the most hated Genesis song
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Topic: the most hated Genesis song
Posted By: Edgar01
Subject: the most hated Genesis song
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 19:46
| I really love this band but there are some songs( I have listed them all) which I cant stand. The worse Genesis song to me is No reply at all......When i heard it for the first time I just couldnt believe its the same band that recorded Cinema Show.. What do you think |
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 19:53
I don't know what could be worst than WHO DUNNIT
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 19:55
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Follow you follow me!
If misunderstanding were on here than I would definately choose that, but FYFM is the reason for lots of genesis hate! ------------- 
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 19:55
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Sometimes a song comes along at a point in time that it seems totally relevant to whats going in my life and had it come along at another point in time I may not have felt the same way about it.. I`m a minority that for some some unexplained reason "Your Own Special Way" came along at a special time making it a special song for me and probably me alone. I`m a firm believer that the songs true feelings must emanate and I put prog elements secondary at times if the song has feeling and yes some love songs have substance as love is such a wide array of human emotion we all get swept up in. I`m a little disappointed "Your Own Special Way" is on the list but that's they way the cookie crumbles  |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:12
| Where is Just a Job?! They play that steaming pile of rubbish everyday on classic rock radio stations. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:20
I do: "I Can't Dance"!!!! I actually like all of the Collins songs listed, except for "Who Dunnit". E ------------- 
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febus wrote:Posted By: Pawned Heart
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:25
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^ Ditto. How is that not on the list? |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:27
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Wot Gorilla is a great instrumental. It should not be there.
ILLEGAL ALIEN is the worst......................................................
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:43
| Who dunnit |
Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:43
Thirded....I Can't Dance for me is the culmination of their fall from glory... ------------- Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass |
Posted By: blaughida
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:50
Absolutely. Illegal Alien is horrible, and not even in a so-bad-it's-funny way. I am quite far from fond of a couple of others, notably I Can't Dance and In Too Deep (I thought the latter was a solo Collins song for a very long time), but Illegal Alien is the only one that is offensive and completely unlistenable. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 20:51
i agree with you but this song was not listed!
 .......but it should have been there .......would have made a strong contender to win this poll
 for sure! w |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 21:28
| Wot Gorilla kicks ass, I'll vote for Invisible Touch. Ever work at a place that plays "classic rock" all day ? |
Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 22:06
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I don't hate INVISIBLE TOUCH just don't like it... is really horrible even for a pop song! ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 22:10
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first of all 'Abacab' is great song, 'pop' or not... and is there really anything worse than 'Who Dunnit?'
..yeah, didn't think so. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 22:12
 I don't know all of their newer stuff (don't know the last six songs listed), but I honestly can't think of any Genesis track that I strongly dislike -- let alone "hate."(You see, I think that when they wrote pop songs, they were mostly rather good pop songs -- though some were just "okay.") Even at their "worst," they're still better than most of what I hear on the radio these days!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Inverted
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 22:50
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It makes me sad to see this. Even the Phil-led Genesis, (and the Ray Wilson incarnation, for that matter) still managed to put together some very complex poppy songs. Though they may not be at the level of The Knife or Supper's Ready, they are still good songs, but popular music standards, and even by my standards (which are very high). It seems there is a lot of complaining going on here and very little support.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 23:20
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Are you out of your freaking mind? Why the hell wasn't Misunderstanding included? For shame, for shame!!!!
As lower quality Geneis songs go More Fool Me and Whodunnit aren't all that bad. I was liking Follow You Follow Me a lot on the radio before I became a zombie prog person. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: sheeves
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 23:54
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i actually love all of those songs, pretty much except for who dunnit, but i think that one is ok still
the one song that i hate by genesis is Mama |
Posted By: sheeves
Date Posted: August 28 2007 at 23:56
i agree with you completely, but i don't think we should mention that on this thread, because then there will be a huge argument and eventually someone will threaten phil collins life, and we don't need that, so let's just skip all that |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 00:21
If it's not listed, then I won't render a vote. As much as I like Collins-era Genesis, that song is just heinous. I think that, "Jesus Knows Me", and "Whodunnit" are the only Genesis tunes that I'll actually skip when listening to the discs. E -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 00:23
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To me, 'Your own special way' is a harbinger of the greatest sellout in the history of the universe. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 00:46
| I don't get this hatred of pop songs for their own sake. However, I reserve a special place of distaste for 'Illegal Alien.' Racist and in such poor taste, the track makes me cringe. The music is poor too. It's the only GENESIS track I'll skip. |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 02:23
 It couldn't have been said better!!!
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 03:03
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Musically: The Way Of The World, because it's much too mediocre for Genesis. Mediocrity and Genesis? Never the twain should meet.
As it comes to lyrics: I Can't Dance.
(BTW, one of the worst lyrical lines: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, we're gonna make it right".)
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Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 03:47
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the one that i actively hate is not on your list. it has to
be “throwing it all up, errrrr, away“, esp. with that annoying sing-along routine that phil always does live... out of your entertaining yet a tad useless list i would vote for “the way of the world“ – among the others are some very fine and timeless pop songs with sometimes more than a progressive twist. ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 03:57
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I don't like some of what they did after Hackett left (I think he affected the band more than Gabriel when he left) but they did some good pop stuff amongst the dung. For me, More Fool Me has to get the vote because it sticks out like a sore willy on the Selling England album. Wrong singer, wrong atmosphere, wrong subject matter. Foul. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 03:58
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Invisible Touch .Horrible pop drivel that hasn't improved with age (some pop does).
Who Dunnit? actually makes me laugh.It was obviously intended as a joke
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 04:06
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 04:27
I equate it to modes of locomotion. Once you learn to walk, you rarely go back to crawling. Unless you need to get into some tight area where you can't really stand to do some job that requires the crawl function. Pop songs are like crawling, prog is lke walking. Once you have discovered prog or jazz or some other thoughtful music you only need pop for the odd job like dancing with a hot chick or something. Otherwise, what the hell's the point? ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Casartelli
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 04:34
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The two worst Genesis songs are not in the list (i.e. *ll*g*l *l**n and * c*n't d*nc*), so I went with the monumentally insipid In Too Deep. This one takes the cake just before Whodunnit, which has a kind of fun in it, it just lasts a bit too long (can you imagine, three entire minutes of fun?). Harbinger or not, I think Your Own Special Way is a beautiful song and I'm a bit sad it's on this list and even more sad that it's 4th position in the number of votes now. Wot Gorilla is excellent as well. Some other songs are likable as well (Me And Sarah Jane, That's All and of course the three Calling All Stations songs (especially Not About Us)). |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:09
oh, my, it's quotes like these why us prog fans cannot walk around in public without people jeering and pointing the finger at us... ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:20
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More fool me, Its not becuas its a simple pop tune i dont like it. Its caus its a very bad song and what its doing on SEBTP i have no idea, filler song if there ever was one. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:26
I'm sorry, but 'Who Dunnit?' is an offence to the sensibilites...and for me, 'wins' (or is that 'loses'?) by a country mile.... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:44
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I feel ashamed when people hear Who Dunnit, and know that I listen to Genesis. But now you all made me want to listen to Duke again...
/me digs the album from the shelf |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:50
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On the list,'Me and Sarah Jane'
But I really do not like 'Ballad of Big' Those lyrics! Arrrgh! ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 07:54
Mama is the only Genesis song I'll turn off if it comes on the radio. I can't stand the "ha ha heh heh" part. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 09:31
| Only listened to their big albums...so More Fool Me it is |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 11:12
| Three Sides Live and the first album are both shockingly underrepresented in this poll. And surely Harlequin deserved a mention. |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 11:19
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Who Dunnit ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:20
Funny, I am almost never jeered or pointed at. Are you? ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:28
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Either Who Dunnit, Anything She Does or In Too Deep (this should have been on a Collins solo album). ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:29
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Hmm, aside from Wot Gorrila (which is a great instrumental and shouldn't be in this list I don't think), I don't like any of these songs really. Can't say I "hate" any of them, though Invisible Touch and Illigal Alien come very close. Someone mentioned Harlequin...........I think that song is excellent. |
Posted By: Matt Dickens
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:38
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illegal alien is definetly the only one I truly hate. Why is it not on the list? ------------- If it ain't broke don't break it. |
Posted By: Matt Dickens
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 12:42
I don't know about that, it seems like an unfair metaphor; as though you are trying to emply that anyone with different musical tastes than your own are inferior to you. ------------- If it ain't broke don't break it. |
Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:01
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- I'm sorry, but ... where is Paperlate? (The trumpets....aarghh!!!). I think no Reply at all is a bad song, but it's better, after all (and in the live version there are no trumpets!!...) - Who dunnit? That is not a song. it's simply a session joke (with Mike playing drums). It doesn't count... - More fool me and That's all are not prog, something different, but they're not bad songs. Some folk tunes... - Wot Gorilla is a great song (I suposse influenced by Phil's work with Brand X). - Follow you, follow me it's a simple but effctive radio-friendly pop song. I don't like it. But it was the beginning of the muted - Turn it on again is classic. Good & simple song (in 9/8). It was covered by a thousend of bands (like Dream Theater), who recongnized his value. - I like Me and Sarah Jane. Is different, but atmospheric and melancholic. Not a masterpiece, but nice. - Abacab is excellent. Obviously, you can feel the 80's electronic sound influence in it. But dou you remember the live version (from Three Sides Live) and the final solo? Oh, God!! Cool!!! - Anything she does is horrible. Is a song for Phil's solo carreer setlist! I only like the video (featuring Benny Hill). - Some ballads of the poll are good stuff: Your own special way, Never a time, In too deep, Shipwrecked, If that's what you need (both with great vocal performances of Ray). - Not about us is not bad. Is really excellent. It's a a semi-acoustic ballad with real feeling. That was something new for Genesis, and I really enjoyed the cover from RPW with Ray Wilson (live). That would be a good direction for the 3rd. Genesis Era. - I disliked Tell me why when I listened it for the 1st. time. But now I think it's a good song, with deep lyrics. Not bad at all. - Never a time is strange. Not good, not too bad. Listenable, at all. - Invisible touch is really awful!! I can't listen that song!! I would like to add another songs that I don’t like (including some b-sides and non-officially edited songs): Illegal Alien, Silver Rainbow, Harlequin, Small talk, Naaminanu, Match of the day, Papa he said, I'd rather by you, Hearts on fire (the two last are really unlistenable...).
Genesis is my all time favourite band (along with Porcupine Tree).
But they wrote an incredible quantity of material, and is really insignificant what I dislike of it. Sorry again, but I can’t hate their songs. Simply, I don’t like a few (of hundreds!!!), and I skip them. I voted (from the list): Anything She does. I really dislike that one. Bad music, bad lyrics (OK the video maybe funny, but the song is the worst of the list).
Special mentions: I dislike more these songs (in order): Illegal Alien, Paperlate, I'd rather by you, Hearts on fire, Invisible Touch. ------------- Arriving somewhere but not here |
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:31
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So funny, I actually voted for No Reply before I read the poster's comments. I can't stand the way Tony fights the horn section with a completely inappropriate keyboard rhythm. It's the only Genesis song that I did not include when I taped my original vinyl albums for listening in the car back in the day.
Until We Can't Dance came along...
Terry
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:33
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Whilst some are much better than others and some are not prog at all I can't say that I actually hate any Genesis tracks. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:39
Enough said. See my signature line for my vote. I have chosen not to vote. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Acolyte
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:42
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"More fool me" is the reason for SEBTP not being the besto prog record ever. ------------- "…but would I leave you in this moment of your trial?" |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 13:44
They are, get over it. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 14:19
| I haven't heard much of the pop Genesis, but from the albums I've heard (including some of the mentioned songs) the most annoying song is Battle of Epping Forest hands down. When Gabriel stops being a singer and becomes an actor, I just can't take his voice. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 14:20
Hate that song too. With a passion. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 14:24
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Posted By: mistertorture
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 14:55
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That list is missing several songs. Some Genesis songs I don't like: Paperlate Illegal Alien Anything She Does I Can't Dance Congo -------------  
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 15:37
| I've always disliked Follow you, Follow me, it's just a bit twee IMO. Sure Genesis have worse songs than that from the 80's but by simply not listening to them I've managed to almost forget what those songs sound like but Follow you, Follow me just wont get out my head. |
Posted By: Matt Dickens
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 15:40
Then it has been said....they are inferior to the both of us then. ------------- If it ain't broke don't break it. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 15:47
Asking this question without "illegal Alien" as a choice is like asking "best Tull album" without TAAB as a choice...
Yes, even Who Dunnit' is better than the atrocity called Illegal Alien.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 16:47
| Boy is this a popular thread. Looks like Gneesis have upset most of us at one time or another! |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:15
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Just an observation -- please correct me if i'm wrong -- but it seems, from many of the venomous posts here and elsewhere, as if a lot of today's "prog" fans have real problems with pretty melodies, simpler song structures, lyrics that deal with that four-letter word LOVE, and/or sensitivity, sentimentality and beauty, in general. Why are the softest (or funniest) songs always the ones that get the most scorn heaped upon them here? I mean, Harlequin, for goodness sake? What's wrong with that one? I've always loved it. "Most hated?" Childhood must have been very miserable for an awful lot of you -- never hugged, were you? Mom and Dad hated each other?And Gabriel putting on the different voices of the characters in the songs, as in Epping Forest (or so MUCH of their early material, like Harold the Barrel, lots of the Lamb, etc)? I always really loved those parts, as part of the complexity and depth of prog, and Genesis' unique character & stage show. You didn't just get a song from one point of view, you got a story with multiple characters and sections being presented -- even acted out --in front of you. There was often a generous helping of humour in such parts as well, to counter-balance the prevailing pretension and seriousness of so much of the rest. (Yes it's only knock and know-all, but I like it!) That was so much more than most bands were doing! I still really love to sing along with "they called me the reverend, when I entered the church unstained" or "you are a robbing hood!" If you hate that aspect of early Genesis and Gabriel, then a "rock opera" like the Who's Tommy must be TOTAL crap..... It seems like "prog" (or at least its fans) is getting less varied and imaginative, more straight-forward, and above all more unsmilingly MACHO these days. Most seem to have no problem with singers who "growl" like demons, endless songs about murder, self-loathing, suicide, death and hatred, frowning publicity shots where today's prog idols look as if they'd just as soon kill you (and there's a place for that too, i guess)  ... but a LOVE song? That's utter filth -- something you'd scrape off the bottom of your shoe, right? I pity your girlfriends and your children.... Lighten up, for Pete's sake, and stop taking music so goddamn seriously. Love is a real and positive thing. It's a source of inspiration for artists, and a source of courage and strength for all who find it (you have to seek it, to find it) -- it's not a sign of weakness or delusion. Smiling feels good. Try it -- I'll pay for the stiches if your face cracks.  Sigh. To quote the Tubes: "I know you can't believe it but YOU'RE NO FUN." Spread the hate. Crap on everything. Find the inevitable flaws in everyone and everything, and focus on them. Tear it all down -- never build it up.  Sorry, but I needed to vent -- these kinds of threads seem more and more common, and bring me down. Most of you probably just need love, and to get away from your computers for awhile. We all need love and understanding. Hugs and smiles are very good.Rant over. My sincerest apologies. Okay, this old song from the 60s is a bit sappy, and 'twee," I suppose, but I think it nonetheless makes a darn good point that is perhaps even more apt now, than it was back then:One Tin Soldier
by Lambert-Potter, sung
by Coven
That was written long ago, 'Bout a kingdom on a mountain And the valley-folk below. On the mountain was a treasure Buried deep beneath the stone, And the valley-people swore They'd have it for their very own. Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgment day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. So the people of the valley Sent a message up the hill, Asking for the buried treasure, Tons of gold for which they'd kill. Came an answer from the kingdom, "With our brothers we will share All the secrets of our mountain, All the riches buried there." Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgment day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses! Draw your sword!" And they killed the mountain-people, So they won their just reward. Now they stood beside the treasure, On the mountain, dark and red. Turned the stone and looked beneath it... "Peace on Earth" was all it said.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:18
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^lol it wasn't hard to guess what the nature of your post would be, when I noticed the title. Is this the official "Peter" shtick? ;P edit: oops, new page. referring to Mr. Rideout's usual crusade against strong feeling ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:32
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:33
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^^(page up) I'm with Peter on this one... sorry folks, but the title of this thread makes me want to press clear form rather than Post Reply...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:39
No, I like strong feelings -- they're a sign of life and real consciousness. I'd just like to see more POSITIVE ones voiced here more often. There's already more than enough hate in the world. Nice melodic songs about love don't deserve hate -- evil and inhumanity do. A typical overreaction on my part, to the typical gloomy cynicism of youth? Almost certainly -- I always was a sensitive soul. (I get teary-eyed at the most awkward things. Poems. Lyrics. A beautiful violin solo. A simple, noble act of humanity or charity.) Maybe my "biorhythms" are just down.... I know I feel more than a bit tired and stressed today, especially at this busy time of the school year. Sorry if it doesn't apply.  Life is short -- death awaits us all. It's hard to live, sometimes. Hugs, compassion, smiles and a nice melody to whistle on the walk toward the graveyard.... Look, a flower between the headstones... A flower?  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 17:56
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I don't particularly care for latter day Genesis, but I don't really dislike the either. They had a winning brand of AOR that was not bad for 80s chart material, just as long as you didn't confuse it with the classic prog band of the 70s.
The Genesis songs which irritate me are those which clog up the early albums, namely:
The Battle Of Epping Forest - musically clumsy and lyrically slightly less convincing than a Guy Ritchie gangster film. The 'reverend' interlude is rather nicely done, though.
Get 'em out by Friday - admirable sentiment, some decent musical passages but rather rambling and incoherent.
All In A Mouse's Night - WAW begins and ends as classic Genesis, sags a bit in the middle (Your Own Special Way tries to be Ripples II but falls flat, while Wot Gorilla is a b side that somehow found its way onto an already long album) and plummets into hitherto uncharted depths with this, infinitely the weakest of the generally lame comedy songs Genesis kept including on their albums.
------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 18:11
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I was so disappointed about the ATTWT album and especially the single Follow You, Follow Me, that I decided not to join my friends to visit the tour so I missed the wonderful mirrors show and the great renditions of many pre-ATTWT songs, I am sure that if the awful crappy and poppy sounding Follow You, Follow Me would not have been on the album, I would have said 'yes' to my friends because for me that damned single epitomizes the more poppy sound by The Phil Collins Trio !
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 18:19
Ummmm....Lighten up indeed.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 18:44
Yes, I see the irony. But still, does a catchy love song like "Follow You follow Me" really deserve hatred? (I really like that song, & always have -- so you may as well hate me too for my sentimentality.) Yes, it's true: Genesis dared to change their sound after Gabriel left -- get over it already.& what sort of reactions might I expect if I start a "most hated Opeth song" or "most hated Dream Theater song" thread here, hmmmm? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: ProgRobUK
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 19:34
Have to agree. Illegal Alien would be top of my list but Silver Rainbow is unlistenable to as well.
Cheers
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 19:37
perhaps it's time to find out? =) ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 19:46
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To quote myself from the favorite Genesis Song poll: As for the constant negativity towards Illegal Alien: 1. I actually liked that song when it came out, and I still like it now. I have mentioned in other forum topics, I was aware of and liked Phil Collins' era Genesis way before I was aware of Peter Gabriel era Genesis which was way before my prog time. Therefore, somewhat ironically I am fond of their newer stuff for its "historical" attachment, whereas, the older stuff is still relatively new to me. I suppose that it just hasn't been drilled in to my head as much as the catchier pop prog songs of the post-Gabriel years. 2. For those that say it isn't progressive, it is a song that is way ahead of its time. With the current increased U.S. political debates, these days, it is definitely "no fun, being an illegal alien".
As to the negative Opeth thread, see the thread "When did Opeth become Prog?". For Tool, see "I can't get into Tool". For Dream Theater, see the hundred or so threads that bash them. -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 20:10
Not only do I find it "listenable," but pleasurable. It's all a matter of individual taste. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 20:33
I think thread titles like those are still a far cry away from 'Most Hated ____ Song," in terms of overall nastiness and provocation factor.Questioning a listed band's "prog" status is one thing, observing that you can't "get into" a band another, but I think words like "hated" have a much greater likelihood to offend and inflame. It's like that offensive "overrated" thing -- i wish folks would word some of their threads more carefully. (Again, the trouble with that word is that it does not so much refer to the writer's taste, as it condemns the tastes of others.) Anyway, please understand that I was reading this thread on a bad day. I was feeling tired & down, and many of the posts here -- roundly condemning songs I've long loved, like Harlequin and Battle of Epping Forest, & some I've always liked (More Fool Me, for example) just seem out of place, and unnecessarily nasty, It's not easy to just sit back and see something which you hold dear get so bashed around -- least of all on a forum supposedly dedicated to the love of prog. I know, individual songs by listed bands aren't unassailable "sacred cows" (nor should they be), but HATED?  That's just immature, nasty, and looking for a fight, IMO -- a thread tailor-made to offend. (Hate is such a strong, emotional, provocative word. I think it should be reserved for truly deserving evils and injustices -- at least in print. Try ''least liked.") ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 20:46
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Anyway, enough of this -- no hard feelings. Taste in art is a strange and varied beastie. I'm going out for a ride on my bike, and a cup of tea. That should cheer me up!  Supposedly the mall near my house is on fire -- think I'll take a look (I hope no one's hurt!)Carry on!
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 00:11
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Peter you had many good points. I was very careful not to use the word "hate", I don't even hate all the unlistenable crap from radio I'm forced to listen at work, it's just not worth it. My problem with Epping Forest is indeed a matter of individual taste. I have no problem whatsoever with expressive vocal styles in general, it's just my unfortunate dislike in some colours of Gabriel's voice. And it makes me sad, that Selling England could be a truly great album if it wasn't for this one song I can't enjoy (I'm not a big fan of I Know What I Like either, but More Fool Me is a nice little song). I'm actually looking forward to getting to know the poppier side of Genesis, because I like Collins's voice and I have a perversion for the pop hits of the 80's. |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 01:52
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Well to each his own but, But the Battle of Epping Forest is my most favorite Genesis song of all time.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 03:45
| To be fair, most of the songs in the poll options come from after Genesis classic prog days. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 03:49
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"The Musical Box." I mean, what the crap is up with that song? Sure, "Watcher of the Stars" was cheeezy and pointless, but at least it was catchy and headbanging. "Box" is thoroughly unmemorable. Oh, and "Epping Forest" is awesome. LOADS better than that "Supper's Ready" rip off known as "Cinema Show" that gets all the press. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 03:54
ah, sarcasm... luv it. i also plead guilty of at times taking me and my sick music taste a tad too seriously... we shouldn't really. it's simply (great and imaginative) music. i am equally comfortable listening to good punk rock or electronica. or good pop songs like latter-day genesis are capable of creating. ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: blaughida
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 10:00
Tony didn't want the horn section on there, right? He wanted to do them himself with his keyboards but Phil was obsessed with EW&F. Maybe that's why he made the song unlistenable. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 12:41
It's funny, but I've always thought of Cinema Show as a Musical Box ripoff.....
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 19:29
Further proving that Genesis is just a bunch of great silly men! The only good song they were ever able to do was "Steam." ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 20:32
/\ The truth is that Genesis yust was a bad King Crimson tribute band making a career of copying In the Court of the crimso King and finaly giving up realising they whuld never be abel too improve KC orginal masterpice and starting to make radio pop to finally get some money for thiere hard work.  -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 20:37
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Nah, Genesis ain't a Crimso rip off; if they was, they'd have more rockin' geetar solos! ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 20:52
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 30 2007 at 20:54
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I recall a line from my (never to be submitted) Selling England review: "The flute is just okay, Ian must not have been feeling too well that day...oh, wait, this is Genesis! Then the flute's pretty good, yeah." ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |