has tons of FK as well.  I can easily recommend both outlets as being easy to use and work with.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 14:02
In have Home with the New York Suite. o be honest I find it rather boring and dull, more a series of abnormally long pop songs with a unifying concept rather than a proper neo prog album. The few songs I have heard from Seven and Revolutions are considerably better, though, IMO.



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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:26
I think that the curse of many smaller prog bands is that they have a decent audience when you count every fan world-wide, but not enough fans are concentrated in any one place to really tour effectively and play a lot of shows.

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Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:47
Great point...shall we create a small private country called Prog ???


Posted By: Sunhillow_
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:35
cos they are boring Dead


Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 03:54
Sunhillow, what bands excite you ?


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 04:08
Originally posted by ian picken

Magenta should be huge, they are great musicians, have a brilliant vocalist, great songs and are a top live group. If there was justice they would be playing Hammersmith odeon instead of the Borderline in nov.

If there was justice VdGG would be playing Las Vegas every night with people having to book for the show half a year in advance. Not that they would ever do that, by the way; Peter Hammill hates standing still, and playing Las Vegas every night he would definitely regard as standing still.


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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 05:52
On my one-man campaign against crap snare drumming. Magenta are yet another group who cannot control their snare drumming. Seven would be such a superb album if it wasn't for the crap snare which IMHO totally spoils it.


Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 08:50
Originally posted by Easy Livin



I think the main criticism of Magenta is that they are too derivative. Their music often lacks originality. That said, I enjoy their msuic a lot, and would advise taking such criticism with a pinch of salt.


I think you hit the nail on the head Bob. That is exactly what i think. They are a very good band, and Christina has loads of charisma, but they lack originality. But, as you said, that does not mean they aren't enjoyable.

Infandous, I know exactly when you left the NEARfest show. It did get a little tedious in the middle. The rest of the set was fantastic. If they had kept the same level throughout their performance, they would have had my vote for best band of day one. However, they weren't able to top Izz.

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Posted By: Bupie
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:25
I discovered Magenta with their DVD The Gathering and it was something like love at first sight.
 
For me, who likes light and melodic prog, Seven is a dream of an album. Revolutions was great too. Home and their last single Speechless were more of a disappointment because they are leaning towards a more mainstream direction. Anyway, you may not like Christina's voice but I think that Rob Reed's talent as a composer is unquestionable.
 
I have often been doubtful about the band's marketing choices, though. Why so many EP's ? The Night and Day one, with three versions of the same (average) song, doesn't seem a good idea to me, to say the least. With all the material of their EP's and singles, they could have made up an entire album. But I guess they have their reasons.
 
I wonder if they sell more albums than Mostly Autumn, that IMHO can be put in the same sub-category : light and melodic progrock with female voices.
 
People who like those two bands should also check out the first album of  The Reasoning, a band initiated by Magenta's former bassplayer.


Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 08:25
The Reasoning are very good.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 08:34
Perhaps they had average-sized human parents, and are well past their initial pubescent growth spurts? Ermm
 
Shocked Now Giant Sloths -- they were huge on the pleistocine prog scene:
 
Approve Here I am with the bass player at a big rock concert....
 
Geek Seriously though, human giganticism is not feasible from an evolutionary/biological perspective. The massive skeletal structure and spinal cord required, along with the tremendous demands on the heart, plus the enormous dietary requirements (not to mention resultant rapid bodily heat loss due to possessing such a large surface area) render extreme size in the unfurred human organism  an evolutionary dead end. By contrast, the pygmies of central Africa (continued on pg 213)
 


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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 08:53
Originally posted by Peter

Perhaps they had average-sized human parents, and are well past their initial pubescent growth spurts?




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Posted By: Bupie
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 09:57
Originally posted by ian picken

The Reasoning are very good.
 
I second you on that point even if they lack a great vocalist IMHO. Would their album be on this site (which it deserves), I would give it a solid four stars ! 


Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 10:08
Originally posted by ian picken

Magenta should be huge, they are great musicians, have a brilliant vocalist, great songs and are a top live group. If there was justice they would be playing Hammersmith odeon instead of the Borderline in nov.
 send me  copie of their cds and then I 'll let you know what doI think.Wink


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Posted By: ian picken
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 15:24
Why are The Reasoning not on this site????


Posted By: Bupie
Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 03:42
Originally posted by ian picken

Why are The Reasoning not on this site????
 
Take a loot at the admission procedure and you will have the beginning of an answer Wink I didn't find the bravery to try to put them in ...


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 04:07
Count me as a fan. Christina has a wonderfull pure singing voice and Rob Reed know hows to write and arrange a tune effectively.Together they are backed up by some fine musicians especially the excellent lead guitarist Chris Fry. Highy recommend anyone to see them playing live.You don't have to know their music intimately as there are plenty of references to old prog (not a bad thing) . ...oh and also Christina is very lovely!



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