Prog bands that could play Jazz
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Topic: Prog bands that could play Jazz
Posted By: oracus
Subject: Prog bands that could play Jazz
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:15
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I dont know if that is the right section for this subject. But, which band, considering your opinion, they could play in a jazz band or just jazz music, if they wanted to? For me, Maneige is the prog band that can play jazz also. Their music sure has jazz elements but if they wanted they could play pure jazz. What do you think? -------------  |
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:25
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Krimson for starters - check out some of the King Crimson Collector Club series, e.g. the Denver radio recording from the Wallace period. Bruford always claimed he played jazz drums whatever band he was in. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:39
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I'm no expert but surely most incarnations of Magma? Soft Machine? Mahavishnu? Area? Henry Cow? Zao? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:45
| Christian Vander has his own jazz band, so does Didier Malherbe, and *I think* that Jaki Liebezeit does, as well. |
Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:46
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Caravan, Magma, Focus and Gentle Giant ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 10:47
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There is an Eddie Harris album called E.H. in the U.K. in which jazz/RnB saxophonist Harris hires various British rock musicians to back him on a variety of tracks. Its not a great album, but very interesting. My favorite track has Harris leading various members of Yes through a Miles type free fusion jam. The worst track has Ian Paice playing the worst reggae beat ever. I don't remember all the musicians, but I do recall Squire, Kaye, Alan White and others. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 12:45
Indeed. We were informed by Baldfried earlier this year that Didier Malherbe's Hadouk had won a major annual French jazz prize.
Colosseum: Hiseman and Heckstall-Smith had both paid they dues as jazz sidesmen. Colosseum 2 was a jazz rock group.
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Visitor13 wrote:Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 12:58
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Zappa ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 14:18
| Lord and Emerson both took jazz gigs as youngsters. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 17:13
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Phil Collins played jazz in Brand X and Bill Bruford in Earthworks. ------------- 
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 17:18
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 19:50
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that whole jazz fusion section. they had to start with jazz...in order to do some kind of fuseing.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 19:57
| King Crimson might be able to pull it off, but not with whatever saxophonist played those solos on Red. And not if Fripp soloed the way he did in 21st century Schizoid Man. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 20:05
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I wouldn't put it past GG.. National health too |
Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: October 19 2007 at 20:53
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Estradasphere ------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 19 2007 at 20:54
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I am actually becoming very intrigued with Jazz rock, recomendations? ------------- 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 10:32
Any help? http://www.amazon.co.uk/25-great-albums-to-start-a-jazz-rock-library/lm/RPLR4BTT3SJC/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_title_full/203-6416569-7437549 ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 12:17
Check out Italian band Mass Media, they also play Rick Wakeman and The Nice covers but their attempts to play jazzrock are awesome and very exciting 
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 12:28
Ian, these are my faves: Pat Metheny - Speaking of Now Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior Brand X - Unorthodox Behavior Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo Maneige - Les Porches Those are all good starting places, I'd think. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 13:22
And anything with this feller on the bottom-end.  |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: October 23 2007 at 01:34
1) Return To Forever : "Where Have I Know You Before"
2) Weather Report :"I Sing The Body Electric"
3) If : "Waterfall "
4) Back Door : "Activate"
5) Terje Rypdal¨: "Odissey"
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 23 2007 at 01:41
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...and five from me Colosseum ll Electric Savage Tony Williams Emergency Allan Holdsworth i.o.u. Niacin Organik Bruford Feels Good to Me |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 23 2007 at 11:59
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I actually think Radiohead could pull off being a jazz band to some extent....parts of Amnesiac hint at such anyway as for Jazz recommendations, a recent jazz *non prog* album I've been listening to is Clifford Brown and Max Roach's "Study in Brown"...good, uptempo jazz -------------  |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 01:53
| Prog has always attracted a rather high level of musicianship, so I really doubt that there are many top flight prog groups who would not be up to the demands of jazz. Of course there is more to jazz than technical skill, but I would think that most people who had the chops could learn the rest. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 09:44
The new solo album Double Talk by Theo Travis (Gong and Soft Machine Legacy) readily demonstrates how a jazz musician easily slips in prog rock and blues rock. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 11:27
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Schizo, my classic fusion top 5: ../album.asp?id=8010 - Black Market ../album.asp?id=3473 - Unorthodox Behaviour ../album.asp?id=3356 - Inner Mounting Flame ../album.asp?id=5306 - Return To Forever ../album.asp?id=5330 - Hot Rats (you might also want to try some SBB, Leb I Sol, Area, Colosseum)  ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 12:41
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Surely many of the bands or albums cited here, won't be out of place in lists of jazz rock bands or albums. The thread specifically states Prog bands that could play Jazz. To continue from above: the new Theo Travis album reminds me both:
a) many of the early prog bands started off with members who played jazz professionally
b) prog bands realising they needed to broaden and deepen their music, subsequently took on board jazz players.
King Crimson fits both (a) and (b) - for as an example of (b) Mel Collins had previously played professionally in a jazz/jazz-rock group Circus - a fact omitted in the Wikipaedia entry on Collins.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 12:53
I think I have mentioned this to you before, but my take on things is that a lot of aspiring young jazz musicians in the mid-60s didn't want to deal with the jazz establishment. Also with rock starting to open up it probably seemed a lot more fun and profitabe to play your jazz licks on a rock stage. I also think with the major cutural shifts going on at that time, a lot of these guys were not just into jazz anymore but also raga, Dylan, Beatles etc. I know Ratledge, Allaen, Wyatt, Lord, Emerson, Auger and many others were definitly playing jazz as young men when the big changes of the 60s hit. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:48
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All the canterbury bands.. Soft machine, caravan, hatefield and the north.. maybe. ------------- 
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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:59
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IMO Focus could play jazz quite easily...
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 17:34
Andu, you could be me with that list! But I would also add some modern material, like Hectic Watermelon - not exactly classic, nor classic like, but they fit the question that this thread is about.------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 17:46
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Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few. ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 25 2007 at 05:59
I'm sure folks appreciate that Thijs Van Leer and Jan Akkerman actually went on to carve out career sas in jazz rock fusionists. The jazz rock fraternity nowadays rates Akkerman as one of the major European jazz guitarists.
http://www.janakkerman.com/ - http://www.janakkerman.com/
 Oddly Akkerman and Van Leer came back together in the 80's to record an album of ambient rock jazz (to be honest probably the least jazz recording in their combined histories) and called the album Focus! ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 25 2007 at 20:40
Hell, yes!!  .... Do listen to Akkerman's self titled effort..... very jazzy and nice....I've heard all the Instrospections  by Thys....... but they're mainly classical music!..... I mean, they're mostly classical tunes by classic musicians...... if not, the tracks are re-issues of Focus tracks arranged by orchestra, which sounds also like classical music.... but far from being jazz fusion IMO!!  ------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 26 2007 at 19:32
 My mistake for putting up the wrong Thijs Van Leer LP sleeve - picked the only one that came quickly to hand on the web. I have one album on vinyl with well known American jazz sessionists: Nice To Have Meet You (UK cat no CBS 86059), with Eric Gale, Steve Khan, Anthony Jackson, Harvey Mason, the Breckers, Tom Scott, etc. Definitely jazz fusion!------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: October 26 2007 at 23:28
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although Steely Dan are not in a prog-rock genre, they made one of the jazz-rock masterpieces with their an enticing album Aja . |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 27 2007 at 10:00
Nice to Have met you is also a good album, that I haven't listened as much as the Introspections. Yeah, quite jazzy. Reccomended.  ------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:18
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Rick Wright was a jazz aficionado in his youth, but not much seems to have found its way onto Floyd albums... Pow.R Toc.H springs to mind tho.
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