greatest debut album from a prog band ?
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Topic: greatest debut album from a prog band ?
Posted By: Yorkie X
Subject: greatest debut album from a prog band ?
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:08
I think King Crimson deserve a mention for "In The Court of The Crimson King" for sure but how can we forget to mention Marillion "Script for a jester's tear" and perhaps Kansas deserve a mention for their first album entitled "Kansas" one of my personal favourites is "Back in the world of adventures" by the Flower Kings these are all some of my personal favourites ... anyway what I`m looking for in this thread is what debut album really kicked the door of it hinges and made you sit up and take notice , can be modern band doesn't have to be an old recording ? 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:10
Trespass wasn't Genesis' debut  -------------   |
Yorkie X wrote:Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:12
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Trespass wasn't the debut.
In the Court.. is probably the best. I find "Entropia" by Pain of Salvation and "Emerson, Lake and Palmer" self-titled debut to be serious contenders. |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:14
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:15
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'From Genesis to Revelation' Yorkie... their first album.... and not a bad one actually
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:17
I agree Micky. Not a bad beginning. Of course, it could have been better without the strings, and they would go on to much more creative heights, but it is not a bad album for a bunch of 18 year old kids. And it shows a lot of potential for great things. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:19
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:22
To call Trespass their debut is simply wrong, regardless of changes in musical direction that occurred before it. ------------- |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:23
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:29
jeez, bunch'a taskmasters  
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:29
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Well, bringing this back around to the topic, I'd have to go with "In the Court"; however, honorable mentions must go to several other albums: Piper at the Gates, Journey to the Centre of the Eye, Tales of Mystery and Imagination, Script, Tales from the Lush Attic (or even 7 Stories Into 8, depending on which you consider their first album), Gentle Giant, Egg, Camel, Songs from the Lions Cage, Back in the World of Adventure. There are probably a few I'm missing.
Aha, I knew I missed someone...Aerosol Grey Machine. Also very fond of Fool's Mate. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: terrylity
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:44
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Anglagard's Hybrid for me, as well as those of Arena, Frost (milliontown), Script, to name a few that come up in my head just now. ------------- The Unbearable Weight of A Being ... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:45
While there are a great many superb debuts by superb bands, Magma's Kobaïa (1970) deserves special mention as it heralds such an amazing movement in progressive music. And how many now long-standing bands debuted with a glorious double-album to boot? ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 23:51
| Mahavishnu Orchestra-Inner Mounting Flame, Its hard to appreciate now how radical this sounded back then. |
Posted By: Hallogallo
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:32
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DOM - Edge Of Time The greatest first and last album ever made!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Drekavac/?chartstyle=iTunesFIXED"> 
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:45
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Excluding one-off bands
PFM - Storia di un Minuto
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
IQ - Tales from the Lush Attic
Supertramp - s/t
The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
ELP - s/t
King Crimson - ItCotCK
Rick Wakeman - Six Wives
Kansas - s/t
Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
I would certainly have Banco on here but I haven't heard the whole thing yet (I know I know...too much music to listen to though) but from what I can tell it would be neck-and-neck with the bakery boys.
as usual, I've inevitably forgotten some but this is a fairly decent list; you'll notice that most of these are poppy or accesible: I believe that these type of records tend to make better debut's, as the darker, rougher sounds take more experience to do correctly.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 00:49
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the winner is probably ELP, but U.K., Wobbler, Cartoon, Planet X, Wakeman, all had amazing first records... |
Posted By: Monastic_Bacon
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 01:22
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Simon Imagin
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 01:29
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 01:58
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I've got 2 words for you : Anglagard - Hybris. That's the best prog
debut I have ever heard and I have heard QUITE a lot prog
debuts.It even surpasses (in quality, not originality) ITCOTCK which is
really the only competent debut comming from the big 5. ------------- |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 02:07
MARILLION - Script 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 02:08
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Crucis- Crucis When it comes to being stunning and technical from the get-go, these Argentines knew how to get it done. |
Posted By: kingdhansak
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 02:56
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Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy
Black Sabbath - Same
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 03:07
| ELP and King Crimson for the classics, and The Mars Volta for modern prog. "De-loused in the Comatorium" is nothing short of a masterpiece, and they've never bettered it so far, as good as "Amputechture" is. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 03:17
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Procol Harum (Procol Harum), Family (Music in a Doll's House). NOT Crimso; good as that album was, Larks Tongue was their peak (as far as I've heard). Can't quite report on ELP; been too long since I've heard it. And if we can count Trespass as the first Genesis album, well, then clearly the best Moody Blues album was Days of Future Passed, their first... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 10:19
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 10:36
If you count Close to the Edge as Yes' debut album, it was a fantastic debut.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 11:02
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Recently I have a weakness for Soft Machine's debut. But of course Schizoid is a monument, the debut album.
------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 11:11
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Marillion- Script for a Jesters Tear Wobbler- Hinterland White Willow- Ignis Fatuus Pain Of Salvation- Entropia Kayo Dot- Choirs of the Eye The Mars Volta- De-Loused in the Comatorium The Tangent- The Music that Died Alone The Flower Kings- Back in the World of Adventure ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 11:35
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If ever a band hit the ground running, with a maturity most bands take 4 or 5 albums to achieve, then it's the Enid, with their masterpiece "In the Region of the Summer Stars". OK, I know I've been banging on about it quite a lot lately, but come on,,,just listen to it. Only one member had had any experience in a real (working) band before, but they all play like a bunch of old pro's on this classic symphonic debut album.
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Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 14:39
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For once i have to agree with the majority,as far as debut albums go.There is no greater debut than itcotck. ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 16:43
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Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame KC - ITCOTCK J-Tull - This Was Traffic - Mr. Fantasy Those are my personal favourite debuts.... ------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:18
forgot Traffic, Family, and Mahavishnu Orchestra on my initial post...as good as any.
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Posted By: Progrock105
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:31
| Definately Yes' eponymous debut: a sublime fusion of Jazz and Psychadelic music. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:41
I'll need to listen to that again...I thought it was excellent....but it probably won't stand up to the giant debuts formention, in my opinion. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 04:41
Uhm... The best Prog debut... The more complete Prog debut is here: ------------- 
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Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 06:02
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Trespass wasn't Genesis' debut, it was their second album. "From Genesis to Revelation" was their first album. It was overly popified by that Jonathan King. *cries* Anyway, "In the Court of the Crimson King" is one of the greatest debut albums in progressive rock. (Although I caught my attention slipping away more than once due to the somewhat boring improvisations here and there, it was still a great album) There's also "Yes" by Yes of course, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" by Pink Floyd (would that be considered prog? It IS Pink Floyd), "On the Sunday of Life" by Porcupine Tree, and "Script for a Jester's Tear" by Marillion. Oh, and there's also "Journey" by Journey. Before Steve Perry joined they were Jazz-fusion....shame that only lasted for three albums.  |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 06:22
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Most of the obvious ones (to me) have been mentioned...Script for a Jester's Tear, Songs From the Lions Cage etc and some less obvious ones, like Deloused in the Comatorium and Milliontown.
Some others that I think are excellent are The Dark Third, Don't Bring the Rain, Voyage of the Acolyte, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Out of Myself and Mirror of Insanity. I would name The Jewel, but I think that's Pendragon's weakest effort. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 04:30
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Starting with a great double album, that's something.
Some really great single album debuts:
King Crimson ITCOTCK
Marillion -Script
Psychotic Waltz-A Social Grace
Pain of Salvation-Entropia
The Mars Volta-Deloused in the Comatorium
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 04:32
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"Rush" by Rush
No.... just kidding.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 07:38
You jest but it is a good solid Rock album and still sounds pretty good today.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 07:42
| Back in the World of Adventures by The Flower Kings bearing in mind that The Flower King was a Roine Stolt solo album. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 07:50
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Ozric Tentacles - Erpsongs
I find it more satisfying than later Ozrics for some reason. Later Ozrics is still fantastic!
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 07:52
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Oh, and a few others:
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - ELP
Blind Guardian - Battalions of Fear
Samla Mammas Manna - Samla Mammas Manna
Jethro Tull - This Was
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 11:30
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Oceansize's Effloresce is a very good debut album. Other good ones that come to mind right now (alphabetically by artist): Faust - Faust Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye Taal - Mister Green Univers Zéro - 1313 Änglagård - Hybris |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 11:37
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I think my favourites (in no particular order) are:
Marillion: Script
Jadis: More Than Meets The Eye
Pain Of Salvation: Entropia
Circus Maximus: The 1st Chapter (
 )Threshold: Wounded Land
Riverside: Out Of Myself
Kansas: Kansas
Arena: Songs From The Lion's Chair
IQ: Tales From The Lush Attic
Mind Key: Journey Of A Rough Diamond (seriously underrated.... )------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Frier_John
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 17:57
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ELP's debut album kicks ass.
Don't forget,by the time they already had pictures at an exhibition arranged and good to go.
combined with the debut album they had killer sets live ------------- Soon, oh soon the light, Ours to shape for all time, Ours the right; The sun will lead us, Our reason to be here. |
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 22:43
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 22:46
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In The Court... obviously!
Faust, Mr Bungle and Fantômas' debuts are also excellent, IMO. A few other favorites as well:
Wha-ha-ha - Shinutokiwa Betsu
Happy Family - Happy Family
Cluster - 71
This Heat - This Heat
Gnidrolog - In Spite of Harry's Toenail
Älgarnas Trädgård - Framtiden är ett Svävande Skepp.. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 23:18
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I can only wonder why nobody mentioned Tubular Bells.
My list:
That's for now Iván ------------- 
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