I'll vote for the Most Overated Prog Band Thread. Can I suggest that one of the moderators 'bin it' or do we really want to discuss why Yes,ELP and Genesis are so overated while Gentle Giant should have ruled the world (apparently).

(No doubt some 'smart arse' will vote this thread as the most overated one!)

richardh wrote: I'll vote for the Most Overated Prog Band Thread. Can I suggest that one of the moderators 'bin it' or do we really want to discuss why Yes,ELP and Genesis are so overated while Gentle Giant should have ruled the world (apparently). (No doubt some 'smart arse' will vote this thread as the most overated one!)

Hey, Richard!  Haven't you heard?  Yes, Rush, Genesis & ELP are just too pretentious and lacking in talent to bear to listen to!

And it can be proven!

At least that's what I read.  I'm actually still waiting to read that proof. 

ELP?????  NO TALENT?????    YES????  NO TALENT????

thats sheer madness!!!!!!

No way dude! Journey isn't the best band ever.

Loverboy is the best band ever.

lukeventura wrote: No way dude! Journey isn't the best band ever. Loverboy is the best band ever.

  Ahh, whimsy, sure 'tis grand t' see ye again!

Useful_Idiot wrote: ELP and Yes don't lack talent, they just don't know what to do with their talent.

 Really? Well, I guess that settles it then. I'll stop liking them and throw their discs out right away.

Useful_Idiot wrote: ELP and Yes don't lack talent, they just don't know what to do with their talent.

Well at least now we know why they never sold many records. Thanks for enlightening me.

These bands have an enormous amount of talent...ELP is by far the best band out there!!!!!    Why is everyone against these bands...the bands that sold the most records ever   Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP YES, Jethro Tull...then all of the other rubbish lives in their shadow!!!!    anyone who doesn't like these bands has no sense of good, quality music that makes the hair on the back of ya neck stand on end no matter how many times you have listened to it!!!

And sorry Rchard, i know you wanted to avoid this!!!  

How can I define overrated? If I don't like hard rock, for me Led Zeppelin is an overrated band. The same case with folk prog and Jethro Tull, or fusion style with Brand X, etc... I have a friend who loves disco music, and for him Genesis era Gabriel or first Wakeman's albums are totally overrated music. You can find him at forensic office

Richard:

What an interesting idea: an "anti"-thread.  Hmmm...  Since the "Gods" of progarchives have given me absolute power over the forums, I will, as you suggest, take into serious consideration whether particular threads have "outgrown their usefulness"...

That said, I actually like the idea of an anti-thread.  Let's see where this one leads.  After all, I might just decide that this thread is worthy of deletion...

In the meantime, my own (official?) two cents worth here.  For the "regulars" (and...uh...irregulars?), band-related threads can seem like so much opinionated "wheel-spinning."  However, they can be a good source of info (pro and con) for newbies and occasional visitors.  For that reason, it would seem worthwhile to maintain them for a period.  Also keep in mind that the entire forum idea is still basically in its infancy: it was only started a few months ago.  In this regard, one of my new "jobs" (for which they are paying me the "big bucks"...) will be to help Max et al determine how things are going, how things might be tweaked/modified, etc.

Still, keep those cards and letters coming...  And feel free to post additional anti-threads if you feel so inclined...

Peace.

Elfangio:

By all means!  However, remember that double negatives cancel themselves out.  Thus, anything beyond "anti" is "anti"-itself...  I only fear that an "anti-anti-anti-thread" is already in the works...

Peace.

maani wrote: Elfangio: By all means!  However, remember that double negatives cancel themselves out.  Thus, anything beyond "anti" is "anti"-itself...  I only fear that an "anti-anti-anti-thread" is already in the works... Peace.

HA!  I say, HA!

Too late Manni, old thing.  I'm already developing the first strike capability of the PRO-anti-anti-anti-thread!

I shall RULE, and rule ALL!  MWA-HA-HA-HA

What have y'all been drinking?!

A pint of Prog-Grog, I'd say!!

pip, pip and all that rot.

maani wrote: Elfangio: By all means!  However, remember that double negatives cancel themselves out.  Thus, anything beyond "anti" is "anti"-itself...  I only fear that an "anti-anti-anti-thread" is already in the works... Peace.

Well, in the case of a triple negative, it would happen to work out to a negative, just like any odd number of negatives. to get your mind around it, remember this: the not-unblack dog chased the not-un-fast rabbit across the not-un-green field.

Jim Garten wrote: Glass-Prison wrote: [QUOTE=maani] Elfangio: By all means!  However, remember that double negatives cancel themselves out.  Thus, anything beyond "anti" is "anti"-itself...  I only fear that an "anti-anti-anti-thread" is already in the works... Peace. Well, in the case of a triple negative, it would happen to work out to a negative, just like any odd number of negatives. to get your mind around it, remember this: the not-unblack dog chased the not-un-fast rabbit across the not-un-green field.

 Glass is correct. As with math, an odd number of negatives remains negative. An even number cancel themselves out. If you say "I didn't do nothing," then that means that you did do something.

Thus, in the convoluted example above, we have a black dog, a fast rabbit, a green field, and a terrible sentence!

maani wrote: Richard: What an interesting idea: an "anti"-thread.  Hmmm...  Since the "Gods" of progarchives have given me absolute power over the forums, I will, as you suggest, take into serious consideration whether particular threads have "outgrown their usefulness"... That said, I actually like the idea of an anti-thread.  Let's see where this one leads.  After all, I might just decide that this thread is worthy of deletion... In the meantime, my own (official?) two cents worth here.  For the "regulars" (and...uh...irregulars?), band-related threads can seem like so much opinionated "wheel-spinning."  However, they can be a good source of info (pro and con) for newbies and occasional visitors.  For that reason, it would seem worthwhile to maintain them for a period.  Also keep in mind that the entire forum idea is still basically in its infancy: it was only started a few months ago.  In this regard, one of my new "jobs" (for which they are paying me the "big bucks"...) will be to help Max et al determine how things are going, how things might be tweaked/modified, etc. Still, keep those cards and letters coming...  And feel free to post additional anti-threads if you feel so inclined... Peace.

Basically the most overated band thread annoyed me because attacking (as I see it) the major players of the genre (ELP,Yes and Genesis etc) is stupendously silly.This is a PROG Forum ffs.Where would prog rock be without these bands??Thinking about it,this forum would instantly go up in a puff of smoke.

richardh wrote: Basically the most overated band thread annoyed me because attacking (as I see it) the major players of the genre (ELP,Yes and Genesis etc) is stupendously silly.This is a PROG Forum ffs.Where would prog rock be without these bands??Thinking about it,this forum would instantly go up in a puff of smoke.

I think you forget that there are probably a lot of people who visit this site who don't even listen to bands like ELP, Yes and Genesis...

I would halt all the complaining going on in these forums (by quite a few people) about "too many stars!!" and "too few stars!!!" and "he ripped up my favorite album!!" and so on...  to me it just comes off as so much fussing about puffed-up opinions that people cherish too dearly and want to have "standardized" in some way.  What a joke!  Really, think about it.

corbet wrote: I think you forget that there are probably a lot of people who visit this site who don't even listen to bands like ELP, Yes and Genesis...

Well if they are not, why aren't they??? 

corbet wrote: I would halt all the complaining going on in these forums (by quite a few people) about "too many stars!!" and "too few stars!!!" and "he ripped up my favorite album!!" and so on...  to me it just comes off as so much fussing about puffed-up opinions that people cherish too dearly and want to have "standardized" in some way.  What a joke!  Really, think about it.

EGAD, MAN!  You're talking about eliminating half of the forum traffic!!!!

corbet wrote: richardh wrote: Basically the most overated band thread annoyed me because attacking (as I see it) the major players of the genre (ELP,Yes and Genesis etc) is stupendously silly.This is a PROG Forum ffs.Where would prog rock be without these bands??Thinking about it,this forum would instantly go up in a puff of smoke. I think you forget that there are probably a lot of people who visit this site who don't even listen to bands like ELP, Yes and Genesis... I would halt all the complaining going on in these forums (by quite a few people) about "too many stars!!" and "too few stars!!!" and "he ripped up my favorite album!!" and so on...  to me it just comes off as so much fussing about puffed-up opinions that people cherish too dearly and want to have "standardized" in some way.  What a joke!  Really, think about it.

I've thought about it a lot.Actually the last 25 years or so since I bought my first ELP album and then read all the tripe that was coming from many music critics about my beloved music.I've had my fill of it quite honestly and if I see fit to have a grumble I will.