Opeth, The Mars Volta
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Opeth, The Mars Volta
Posted By: Bryan
Subject: Opeth, The Mars Volta
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 21:25
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These are two newer prog bands who I think should be on here. Opeth is a great prog metal band, while The Mars Volta are a prog band with elements of psychadelia, punk and even free jazz at times. |
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: April 03 2004 at 00:10
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Opeth would be fine, but I don't care for The Mars Volta. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 03 2004 at 00:27
| I said it over AIM, I'll say it again here. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't prog!!! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 13:35
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I don't know Opeth and I'm sort of "in dubio" about Mars Volta... Prog or not? I think I'd say they're prog, but which sub-genre? Psychedelic/space progressive rock? Prog metal? I also hear some jazz fusion in their music... that would qualify them as space fusion (= Canterbury scene?) |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 13:59
I felt the Mars Volta disc had a lot of Rush and King Crimson in the music. There are prog elements, just as Radiohead or Elbow. Should it be included? Max or Maani, yer judgment please. 
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 17:53
I don't think, that Opeth is a 'newer' Prog band...they made 7 albums now and the last one 'damnation' is prog because Mikael Akerfeldt wanted to do a prog album because he loves camel and porcupine tree, steven wilson also is a friend of the band, he produced their record 'Blackwater Park' But in their early days they used to play a kind of death metal but it has A LOT of very cool breaks in it...acoustic breaks sounding like prog...and they are, even in their early days, said to play a kind of 'Progressive-Death-Metal' I read it in several reviews...'damnation' is and will probably be their only album sounding like this... but it's a great band and the only one that made me wanting to listen to death metal because it's no normal stupid and simple death metal...if it can be called death metal at all... ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Useful_Idiot wrote:Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 18:30
So Diddy, are you saying the one album, "Damnation" should be included and not their whole output? Damnation is one fine album. I haven't heard their other stuff and from the reviews I've read and comments from other forum members, I'm not about to search them out. To classify Opeth's Damnation, I'd put it in Art Rock with Porcupine Tree. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 19:29
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I'd classify The Mars Volta as art-rock. And Opeth was probably prog metal before they did Damnation. My Arms Your Hearse, for example, was a concept album and featured a lot of complex song structures and such. |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 19:44
Black Rose Immortal (album: Morningrise) is a 20 minutes song and all their songs are really long, just another Prog characteristic... ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 22:02
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Yeah, Black Rose Immortal actually shows some Emerson Lake & Palmer influences, I think. Do you have to be a designated bio writer to write bios for the site? Because I could easily write you a Mars Volta bio if you'd like. |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 09:18
I'm almost certain that you'll like the song "to bid you farewell" from the album mouriningrise -------------   Reed's failed joke counter: ||||| R.I.P. You could have reached infinity.... |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 11:41
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I'll have to find it. I do like dark, brooding, acoustic based music. "Damnation" took me by surprise. I abhor screamers. Give me melodic vocals and intricate musical patterns. |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 15:56
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Try 'Harvest' from 'Blackwater Park' ... acoustic and awesome, it's a song in the 'Damnation-Style' The funny thing is, that Opeth released Damnation and Deliverance at the same time and Damnation was the mellow album and deliverance was the heavy and dark album...a bit surprising, when thinking about the names...
and yes, I think that we should include Damnation and maybe Blackwater Park...a german Prog-Review Site included some Opeth albums even some of the older ones...AND they got good ratigs, Blackwater Park got 13 out of 15... But for me the only REAL Prog album is Damnation...all albums are 'progressive' but Damnation is the only to be considered as real Prog, IMO Edit: So if you decide to add Opeth I would recomment following Mp3s:
...and these two albums should be mentioned when adding Opeth (please add Opeth ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
)Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:28
I usually can't stand screams either, but I love Opeth. I've spoken to others who are the same way. I really strongly recommend that you check out Blackwater Park and see if you like it, because it's very possible that you'll be surprsied. |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:40
that's right...I don't like all kinds of metal and I don't really like metal that is called Death or Black Metal but I adore Opeth and I was surprised, like Useful_Idiot mentioned...So just look at my last post above...listen to 'The drapery Falls' and see if you like it or not, but you will, I'm sure ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 10:42
Okay, when I get it I'll start a thread and we can discuss it. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 10:53
Contact Max@! |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 00:45
| Has adding Opeth been taken into consideration? I think that if Dream Theater qualifies, Opeth should. They're very similar, Opeth just does death metal growling. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 05:55
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Fully support inclusion of The Mars Volta ( and of similar genre A Perfect Circle, esp "13 Step", might be considered too - as both bands who are simply progressing rock - the original 60's definition of prog ). I wrote up a review on Amazon.Uk to say this a couple of months ago. I have to thank Sid Smith (author of In the Court of King Crimson) for pushing me in TMV direction. BTW Sid Smith also pushed me in the direction of the Burning Shed Records label for new things from the UK prog scene, and in turn I recommend it to everybody here. If you check out my Amazon review you'll find I'm using the term "nu-progressives" for The Mars Volta and A Perfect Circle. The term simply implies a band that truly progresses rock by taking on board innovative music forms, this term maybe elastic enough to take in Radiohead and Mansun....???? It most certainly excludes the retro rock of The Darkness (and let's not mention them here again!). (BTW I'm told nu.progressives may have been used already by the Spanish prog rock fraternity). |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 06:54
| Should have included Incubus in that tentative list on nu.progressives. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 00:23
| Of Maynard's projects, Tool is far more progressive than APC, in my humble opinion. I don't think Incubus really counts as prog either. Their music is actually relatively simple. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 23 2004 at 07:19
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Again we are down to the subleties of prog definitions, based on my long held definition of progressive rock, as rock that literally progresses by taking on board new influences from outside the conventional rock field, then APC does meet that criteria. Incubus came out of a radio poll amongst radio listeners aged 18 to 25 - one of who sampled me a burn of tracks from 4 or 5 albums and there is a borderline case that they might be evolving that way. There is a strong case to say the first two Yes albums aren't strictly prog (for instance you may have caught the comments on the reissues in Sid Smith's Diary on the Krimson website last year) but with hindsight show they were heading that way. |