Collaborators Top Albums of 2007 - Results
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Topic: Collaborators Top Albums of 2007 - Results
Posted By: Easy Livin
Subject: Collaborators Top Albums of 2007 - Results
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:40
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Here's the results you've all been waiting for. Our Prog Reviewers, Collaborators, Special Collaborators, and Admins have voted, and the collation of the results undertaken.
The album in first place won by a substantial distance, thereafter things were much tighter.
1. Porcupine Tree - Fear of a blank Planet 2. = Robert Wyatt - Comicopera 2. = Grayceon- Grayceon 4. Anekdoten - a Time of Day 5. Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura 6. Battles - Mirrored 7. Rush - Snakes & Arrows 8. Pax Cecilia - "Blessed are the Bonds" 9=. Ulver - Shadows of the Sun 9=. Riverside - Rapid eye movement 9=. Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon 12=. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - In Glorious Times 12=. Fish - Thirteenth Star 12=. Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos 15. Van der Graaf Generator - Real Time 16=. Oceansize - Frames 16=. The Dear Hunter - Act II: The Meaning of, And All Things Regardlng Ms. Leading 18=. New Trolls - Concerto Grosso the Seven Seasons 18=. The Morningside - The Wind, The Trees and The Shadows of the Past 20=. Sieges Even - Paramount 20=. Shining - Grindstone 20=. Senogul - Senogul 20=. Reasoning - Awakening 20=. Flower Kings - The Sum Of No Evil 20=. Between the Buried and Me - Colors 20=. Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan About 100 albums were nominated in total. I can publish the full list if there an interest in it.
Let the comments commence!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:47
 Unexpected results.... Full list, please? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:49
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Apart from one GLARING omission, I must say that's a pretty solid list.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:50
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It's nice to see Comicopera in number two. I had forgotten that live albums were allowed. Had hoped that more of these albums would fare better: Robert Wyatt - Comicopera Rational Diet - Rational Diet Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses - Manfauna Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan Soft Mountain - Soft Mountain Salle Gaveau - Alloy Far Corner - Endangered Phlox -Rebimine + Voltimine Lobster Newberg - Vernal Equinox Calle Debauche - Potemkin Carnival Kevin Ayers - The Unfairground Faust & Nurse with Wound - Disconnected ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:51
Don't ya mean 2007, Bob?  = oops, yes Maybe a more "beautiful" presentation design too?  = you can have it now warts and all, or in 6 months looking lovely! ------------- 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:53
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Only two albums which were also in my top 5, considerably low on the chart. Not a surprise that PT won it by miles at all, but strange how others turned up. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:55
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I really thought that John Zorn's "Six Litanies for Heliogabalus" would fare better.
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Posted By: Ross Emerson
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:56
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Was Mar de Robles' "Indigena" nominated by any chance? I'm very sad it didn't make the top 20; for my money, nothing released in 07 came close ('cept for maybe Doomsday Afternoon.) Regardless, it appears theres still a few albums from last year I better check out. Thanks for the list Ross |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:58
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OK, here's the rest, batched according to equal position:
29= Marillion - Somewhere Else
Salle Gaveau - Alloy Rational Diet - Rational Diet Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses - "Manfauna" 33= Satellite - Into the Night Do Make Say Think - You, You're A History In Rust Conqueror - 74 Giorni Blotted Science - Machinations of Dementia 37 Soft Mountain - Soft Mountain 38= Tony Levin - Stick Man Therion - Gothic Kabbalah Symphony X - Paradise Lost Shels- The sea of Dying dhow Outer Limits - Stromatolite Neverness - Cuentos De Otros Mundos Posibles Hypnos 69 - Ecelectic Measure Fromuz - Audio Diplomacy Dirge- Wings of Lead over Dormant Seas Cathedral - The Bridge Aviva - Rokus Tonalis Amarok - Sol de Medianoche 50= Watch - Primitive Sleeping People - Growing' PFM: "35... E Un Minuto" Notabene - Sei Lacrima D'Ambra Little Atlas - Hollow Jonas Hellberg - Art Metal Gourishankar - 2nd Hands Deadsoul Tribe - A Lullaby for the Devil David Gilmour - Remember that Night Azureth - The Promethean Syndrome AmAndA - La Maison De Flore Klaus Schulze - Kontinuum 61= SBB - The Rock R-U Kaiser - Ocelos Porcupine Tree - Nil recurring Pineapple Thief - What We Have Sown Mar de Robles - Indigena La Torre dell'Alchimista - Neo Kevin Ayers - Unfairground Jordan Rudess -The Road Home John Zorn - Six Litanies For Heliogabulus Hidria Spacefolk - Symmetria Glass Hammer - Culture of Ascent Flor De Loto - Madre Tierra Cosmic Nomads - Vultress Blackmore's Night - Paris Moon Blackfield - "II" Far Corner - Endangered 78= Radiohead - In Rainbows Planet X - Quantum Phlox - Rebimine + Voltimine Medina Azahara-Se Abre La Puerta Massacre - Lonely Heart IZZ-Live at Nearfest Galahad - Empires Never Last Devin Townsend- Ziltoid the Omniscient Big Big Train - The Difference Machine Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic Part 1 88= Explosions In The Sky- All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone Threshold - Dead Reckoning Tartar Lamb - 60 Metonymies Space Ritual- Otherworld Moonsorrow - Havitetty Maserati - Inventions for the New Season Lazuli - En Avant Grails - Burning Off Impurities Franco Battiato - Il Vuoto Epica- The Divine Conspiracy Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works Amaran's Plight - Voice in the Light |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:59
How much better would you have liked Comicopera to fare (?), it's on second place!  Regarding some other albums, including Lobster Newberg's, you have to recognize it was a poll of favorite albums even amongs us Reviewers and Collaborators. -------------
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Logan wrote:Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:04
Rico, Kontinuum....! 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:06
We need new collabs.  No seriously, not a bad list at all. Glad to see PT, Wyatt, Battles, Oceansize, Sieges Even all up there, they really deserve it! Really shocked that Rush was so high, I thought that most people felt it to be a disappointment. ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:06
Nah, place 50 is excellent!  Too bad though Aeternus isn't a collaborator, he would have made a third good vote for it. -------------
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Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:07
first off, ire works made top 100 olololol
2nd off i thought phideaux's album'd fare better (top 5 or something)
glad to see ulver and sgm up there
and bob, you didn't even have to post #1, we all knew
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:10
hahahh. .would have been higher if I voted... but I didn't ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:10
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Really surprised Into the Night isn't higher up. I'm surprised Comicopera is so high too. It seems a top 10 or so, but it's a bit drab and downbeat, except for parts. I'm also surprised at the love for Sieges Even. I don't have Paramount, but they don't seem to garner much praise on the forum. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:13
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Steven and the boys should be proud...... 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:14
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The list just shows what an amazing year 2007 was for prog. It's interesting to compare this list to the list of the top of 2007 according to Prog Archives reviews. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:17
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I figured DT was that high because of Micky and Ghost Rider's secret ballot votes. Appears that Micky didn't get his vote in for them however.
I have only heard a small percentage of the albums that made the top 100. It will be interesting to see how this list compares with Logan's non-collab calculation. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:31
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Surprises for me:
Systematic Chaos was much higher than I expected.
Ziltoid the Omniscient was much lower than I expected.
Where's Gazpacho with their Night album? Nowhere in the top 100!?!?!?!?
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:35
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this list was extremely predictable also for the most part not extremely coinciding with my tastes -------------  |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:41
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:43
| Great list. I honestly didn't expect Grayceon to do 'that' good, but I guess they deserved it. I like how Sieges Even got up there since there aren't many fans around here, but I did think Paramount was a little weak. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:53
Of course it's just a favourite albums list (something I've mentioned in various threads) and not a "best" list, but I hoped that more of my favourites would fare well (Comicopera was the only one of my list that did well). I've actually mentioned other ways to choose an albums list in the future that employs various criteria -- vote on artistic merits/ technical merits/ progressiveness -- and perhaps if the winning bands/ labels would agree, we could stream the top five albums at the site -- or more realistically just use samples as a short-list for collabs as getting such agreement would be difficult -- and then hold a further vote on those once every voter has listened to the top five. Or perhaps we could only mention one album per category and must have heard x number of albums to be eligible to vote. A favourite album of 2007 from each category that has candidates would be a neat idea to do, as well as a favourite live album etc. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 15:57
Here's the non-collab list: Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet (29) Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - In Glorious Times (17) Radiohead - In Rainbows (15) Between the Buried and Me - Colors (14) Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura (12) Rush - Snakes and Arrows (10) The Flower Kings - The Sum of No Evil (10)
Blackfield - Blackfield II (10)
Rational Diet - Rational Diet (10) Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon (9) Robert Wyatt - Comicopera (9) Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic: Part One (9)
The Dear Hunter - Act II: The Meaning Of, & All Things Regarding Ms. Leading (8) Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos (8) Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan (7) Anekdoten - A Time of Day (7) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works (7) The Pax Cecilia - Blessed are the Bonds (7) Gazpacho - Night (6) Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement (6) John Zorn - Six Litanies for Heliogabalus (6) Black Bonzo - Sound of the Apocalypse (6) Coheed and Cambria - Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume Two: No World for Tomorrow (5)
Explosions in the Sky - All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone (5) Lazuli - En Avant Doute... (5) Devin Townsend - Ziltoid the Omniscient (5) Far Corner - Endangered (4) Tony Levin - Stick Man (4) Satellite - Into The Night (4) Thork - Nula Jedan (4) Marillion - Somewhere Else (4) AmAndA - Le Maison de Flore (3) Baroness - Red Album (3) Glass Hammer - Culture of Ascent (3) New Trolls - Concerto Grosso: The Seven Seasons (3) Moonsorrow - Viides luku - H�vitetty (3) Battles - Mirrored (3) Oceansize - Frames (3) Shining - Grindstone (2) Reasoning, the - Awakening (2) The Watch - Primitive (2) Quidam - Alone Together (2) Pineapple Thief - What We Have Sown (2) Ulver - Shadows of the Sun (2) Nemo - Si Partie II - L'Homme Ideal (1) Novembre - The Blue (1) Outer Limits - Stromatolite (1) Planet X - Quantum (1) Redemption - The Origins of Ruin (1) Therion - Gothic Kabbalah (1) Grayceon - s/t (1) I'll collate the results with the collab list later. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 16:03
*spills Arizona Green Tea with Ginsing and Peach Juice in lap* didn't see that coming from PT FanArchives ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 16:24
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Thats a nice list, I wasnt expecting Grayceon so high but its well deserved.
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Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 16:35
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No Nemo? :/ I thought their album far surpassed the mediocre (at best) (in my opinion) albums put out by Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Rush, Anekdoten, Phideaux, Flower Kings, Riverside and The New Trolls I personally think the new Rush album should be disqualified from this list for having no prog... (Rush being my favorite band, by the way). |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 16:53
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^ give that man a cigar.... off with Rush's head... a non prog or borderline at best album topping a collaborator list of great prog albums from the year tisk tisk... *grabs a paperbag and places over head* can we make this the PR album list of 2007. Curious as to how many SC's and above (Tony excluded of course hahah) put Rush on their lists. Time to do a bit of research. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:02
| Glad to see The Dear Hunter do so well. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:07
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would have if I had voted.. would have been #2 on my list
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:10
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I think the Satellite album came too late in the year Stoney. Gazpacho's "Night" was given honourable mentions, but did not actually feature in any of the collaborators' top 5s.
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Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:21
Iiiiii KNOW! What do you mean
 mate?? That album is brilliant! Certianly a lot harder than their other stuff, and that Steven sure is EMO some times, but the musician ship is fanTAStic!! (I said that like David Tenant Dr Who) And that track Anethnitize....brilliance."We're back in the mall. Shufflring through the stores....like...ZOMBIES."  ------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:25
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Bah. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Zwerg Bart
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:25
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It's good to see Ulver and SGM getting up there... I expected Devin Townsend to do a little better.
I was disappointed with "Fear of a Blank Planet" (like many others), although it's certainly no surprise that it is number 1... ------------- "Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali |
Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:36
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I am a huge Porcupine Tree fan (seen them 3 times and own all there albums). Wilson needs to get away from the cheesy lyrics about kids and Xbox? His older stuff even on Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun has excellent lyrics. Now, like Nine Inch Nails, he is going after "society". I cant listen to the first song on the album or the last, its just too cheesy. Way Out Here and My Ashes are good songs, but its definately not the best album of 2007. In Rainbows by Radiohead is a much better album! Great lyrics, great structure, great mood etc. I will continue to by PT stuff, but I hope he gets his act together. ------------- "Science is all metaphor"-Timothy Leary [IMG]http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.jones10/amonpic.jpg">[IMG]http://imagegen.last.fm/red/artists/Yeti316.gif"> |
Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:40
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Also, Tony Levin's solo album as well as Oceansize's new album are much better than FOABP (IMP!)
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:46
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Snakes & Arrows wasn't very good and neither was Fear Of A Blank Planet, if CDs like these can be so highly regarded 2007 must have really sucked. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 18:35
It wasn't a favourite year of mine, either. Methinks 2008 will blow it away
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 18:58
I recall that being said about 2007 with respect to 2006.
Anyway, as for the list...surprised about Grayceon...I really had no idea that was so well liked (being few people talk about them in the threads about them). Also, good to see Wyatt up there...certainly deserves it.
Guess I should buy Neal's new album afterall.
Sad to see PT at the top again. Deadwing I could see (not exactly sure what else came out that year anyway) but FOABP is certainly not as good/progressive as the rest of their discog or many of the other releases this year (IMHO of course). And yes...I am a fan of the band.
Maybe these collabs with get it right one day...
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 18:59
I'm happy with the list as it is. The band's that I was always rooting for since day 1 (Battles, Grayceon, The Pax Cecilia) got in the top 10.  ------------- 
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:00
If that came from anyone else, then=
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:18
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Boo to PT winning, as expected. Yey to the album of the millenium coming second! I did vote for The Pax Cecilia and possibly Grayceon, as well as Battles. Having now heard the new Ahleuchatistas (and I've still yet to hear the new Upsilon Acrux), however, that will go into my top 5, along with Rational Diet. With further listens of Salle Gaveau, that album may creep up too, However, with the likes of Wyatt's Comicopera and Shining's Grindstone, plus the best live album of the millenium, there are few places left. Battles' Mirrored was also excellent. P.A. is going mainstream though, it seems. -------------   
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:31
 ExemptionsAt least it seems you and Cham did a good job of spreading the word of Grayceon.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:55
2005 is a great year by my reckoning... Porcupine Tree's Deadwing only rates at 20 on the studio albums all genres for 2005 Top 100 list, and only 30 if you don't specify studio albums, but I was already a user of this site when it was at the top I think. I enjoyed Deadwing... I bought it soon after it came out due to the samples at the band's site. Some of my favourites from 2005 are Koenjihyakkei's Angherr Shisspa, Guapo's Black Oni, Bondage Fruit's BF VI, Nil's Nil Novo Sub Sole, VdGG's Present, Miriodor's Parade, Djam Karat's Recollection Harvest, Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses' Perils, Indukti S.U.S.A.R. etc. Anyway, it would be interesting to know if the Collaborators' album of 2005 was redone today just how well it would rank (people have heard a lot more of 2005 by now). I expect that a couple years done the road, PT's FoaBP won't be thought of as the prog album of 2007. Much as I liked Deadwing, I didn't think it that prog. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:03
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I didn't know know Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni or S.U.S.A.R. back in 2005 and I think I voted for Deadwing, as No. 1, if not Wobbler's Hinterland. If I'd know about Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni and S.U.S.A.R., I'd have put them in the top 5, as all three of those albums are my favourite albums of all times. I have Perils on CD and have yet to hear it, strangely, I must correct that issue sometime soon. I'll see if I can dig out my 2005 list... actually, I wasn't a Collab. then, so I'm not sure what I voted it in, but I remember doing so. I did vote for 2006 Collab. album though, I believe. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:14
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hmmmm the question arises to my mind... since this is PA's and no constitution.... me thinks we need another vote.... we obviously didn't get it right the first time.. I can imagine somewhere someone will be laughing looking that on this site... of all sites.. 2 of the top 7 albums are non prog.. or borderline prog. This WAS a good year for prog... for example.. stuff like the Battles was simply heads and shoulders above either album from Rush and PT in prog terms... and some point as colloborators... don't you think you can set aside blatent votes on what you like and what you don't for recognizing when prog albums and artists do something different.. unique.. or really make a mark upon the prog scene. Thinking out loud.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:15
I dont think you were a collab in 2005 so you couldnt have voted for Deadwing. Anyway, reffering to a previous post of yours, I dont think you voted for Battles- Mirrored either, though you did mention it. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:22
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As I don't have a list of 2005 albums available, I will have to make do with my top 3: 1. Koenjihyakkei - Angherr Shisspa 2. Guapo - Black Oni 3. Indukti - S.U.S.A.R. 4. Van der Graaf Generator - Present I cannot think of a no. 5 yet. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:23
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the indie invasion of Prog is in full swing, and it's gonna be ugly for awhile not thrilled with this list at all |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:25
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Andy, I did vote for Battles, my list was as follows: 1. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera 2. Van der Graaf Generator - Real Time 3. Shining - Grindstone 4. Battles - Mirrored 5. Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan Honorary mentions: Soft Mountain - Soft Mountain (there's just no room...) The Pax Cecilia - Blessed Are the Bonds (heard it last night and it's excellent) Grayceon - Grayceon Anekdoten - A Time of Day (not as good as their previous efforts though) Salle Gaveau - Alloy Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement (an amazing live band) Non-prog: Invert - The Strange Parade As of now, I'd also add the following to honorary mentions: Rational Diet - Rational Diet Ahleuchatistas - Even in the Midst... Plus not-yet-added release: Ultralyd - Conditions for a Piece of Music Micky, I am not sure which other album you're referring to in regards to not being prog, but I can tell you that Comicopera, although containing much prog elements, also has some prog on it too. It's a typically brilliant Wyatt album. -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:33
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Interesting results,it's nice to see The Pax Cecilia and Grayceon place so high.
My first choice,Between the Buried and Me's album "Colors" didn't even make it onto the list. -------------  |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:33
Apart from the PT, Radiohead and Rush (although I've not heard any of their 2007 albums), I'm not too disappointed with the list, except I'd like to see some of those avant-prog bands higher up the list. Infact, I am especially pleased that Comicopera was joint-second.  -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:34
I'll give the PT album the benefit of the doubt.. and chalk it up to being the most uninspiring and flaccid prog album of the year. but I think the Rush album is even more of a stretch.. it is a better album.. but even as open minded as I am to what prog is and is not.. and you all know just how open minded I am. That album is a stretch to be considered a prog album.. much less in the top 10 of the year hahhaha anyhow.. I posted something in the collab area.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:36
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I meant to say (re: Comicopera): although containing much pop elements...
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:38
Damn...good year indeed. Though I'm sure I didn't hear many of them in 05 (with the exception of Parade).
The ones in bold are the ones I have and those that I think are better than Deadwing...which I like alot. I also have Indukti's album which I remember as pretty good but I think I only listened to it a couple of times.
I'd like to see that last paragraph implimented. Especially now with as many collabs as this site has I think an alternate list is a good idea and should get a more accurate account (though that was my favorite collab list). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: EnglishAssassin
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:56
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For what little my opinion's worth, I think it's an interesting list. I'm already enjoying finding samples of all the many bands I hadn't even previously heard of. In reference to the above suggestion of redoing previous years' lists with the benefit of hindsight; surely that rather misses the point. Annual best-of lists are meant to be things of their time, recording opinions as they were then, not something subjected to constant revisionism as tastes change. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:13
hmmmm.. good post... but what hindsight are you referring too... every swinging dick on this forum knew who was going to win I mentioned in a post I just made in the collab area that I'd like to see this revoted upon.. and here is why. Ask yourself... why do the collabs have a seperate list from the gen pop here... any person can vote for albums based on whether we like it or not.. you don't have to be a collab to do that.. however... we as collabs are held to a different standard.. the price of those fancy tags and nice stars they give us along with the parking spaces and album allowances. The site expects the collabs to think a bit deeper than just .. I liked it.. regardless if this album was a retread of some album done better years ago.. yet other albums that are fresh and progressive are not looked upon with some added weight. I think that should be stressed.. and the list revoted upon... drum up some interest.. and get people off their asses . .and listening to something different. Isn't that why you are are here. I'm sure it isn't for my stand-up routines hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:35
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This has me scratching my head. I never saw anything about nominations or a vote - must have blinked. I would have had Gazpacho's 'Night' as my album of 2007, and would have pushed Between the Buried and Me, Oceansize and Battles. Hmmm. I've been checking the site on a daily basis - wonder how I missed this one? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:37
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^ another reason for a re-vote hahahhaha and Gazpacho would have been in my 5 as well ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:44
If your talking about voting for something as the best of the year just because it's different, then I think that's an awful idea, unless it's done in tandem with voting for one's favorites. That sort of thing would make us hipsters like Pitchforkmedia, who go with trends simply because it's the new thing. Maybe you don't like FOABP, but obviously a lot of people do. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:51
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You know everyone here is upset about their favorite bands not being on the list or bands being higher than they'd like. Well hopefully you all are aware/will now become aware of a larger scale list being compiled about favorite albums (except this is every year). That's right, everyone is welcome to submit a list of their favorite albums in the Ultimate PA Albums List. The due date is literally right around the corner, so get them in soon (I won't be a stickler if it's a few days late.) So yes, please vote. Pretty please. Here is a link: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44257&PN=1 Sorry to have intruded ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:03
| I'm surprised Ziltoid was as low as it was, and I'm STUNNED that it was tied with In Rainbows. FOABP was expected, but I'm a little shocked Rush made it in the top ten. Overall, and interesting list, and one I mostly agree with. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:06
I thought I explained it well.. in private.. in the collab area.. I think there can be a balance of liking something and recognizing new trends and progression within prog. and my true motives for this were again.. explained the collab area.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:12
I think the idea of rating an album in degrees of progitude  would be a good idea, but I think more people are inclined to do so than others. I, for one, don't actively seek out obscure music. I'm still getting into older bands, and it's only by chance in a lot of ways that I listened to many albums in 2007. All collabs are able to voice their opinions on albums they liked, fewer are able to give a solid opinion on the most progressive albums of the year.By the way, I say yer post in the collabs zone, but only after posting here. I'm continuing here because I started here and I prefer transparency. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:40
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hahah.. fair enough.. and I'll be transparent... my main point or reason to want a re-vote is because this forum has been stale, uninspiring and discussions few and far between recently. The reason we had a forum stimulator thought up. I could care less if people think FoaBP is THE prog album of 2007 or not.. but a lot of people don't think so. There is a discussion there waiting to happen.. something to build interest on. So rather than have this thread sink and die in a few days, we can do something with it.. and yes.. maybe put out a better 2007 list IMO and have fun with it at the same time. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Oceansizzle
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:46
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glad Oceansize was at least 16, but i think it should have been in top 5 or 10 along with Radiohead. I just see alot of prog big names with mediocre albums... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:48
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Well, you know I'm not very satisfied with the placement of albums I voted for on this list. I voted for FOABP as Number 1, but I'd still give it only about 3.5 stars. Basically, there were no really good mainstream prog albums this year, IMO. Everything on my list is about 3.5 stars. And I understand your frustration, but this poll is very genuine, as long as all who voted were honest. The numbers don't lie.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:56
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of course they don't lie.... but remember what the real purpose of what our work here is for.. not to put out lists of favorite albums... but to stimulate and educate ourselves.. and the gen pop here. No one doubts that you didn't honestly think that PT album was the best of the year... but at the same time... what is the PURPOSE of the list... what can the list do.. .if some cat sees Gazpaucho up there high on the list.. and they haven't heard it.. .they might actually check it out. Instead.. we get the same big name albums from the same big groups that ..well... they are predictable.. and the list really does little. Anyhow... just tossing out thoughts.. of course it won't happen because little happens here. That is part of the problem now isn't it hahhahha.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 22:56
You may be new, but you have greater insight than most here ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 23:01
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I'm all for making another list, mickster, but I don't think it should be a re-write of this one, because this has value. I think the better option than individual (collab or otherwise) lists compiled is to just get together, discuss the year, and make a top 10 of progressive music. If done the way this list was done, there will be much confusion and overlap once you get to groups that are established (like PT), but who obviously aren't doing the same thing over again (FOABP was quite a departure, IMO).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 23:03
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good idea... quoting your post over in the collab area.. see if anyone wants to play.... *hijacking over... you all can go back to shooting holes in the list and wondering just what the hell people were thinking putting a non prog album by Rush on the list hahhaha* ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 23:56
Micky, I love you.
I need to get off my ass and write some reviews so I can see the collab zone. You guys know you want another RIO freak. ;-) ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 01:04
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I would've liked to do this comparison in a nice graph, but I'm tired,
and show the ranking of each band's album in another way would look
less sloppy (for instance, just list an album once then put the rank
from both lists beside it, but since there are many albums ranked the
same, I did it this way).
1. COLLABS: PT - Fear of a Blank Planet 1. MEMBERS: PT - Fear of a Blank Planet 2. COLLABS: Robert Wyatt - Comicopera, Grayceon - Grayceon 2. MEMBERS: Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - In Glorious Times 3. COLLABS: Anekdoten - a Time of Day 3. MEMBERS: Radiohead - In Rainbows 4. COLLABS: Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura 4. MEMBERS: Between the Buried and Me - Colors 5. COLLABS: Battles - Mirrored 5. MEMBERS: Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura 6. COLLABS: Rush - Snakes & Arrows 6. MEMBERS: Rush - Snakes and Arrows, The Flower Kings - The Sum of No Evil, Blackfield - Blackfield II, Rational Diet - Rational Diet 7. COLLABS: Pax Cecilia - Blessed are the Bonds 7. MEMBERS: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon, Robert Wyatt - Comicopera, Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic: Part One 8. COLLABS: Ulver - Shadows of the Sun, Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement, Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon 8. MEMBERS: The Dear Hunter - Act II: The Meaning Of..., Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos 9. COLLABS: Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - In Glorious Times, Fish - Thirteenth Star, Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos 9. MEMBERS: Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan, Anekdoten - A Time of Day, The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works, The Pax Cecilia - Blessed are the Bonds 10. COLLABS: Van der Graaf Generator - Real Time 10. MEMBERS: Gazpacho - Night, Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement, John Zorn - Six Litanies for Heliogabalus, Black Bonzo - Sound of the Apocalypse 11. COLLABS: Oceansize - Frames, The Dear Hunter - Act II: The Meaning of... 11. MEMBERS: Coheed and Cambria - Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume Two: No World for Tomorrow, Explosions in the Sky - All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone, Lazuli - En Avant Doute..., Devin Townsend - Ziltoid the Omniscient 12. COLLABS: New Trolls - Concerto Grosso the Seven Seasons, The Morningside - The Wind... 12. MEMBERS: Far Corner - Endangered, Tony Levin - Stick Man, Satellite - Into The Night, Thork - Nula Jedan, Marillion - Somewhere Else 13. COLLABS: Sieges Even - Paramount, Shining - Grindstone, Senogul - Senogul, Reasoning - Awakening, Flower Kings - The Sum Of No Evil, Between the Buried and Me - Colors, Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan 13. MEMBERS: AmAndA - Le Maison de Flore, Baroness - Red Album, Glass Hammer - Culture of Ascent, New Trolls - Concerto Grosso: The Seven Seasons, Moonsorrow - Viides luku - H�vitetty, Battles - Mirrored, Oceansize - Frames 14: COLLABS: Marillion - Somewhere Else, Salle Gaveau - Alloy, Rational Diet - Rational Diet, Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses - "Manfauna," 14: 14. MEMBERS: Shining - Grindstone, Reasoning, the - Awakening, The Watch - Primitive, Quidam - Alone Together, Pineapple Thief - What We Have Sown, Ulver - Shadows of the Sun 15: COLLABS: Satellite - Into the Night, Do Make Say Think - You, You're A History In Rust,Conqueror - 74 Giorni, Blotted Science - Machinations of Dementia 15: MEMBERS: Nemo - Si Partie II - L'Homme Ideal, Novembre - The Blue, Outer Limits - Stromatolite, Planet X - Quantum, Redemption - The Origins of Ruin, Therion - Gothic Kabbalah, Grayceon - s/t Anyway, not that different on the whole... Didn't list all of the lower-ranked collab albums. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 05:57
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I can't believe you're all so disappointed to see PT at the top, baffled as to how they won. Isn't it only natural that the most 'popular' band of the time would get the first price? It's not entirely a question of quality, but also quantity. Most people on this website have heard Fear of a Blank Planet, whereas I'm sure not many managed to give Do Make Say Think a listen (not that it would've won anyhow). You can't think of these results as the be and end all of progressive rock in 2007, they're only personal opinions based on limited knowledge. All collabs can't have heard all prog albums recorded in 2007, I myself heard only ~ 10 or so. I'm not sure whether I made any sense here, but no matter. I'm happy. ------------- 
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Posted By: EnglishAssassin
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 07:12
| My point was that the value of a annual best-of list lies in it being an historical curio, reflecting opinions at the time. Judging albums against others released in the same year is necessarily a exercise rooted in the context of its time. If you want to provoke debate, why not dig out some of the previous years' lists and invite people to contribute their opinions with the benefit of hindsight; that's where the potential for an interesting discussion lies. Changing the lists after they've been voted for to create one of what you think people should have liked best just seems rather futile and inward-looking; you might as well start asking for votes for the top albums of every year since 1967. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 07:51
Agree 100%. I am one of the few Collabs who didn't vote, as I usually don't - the main reason is that I usually have heard only a portion of the albums in question, and it doesn't seem fair to vote based only on a small sample of the year's output. That said, I find such discussions far from productive and/or stimulating. Of course, this is ONLY my personal opinion, with no disrespect implied towards those people who enjoy discussing lists and such. However, what I really think is that such discussions really go nowhere, and don't create any good opportunities for constructive debate. Everyone here has their own tastes, therefore all we can offer is just a reflection of those tastes, which has no actual objective value. Same goes for the 'level of progitude' someone mentioned in an earlier post. By all means, let's continue to draw up 'best of' lists, because it is an exercise many people enjoy - but we shouldn't expect it to have any potential for interesting discussion, unless by it we mean something along the lines of, "oh, I can't believe album X is #1 - album Y is 1,000 times proggier/more innovative/more interesting/musically better!". Just my own 2 eurocents, of course... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 08:21
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obviously most agree with you Raff... my suggestion in the collab area.. though I'm not surprised. Has gone nowhere. I guess most have no desire to debate and discuss such things.. oh well hahhaha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 10:53
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Jimbo, I've not heard Fear of a Blank Planet.
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 11:11
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D'oh! I didn't vote! Zorn, where oh where is Zorn?! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 11:37
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I didn't know we could vote either.Never saw or heard anything suggesting we could. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 11:46
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44375 - Collabs Top 5 Prog Albums 2007
This is the thread that Tony R opened in the Collab section, open for all collabs and reviewers.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 11:47
The thread is still there guys in the collaborators area.
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 11:54
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wow I was totally remiss in my voting for this. Sorry about that, and I'll definitely start writing more reveiws. Anyway, I'd go for: The Pax Cecilia - Blessed are the Bonds Grayceon Porcupine Tree - Nil Recurring (FOABP wasn't very good at all IMO) Oceansize - Frames as a top 4 off the top of my head. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 12:14
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Not a bad list for some. Of course, I don't like Modern Rock so Rush and PT's presence in the top ten doesn't do much for me - I had hoped that SGM's album would make the top ten (twelve just isn't enough acclaim!) because it's far more *special* than a lot of "just another polished rock CD" releases by the huge name bands. Seriously, it's wonderful! I wasn't a fan of the first two but "In Glorious Times" is really mature, dark and deep. ;P (and it looks like I was right about not needing to vote for Comicopera!) Either way, the tables have turned on the people who voted in Kayo Dot's album as number one, last year, haven't they. ;) ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 12:24
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The problem that many collabs didn't voted was that the voting thread was placed in the wrong collab forum. Plus it wasn't even a sticky when it first appeared! -------------
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 13:45
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Thanks Assaf and Bob i'll know for next time. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 13:48
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Perhaps you could update the list with your choices (if you see how it was calculated).
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 14:25
No no no, you should have! It's only joint second, so it would have been nice to see it in second outright. -------------
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 16:00
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Predictable list with no surprises except maybe Battles. Would have loved to have seen some more interesting bands at the top e.g. Zorn, Rosetta, Wolves In The Throne Room, Behold The Arctopus. Guess this is wishful thinking though. Nice to see Sleepytime Gorilla Museum high though. -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 17:38
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this list of Top 100 album from Collabs is a great surprise for me. Butconfirm that Prog is in life ando not dead! ------------- 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 20:13
Did you expet Grayceon and Robert Wyatt so high? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:37
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Nice list, love to see Comicopera and A Time of Day in the Top 5, sadly my number 1 which was Outer Limits - Stromatolite didn`t receive other votes, neither did Phlox`s album, and Mar de Robles was so low after all, i was one of the people who gave an honourable mention to Gazpacho`s album, it is really a pity to see it did not receive a single vote!!
FOABP is a very good album, but i would have liked to see another one as the winner. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:41
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I can't understand why you guys want a re-vote.Because you don't like the bands that placed so high? And for all the Collabs who didn't vote,the thread was there for a long time. ------------- |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:49
Actually yes, it was there for a couple of months at least, if only Cesar Inca would have voted, Stromatolite would have ranked higher  ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 01:45
| I didn't know I could access the Collabs forum! *embarrassment* |
Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 06:28
I have not heard either and am not particularly interested in listening to them. More into the modern experimental stuff. Why, were they unexpected? IF so then good. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 10:31
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It amuses me how some people take these things so personally. It's just a snapshot of opinion. Many of us haven't even heard much of the stuff that ranked high. Anyway, the best time to evaluate a year in music isn't right after it's concluded. It's a fun little exercise though and an opportunity for discovery as well...
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 11:38
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There are a few albums that I think would have done much better, had more people heard them. So, I highly recommend checking out these titles. Neverness - Cuentos de Otros Mundos Posibles Tony Levin - Stick Man Cathedral - The Bridge Lobster Newberg - Vernal Eqinox Cosmic Nomads - Vultress ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 11:45
Some of Comicopera is modern experimental (especially the Eno-isms), but not all of it. It's a wonderful album indeed. -------------
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