Big Generator or Abacab
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Topic: Big Generator or Abacab
Posted By: The Quiet One
Subject: Big Generator or Abacab
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 11:44
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Thx for the 90125 or Duke poll this comes from the same vein, in this case both are the weakest pop/prog albums from those bands. (not counting Invisible Touch neither Union) So, Which!? I love Abacab(the song), but as an album I think it's a major failure from the really good Duke. Big Generator is a bad atempt of 90125, even though I really love Big Generator (the song) Prog track VS Pop Trach IMC(in my case) |
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 12:20
| YUCK... neither |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 12:36
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Neither as well. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 12:39
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hehe |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:10
| Shoot High Aim Low.......... |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:15
| ABACAB is a major if unappreciated work. You guys don't deserve to appreciate the genius of that album. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:28
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I love Abacab. Not a big fan of "Whodunnit", but otherwise a fine disc. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:42
I used to like Abacab, including Whodunnit  . Snow Dog (where has he gone?) and I used to be member of the Whodunnit Appreciation Society  . I must say, though, that I haven't listened to Abacab in a long time, nor do I feel the desire to do that, so that says something as well.
I think Abacab is not a bad album. They were covering new ground, which was good. It's not one of my top favourite albums, and not to everybody's taste either, and most of the albums before were better, but the songs are well written, and I think the album is superior to any of the Genesis albums that followed.
I agree with you, Cacho, about Big Generator. In my ears it's a bad carbon copy of 90125, though there are some good songs on the album.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:48
ha good to say that  ...I agree that Abacab is their last best effort, even though it's not really 'best' but still has some good stuff, like mmm Tormato?...
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Moogtron III wrote:Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:55
Tormato is an excellent comparison
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 13:55
ha great thx.. ..have in mind that I'm not saying that Tormato is their last best effort, but in sound and somehow in time are similar.. Cause for me Drama is there real last best effort and it's really awsome, a pitty IMO the vocals. Although I love Magnification and parts from The Ladder.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 14:02
I agree, and personally I happen to be a big fan of 90125.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 14:05
ahh a 90125 fan mmm..haha.. I never could get into 90125 (it's not something to make me proud of), maybe it's cause I haven't lived in those days  I'm a new millenium kid with the luck of having the 60's 70's taste
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 14:36
| Abacab is not that bad.. I really do not like big generator.. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 15:26
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Shoot High and aim low my friends.... I prefer BG way over Abacab any day. At lest BG didnt have drum machines. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 15:39
Well at least Big Generator is a bit better than Open Your Eyes  but Abascab and Generating some extra money are really a low point for two pretty good bands..............I guess using a drum machine takes the cake though. It was a really shakey time for music and to be honest I kind of shut the whole experience out. I never listen to either album, in fact I don't own either one them.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 15:54
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^^^ I actually do throw on the Big Generator now and again... It has it's moments. No prog moments, that's for sure, but it has some fun moments none the less. Is it just me or was the riff from Almost Like Love stolen by Dream Theater for the opening riff to Root Of All Evil? |
Posted By: Paper Champion
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 16:48
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Genesis for me again. Abacab is a weak album, but Big Generator was just the most bizarre thing ever made by Yes. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 17:25
Well, don't be ashamed, new millennium kid.
After all, the best taste to have is a '60's and '70's taste  |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 18:47
It's interesting looking back on that time and seeing how the 'big boys' managed to stay alive and being the talents that they are, you are going to see and hear some brilliant moments within that music even though it was a time of incredible comprimize for them....................Now, off to think of another poll..............must make it interesting and maybe even a bit out of the ordinary....................
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 18:52
 Skaldowie?! haha...Tormato VS Invisible Touch haha.. Drama VS Wind and Wuthering..
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 18:53
yeah basically BG is okay, a few good moments.. but Abacab is unique, beautifully recorded and has some great cuts |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 19:02
Tormato blows away Invisible touch..................just blows it away...........Just for 'On the Silent Wings of Freedom' alone not to mention a few other gems on that disc. Drama vs Wind and Wuthering would be more apt I think. I like both of those albums and I love Tormato.......................
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Posted By: bucky01403
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 19:08
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Abacab was my first experience with Genesis, so I will always have a soft spot in my heart for it.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 19:30
I'm trying to get into Tormato but it seems an amateur album, not saying it's pop but it's really nothing compared to Yes standards. The playing and singing are really weak. The keyboards are awful and weak. What else?.. Oh sorry I meant Tormato VS Genesis(shapes)... I'm no Genesis hard fan so I'll go for Drama of course.. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 29 2008 at 19:51
Tormato unlike many of YES' works is very loose in that you can hear more of the individual musicians at work. You could feel things changing within the band as I recall and Tormato just turned out to be just one more way the group could go. I know of no other band that shows the kind of versatility that YES shows and that is one of the things I treasure in this group. They give you a different look and their music is very consistant wherever they go. Put it another way. The Band YES is a talent that few really understand and for those of us who do, well, it's a treat.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 01:27
You have got to be kidding me. The keys are the one redeeming feature on this album. It's not Fragile or CTTE, but you can find lots of things that you could more justly complain about than the keys.
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Posted By: Mind Drive
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 07:22
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I chose Big Generator for two reasons, "I'm Running" and "Shoot High Aim Low" which are far better than anything on ABACAB. For me ABACAB is the most dissapointing album by Genesis. I actually play Invisible Touch much more than ABACAB. There just isn't much on this album that makes me want to play it. ------------- Senior Member |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 07:44
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Big Generator. One of the worst albums ever released. Simply awful.
Abacab. One of the most irritating album ever released. But still better than Generator.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 07:56
I had an open mind when 90210 came out, but by the time Big Genitalrator came out I had quit following new Yes and have never actually heard it. I think Abacab gets less respect around here than it deserves. Whodunnit is also a popular song to pick on, but I always thought it was neat little silly song. Anyone who takes that song seriously should be tickle tortured to death.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 08:07
| 'Abacab' at a push. They are both very dissapointing albums. At least Abacab has 'Me & Sarah Jane' and 'Dodo' which are ok. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 12:46
| ^ I agree totally. Big Generator has nothing comparable to "Dodo." |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 13:15
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To be shot or to be hanged?
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Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 14:50
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Growing up in the '80s and loving the prog of the '70s, I was excited to hear about new albums from my favorite bands, like Genesis, Yes, Tull, King Crimson, etc. So I view albums like Abacab, BG, 90125, Under Wraps, with some nostalgia. No, they're not as good as what came before, or in some cases after, but for me they still hit that nice little spot. Crimson doesn't seem to have dropped off nearly as much--in fact Discipline, from that same era, is one of my favorite KC albums. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 15:02
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Abacab 100% even though it isn't Genesis greatest prog achievement. it is a good album and 100 % better than big Generator. however Abacab is their weakest Prog album.
Big Generator was a big disappointment that I could keep the album for no more than a week after I bought it back it came out. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 16:41
I didn't want to say weak, well yes!...but also rather than weak they're not Yes stylish the keyboards, they're really disgusting IMO. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 17:35
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This is a serious case of "Pick your poison", but having said that I prefer Yes West any time over PC pop Genesis, so I prefer Big Generator, even if it's among the worst albums of Yes. ------------- To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica) |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 19:28
Enough said  |