Mudvayne in the Arhives?
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Topic: Mudvayne in the Arhives?
Posted By: ~Rael~
Subject: Mudvayne in the Arhives?
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:19
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Okay, I am probably going to get untold amounts of crap for suggesting this, but I think Mudvayne deserves a spot in the tech metal/extreme metal category, or at least prog related. These guys are more than just another metal band in my opinoin, especially when it comes to beat and time changes in thier songs. Anyone else agree? ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:27
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This has been suggested before, I can see where you are coming from but my answer would be NO. They include some more complex time signatures but don't do anything far enough off the main-stream to be labled prog: no crazy soloes nothing overly complex, nothing special in their melody, no classical/jazz influence etc. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: souio
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:28
*gives you untold amounts of crap* Best to have it all at once rather than have it slowly build up  |
~Rael~ wrote:Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:28
| Just being outside of just the normal thing isn't prog. I have an issue when people want to call a band prog just because they're a little different then the popular rock/metal affiliates. |
Posted By: souio
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:30
As I have an issue with Bands who label themselves as prog when their songs are completely normal and standard 4/4 but 10 minutes long. (they exist) |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: December 12 2007 at 23:36
I apologize, its just that I've cracked up laughing at the last 30 suggestions for the archives. Maybe we can make a category for Mudvayne and Gino Vanelli while were at it? Come to think of it, Queen Latifah was pretty prog too!
/end rant
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 01:35
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This belongs in the Suggest New Bands/Artists section. -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 01:37
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Btw.....Good band IMO(especially their first two albums),but in no way prog. ------------- |
Posted By: Hallogallo
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 01:47
A good example of this would be Neu! Still, every other track they have that doesn't have a motorik beat is pretty prog if you ask me. I also disagree with the Mudvayne addition. They're just not up to prog standards. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Drekavac/?chartstyle=iTunesFIXED">  
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Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 02:08
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Wow. Next thing you know, they'll add Blind Guardian. At least I can take some solace in the fact that I don't think Mike likes Mudvayne and they will thus not be added. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 02:19
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Mudvayne had their moments specially on LD50, but no, they won't fit here.
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 02:33
This was a joke, right?
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Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 03:02
I think I'll edit my sig. Founder, president, and sole member of the "Dear God, why are BG listed in the Archives?" Club.  |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 03:40
The implication of your second paragraph here is disrespectful. Our collaborators work with impunity to add bands who they consider fit here, regardless of personal taste.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:29
Mudvayne is certainly complicated at times, math metal perhaps if only on their first CD LD50 (which is on my top 50 llst  . . im so emo) but clearly not prog.They really only break the mold in terms of time sigs and riffing patterns. Lyrically they fail to impress, they dont use any incredibly different song structure/composition from most rock bands and arent particularly achieved at their respective instruments (though i love their bassist and his interaction with the drummer- really cool rhythm section) poooossssibly prog related but even thats a real stretch. i think they're better off off the archives. EDIT - seriously though. . . Blind Guardian?  . sorry. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:39
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Blind Guardian are here, get over it people.
Let's just talk about Mudvayne shall we? ------------- |
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:41
Lapse of judgment. I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).  //EDIT: Back to Mudvayne, they're just not prog at all. I mean... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog Yeah guys, prog! ------------- Hail Eris! 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 06:57
Interesting, what's your opinion on Tool and Kansas being here? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 08:03
"blending of power metal and power metal" ... not sure what you mean by that.  What makes Nightfall a standout album is the intricate blend of Folk/Medieval music and Power Metal, the massive layering of tracks (vocals, guitars), the epic concept and the complex arrangements. Mirror Mirror is indeed not very complex in terms of structure ... but prog is not about trying to avoid 4/4 at all cost, and it's only one track of the album. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 09:00
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OK people, not a Blind Guardian discussion thread....
As for Mudvayne, LD 50 was a tight record, and I especially like the little fractal music interludes between some songs, and "Death Blooms" is one of my favorite nu-metal songs (placing right after most of the Deftones catalog).
LD 50 would have been a better record had they just run with that sound and experimented with it more... if they added more atmospherics or technical passages and dropped some of the angst.
instead, they took to writing radio singles and ended up sounding like a watered down Pantera (if that's even possible). YEAH SO f**kING DETERMINED YEAH YEAH
cmon. Give me more riffs like the opening of Death Blooms and then we'll talk.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 09:18
| Dude, Mudvayne are totally prog. They wear makeup and stuff like Peter Gabriel. That means they are prog. |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 16:15
Thanks for giving me reasons man, I understand.
I like all their albums, and even though LD50 seems to be the fan favorite, I like all ofthem, and think thier sound has grown. I really disagree with them having bad lyrics, with the exception of f**king Determined. And I think the song World so Cold is one of thier best, lol. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 18:50
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Dig makes me lol
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 21:57
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"Hi, we're Mudvanye" - Cedric Zavala ------------- 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 22:03
I thought it was Omar who said that  edit: does it matter? its still funny ------------- |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 22:10
-------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 22:59
What is so funny? I'm missing something here. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 13 2007 at 23:04
| I can't wait to hear Ryan Martinie somewhere else. He's maybe the best new bassist to emerge in the 21st century, but I can't really get behind Mudvayne. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 01:30
Agreed.Not only Martinie but Mudvayne's rhythm section on the whole is superb. ------------- |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 16:55
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 23:48
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Well, actually they are Math-rock, but with all these pompous prog snobs cutting the topic starter down, I suppose I will also be getting snickered at for even concurring with the guy a little. I do consider them prog., Like I said, "Math Rock", but I don't think Prog Archives will add them because too many people think Mudvayne is just "Nu-Metal" garbage, which they are not.
I would also like to add, however, that I agree with what was said earlier; I think it can get a bit absurd when people start suggesting clearly generic and sound-alike bands to be included as "prog". I just happen to agree with the Mudvayne suggestion, oddly enough. Someone else recently suggested 30 Seconds to Mars (or maybe it was the same person?) and all I can say to a suggesion like that is . . . WHAT? But at least with Mudvayne there is merrit and reason behind the man's suggestion. I even think the band themselves have stated that they are math rock? I could be wrong, though . . .
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 03:01
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L.D. 50 had some prog moments. Some adventure, some breaking the mold, and some very good bass-work. These elements, however, were quite watered-down on the next album and same thing (even more so) for the album after that. If Mudvayne gets in than so should Slipknot because their latest one had a bunch of weird, psuedo proggy stuff in it too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: January 24 2008 at 11:28
Thirded. I have been all about Martinie since i discovered mudvayne in like 7th grade. I dont know if anyone has seen them live but Martini and the drummer (name? spud kudd spag? ) made that show worth going to. im trying to find a decent video of him on you tube ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 20:00
I think you can make a legitimate discussion of what they are, nu metal comments aside. From what I've heard, I wouldn't call them prog or even prog-related: they have occasional odd time signatures, but that aside, you're looking at fairly typical structures and sounds. If you have more evidence for them, I'm sure people wouldn't be too opposed to considering them for prog-related, but you'll need to make a case for them. I can't help or hinder much as my experience with them is somewhat limited. That, and nobody takes threads about the Arhives seriously.  ------------- Hail Eris!
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Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:25
I myself actually like LD 50, it certainly is much more interesting than your typical metal fare, and I'm not one to limit myself to one genre. However, I don't really consider them "prog" in the sense of this site. They added some interesting elements to their music, mainly in LD 50, the bass work was superb and very tight. The lyrics were... well, in my opinion, laughable, taken out of context, but if you don't listen to them very carefully, they work well in the musc. ------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:35
Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Archives? I like that idea......in an alternate universe of an alternate universe. ------------- 
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