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Topic: The Cinema Show on Genesis’ "Selling..."
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Subject: The Cinema Show on Genesis’ "Selling..."
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:06
Is is just me or is it about, um, sex? If I am wrong, do not laugh at me, I was not raised in an English speaking family and might not understand the true meaning of the song.



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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:14
hmm i dont think so, but hopefully some bigger genesis fans will be able to clear this one up.

there is a lyric, "i will make my bed tonight with her" that might have thrown you to think its about sex but i dont think it is. Sounds like its about love to me.

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The Worthless Recluse


Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:24
Home from work our Juliet
Clears her morning meal
She dabs her skin with pretty smells
Concealing to appeal
I will make my bed
She said, but turned to go
Can she be late for her Cinema show ?
Cinema show ?

Romeo locks his basement flat
And scurries up the stair

With head held high and floral tie
A weekend millionaire
I will make my bed
With her tonight, he cries
Can he fail, armed with his chocolate surprise ?
Take a little trip back with Father Tiresias

Listen to the old one speak of all he has lived through
I have crossed between the poles, for me there's no mystery
Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea

Take a little trip back with Father Tiresias
Listen to the old one speak of all he has lived through
I have crossed between the poles, for me there's no mystery
Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea
Sounds really like it.


Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:30
Romeo locks his basement flat
And scurries up the stair

maybe hes gonna get some hehe

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The Worthless Recluse


Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:33

Perhaps Gabriel meant that men don't give out enough sperm?

Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea

You could only guess.



Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:49
i can see that, but you mite be looking into it too deeply, sounds like a big reference to shakespeare to me.

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The Worthless Recluse


Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:05

Or did he mean that there were more women than men in the 15th century in Italy?

My head is going to explode if I am going to think of just ONE more idea.



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:43
Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.


Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:52


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:53
Now that you mention it, it makes sense. I never noticed that before. I guess you do learn new things everyday.

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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.


Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:56

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:03
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

The Tiresias lines were actually written by Peter Gabriel, when most of the song was already composed by Banks and Rutherford.



Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:23
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

That's prog!



Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:40
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.
I`d prefer to see giant man in rubber monster costume takes over the world.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:44

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.

 

Hey i dunno about that Richard,no supposing.

Shagging in an un-tidy beds not too good either.Just hope he's slapping that chocolate in the appropriate places.

 



Posted By: BlackWinterDay
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 16:47

It's from this passage of "The Waste Land":

 

At the violet hour, when the eyes and back  215
Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits  
Like a taxi throbbing waiting,  
I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives,  
Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see  
At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives  220
Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea,  
The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights  
Her stove, and lays out food in tins.  
Out of the window perilously spread  
Her drying combinations touched by the sun's last rays,  225
On the divan are piled (at night her bed)  
Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.  
I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs  
Perceived the scene, and foretold the rest—  
I too awaited the expected guest.  230
He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,  
A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,  
One of the low on whom assurance sits  
As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.  
The time is now propitious, as he guesses,  235
The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,  
Endeavours to engage her in caresses  
Which still are unreproved, if undesired.  
Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;  
Exploring hands encounter no defence;  240
His vanity requires no response,  
And makes a welcome of indifference.  
(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all  
Enacted on this same divan or bed;  
I who have sat by Thebes below the wall  245
And walked among the lowest of the dead.)  
Bestows on final patronising kiss,  
And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit...  
 
She turns and looks a moment in the glass,  
Hardly aware of her departed lover;  250
Her brain allows one half-formed thought to pass:  
'Well now that's done: and I'm glad it's over.'  
When lovely woman stoops to folly and  
Paces about her room again, alone,  
She smoothes her hair with automatic hand,  255
And puts a record on the gramophone.



Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:25
David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"


Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 20:30
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

That's prog!



To the max


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We Lost the Skyline............




Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 21:41

Originally posted by The-Bullet The-Bullet wrote:

David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

Harsh...

....but absolutely, terribly funny!

Matt



Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 13:12
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

 

That's a great thing to know, where do you find stuff like this? I want to understand other prog sounds like that as well? Is there any source that explains things or is it your solid education?

Also, I had fun laughing at the last sentence.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 13:52

The song's about rape. I've seen it performed a few times. Peter Gabriel and later Phil Collins would explain it before they played the song. I loved it when people would come to hear Colins' solo pop love songs and instead get a date rape ballad.



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 17:42
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

The song's about rape. I've seen it performed a few times. Peter Gabriel and later Phil Collins would explain it before they played the song. I loved it when people would come to hear Colins' solo pop love songs and instead get a date rape ballad.

 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 17:58

No, it was more like



Posted By: Baazetu
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 18:42

On the lyrics, Romeo has a date with Juliet to the movies, they are just two contemporanean teenager lovers.

Romeo tries to conquer Juliet 's love with gifts like chocolate surprises while Juliet "dabs her skin with pretty smells" just to attract Romeo's attention. The line "I will make my bed with her tonight" means just the natural sex hunger of all of the normal teenagers. (And some of the adults too.)

So, they go to the cinema and here is where Peter speaks about an ancient mythological character, Tyresias; who was man and then a woman, so he could experiment the both sides of sexual act (remember this is a theory) "a man like the sea I raged"... "a woman like the earth I gave, but there is in fact more earth than sea" which obviously means that in the sexual act, women enjoy more than men.

Ok, Romeo and Juliet are now in the theater ready to fulfill their desires, (I don't think about a rape, but in a romantic night).

The lights went down........ people keeps silence.......

...and now the movie starts, here comes the BEST KEYBOARD SOLO ON THE ROCK HISTORY (my opinion) it seems to be a sci-fi movie. Romeo and Juliet may be now deeply in their erotic desires of the night...

After that, we see Old Tessa in the aisles of a supermarket where England is being sold by the pound, this is the aftermath of the album; the Aisle Of Plenty... but that's another story.

By the way... I made a solo piano arrangement of this song, I love it.

That's all, I'm Baazetu form Mexico, excuse my bad English.



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I am the cold trembling of your hands, your wet dreams and your broken reality...
I soak your temper warm, I am the incubus...


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 20:21
I always thought the song was about a horny young guy who takes a girl out to the movies and buys her presents, only to get blown off in the end, so he ends up talking to some old homeless drag queen while drowning his sorrows in a beer.

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 20:30
  I had a friend who thought Father Tiersias was one of those priests...  

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 11 2005 at 20:33
^

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: RUM26
Date Posted: July 12 2005 at 01:25
 i think you should tell Ivan_2068 this

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SHEP get with the program


Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 08:21
Originally posted by Baazetu Baazetu wrote:

...and now the movie starts, here comes the BEST KEYBOARD SOLO ON THE ROCK HISTORY (my opinion) it seems to be a sci-fi movie. Romeo and Juliet maybe now deeply in their erotic desires of the night...




Only your opinion? I think it's time for Kofi Annan to make an UN resolution, stating that it is in fact the best keyboard solo in the universe!

I have always thought about Romeo dating Juliet and then the erotic act begins at the same time as the instrumental second part of the song.
It's good to learn about father Tiresias and reading that poem. I mean, this is what I call lyrics, put in some obscure literal references and make a poem of your own, with some kind of deeper meaning that you have to htink of to understand, not some sh*tty Britney Spears "I was born to make you happy" lyrics.


Posted By: jojim
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 13:21
Today I read an article in the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" about Edward Heath, the former prime minister of England. He tried to sell big companies that didn't make enough profit. But Heath failed with his efforts. This happened 1973. Perhaps Gabriel, who always had a social character, was influenced by this political event "Selling Enland by the pound".

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YES - Close to the edge / UK - UK / GENESIS - The lamb lies down / KING CRIMSON - Discipline / MIKE OLDFIELD - Tubular bells / JETHRO TULL - Aqualung / GENTLE GIANT - Three friends / TMO - IMF


Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 14:10
Most of the times long solos are boring, are used for filling an album and sound like a jam you hear at a jamsession. The second part of the cinema show is one of those examples of how to make a long solo interesting from the beginning 'till the end. This is definitely not a filler. There is enough dynamics and variation in it, not only the keyboard player but also the rest of the band should be complemented in this one. There is no "ego stealing the show alone", it is really a band playing together.

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Right down the line


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 06:01
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

Tiresias was a greek figure. Athena got sick and tired of him being a male chauvinist pig and being insensible to women (outside of f**king them that is) and changed him out as a her to serve him a lesson.



Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 06:19

But when he changed back he became the blind seer. Think Oedipus Rex- if you know the story.

 



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50 tonne angel falls to the earth...


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 07:03
Originally posted by Starette Starette wrote:

But when he changed back he became the blind seer. Think Oedipus Rex- if you know the story.

 

Never saw any link from Tiresias to Oedipus, but I do not know the full stories. Oedipus was wriiten by Sophocles as a trilogy including Antigone (his niece) and Creon (his uncle that took over Thebes - Greek city not the Eguptian - after the death of Oedipus's father)  and Chimena, his other niece. I think Tiresias was from Athens.

except maybe in Cinema show



Posted By: Norm Cash
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 07:49

It's a damn good thing that it includes one of the best keyboard solos around, 'cause on the Seconds Out version the guys really screw up the 12-string guitar passage just as the last section of vocals comes in (about 4:15 in).

/pedantic

/Still probably my favourite album ever

 



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"We did it....you and me! Put him right under the table!"



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