The Open-Minded Music Fans Club
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Subject: The Open-Minded Music Fans Club
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:11
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While on hiatus from using the PA forums, I watched with disgust at some of the apalling progsnobbery present here. So here's a thread for people who appreciate any of the following genres:
punk/hardcore punk
electronic music
pop
new wave
techno
emo (the real stuff, like Rites of Spring and At The Drive-In)
rap
And anything else generally seen as the bane of prog's existence.
All of these genres are great, by the way.
If you don't like them, don't be a troll and just stay out of this thread.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:25
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Moved to General Music Discussions ------------- 
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:26
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Ha, I knew they're not really music! Maybe you in the future you should be more careful which forum you post in. ;-) I don't think that electronic music in general is the bane of prog, just dance music.
Noooo, Jim ruined my joke. :( ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:27
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I dunno - come to a progressive rock forum & expect us not to be complete & utter snobs... what is the world coming to? -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:29
| I just want to have a place where I can discuss good music without being ridiculed for having tastes beyond prog. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:29
Haha, my return is off to a good start. I guess with TLC away...
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Jim Garten wrote:Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:34
get used to any of the rest... (except Cypress Hill I guess) There are quite a few of good pop musicians (or were) like G. Michael, Michael Jackson etc. but I have almost lost all my interest in this decade |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:36
Grizzly Bear
Animal Collective
Dalek
Kayo Dot
Boris
Meshuggah
John Zorn
Marco Benevento
And soooooo many others are all great bands from this decade. Since 2005 or so music has been in an undeniable golden era.
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:48
All of those genres have many great bands! Haven't listened much emo though... |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 12:50
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I can listen to ANYTHING as long as I find it enjoyable.
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 13:11
Try the two I mentioned.
And the greatest rap CD ever:
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 13:42
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Punk gave us The Clash, which was an interesting band. The Sex Pistols had some enjoyable moments as well.
Electronic music: Kraftwerk is pretty good, and Jean-Michel Jarre sometimes
Pop: I like The Beach Boys and Donald Fagen, among others
New wave: I like Gary Numan and Talk Talk
Techno: there's probably some interesting stuff there as well, though I haven't discovered it yet (an open minded answer, eh?
 Don't know any emo.
Rap: I liked some stuff from the Native Tongues artists from the late '80's: artists like De La Soul, Jungle Brothers and A Tribe Called Quest, and I used to like Public Enemy to a certain extent, and the Dream Warriors once had a great album.
That's as open-minded as I can get for the moment
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 16:03
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Punk also gave us post-punk and hardcore punk, which are far more interesting than the original bands, IMO.
Post-punk: This Heat, Joy Division, Mission of Burma, etc
Hardcore Punk: Husker Du is my favorite, Zen Arcade is a sprawling concept album
Oh, and to be in this thread, you must must must must must not think that indie is talentless crap. Because that is just so unbelievably wrong.
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 18:37
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If it sounds good to me, I'll listen to it. Lots of punk and metal and oddball stuff in my collection.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 00:30
These groups are win, especially the super amazingtastic Animal Collective. I haven't heard enough of the others. But I agree, modern music is amazing, you just have to find some of it. 2007 was excellent in particular. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 03:16
| I want in! |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 05:34
Just out of interest, what sort of Techno do you like? I'm quite the fan myself. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 05:58
A good old fashioned progressive music fan, who grew up with this music from the mid 60's would have and still should be open to any musical experience - although he/she doesn't have to like every band but in probabliity find something within each genre which will appeal. Anybody uses the word 'hate' wrt to a musical form is abusing the English language and usually demonstrating a pitiful lack of experience   ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 06:30
Who are these "progsnobs" doing this? I must hve been lucky, because I haven't run into them here. I'd rather ridicule someone who doesn't have tastes beyond prog. (although I find emo apalling/uninteresting myself) ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 10:41
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Indeed. There are genres listed on the original post that do nothing for me at all (mainly rap- I feel no connection to any of it I've heard whatsoever...and over the years I've been exposed to lots of it!), but I wouldn't consider myself 'closed minded' just because I dislike rap- I just tend to stay away from threads discussing rap, really, as I have no input. My dislike of much current British 'indie' is renowned, though, and I certainly have posted how much I dislike the musically conservative likes of Razorlight, The View and Hard Fi- I just think that guitar pop formula has been done to death.
Anyway, I grew up listening to people like Elvis Presley, The Beatles and David Bowie as much as I did progressive rock. More recent discoveries of mine that have excited me are the back catalogues of Van Morrison and Scott Walker, alongside post-punk acts Magazine, Joy Division and Simple Minds' early albums.
I am kind of disappointed my thread on the aforementioned Magazine hasn't really attracted any attention thus far, though...One thing I definitely have noticed here is, rather than snobbery as such, the need to tie in things with prog for it to be musically valid. I remember being left open-mouthed at somebody claiming that it wasn't worth discussing Elvis Presley on the board because he had no connection to prog.
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Posted By: reality
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 20:46
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I do not see how someone liking "Prog" music warrants snobbery? Does it take some kind of special person to say you like something. Oh, you listen to music quite the accomplishment.
If two people were standing in the street, one listens to "Prog" the other to "Rap", do you honestly think that one is superior to the other because of preference. Oops the "Rap" guy just mentioned Yes, that blows your theory. I like Country Western, oh you are better than me; wait now I like "Prog" and suddenly you are not. Also I may like Progressive Rock, but I can see it is not the most accomplished genre. It is Jack of all trades, master of none genre. 1. Compared to many non-popular genres "Prog" is very simplistic and lacks compositional quality and fundamental music theory. 2. "Prog" does not hold its own on the song-writing end either. "Prog" looses heavily to other forms of popular music in almost every avenue of song-craft. Admittedly "Prog" is popular music so it uses the same hooks and catches as say Billy Joel, but you compare the end product (which might not be why you listen to "Prog") Billy Joel by a songwriters mile. 3. Lyrics are usually either good or really bad in "Prog", but even so it gets clobbered by the quality of lyrics of most modern Folk music. Bob Dylan or Jon Anderson, who deserves to be more celebrated as a lyricist? Even the more poppy stuff like Bernie Taupin, or the great Country lyricists. While Yes, Jethro tull and the so called progressive movement was going on, lyrically they paled in comparison to the progressive introspection of John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band or the life mirroring descriptions of Paul Simon. Bottom-line: I like "Prog" but I am not naive enough to think that it does not get its but kicked intellectually and musically by other genres of music. I would say that 95% of the marketed audience of "Prog" have no musical training and are of average IQ, just like other forms of popular music. What "Prog" seems to excel at (in comparison to other "Popular music" genres) is equally matched by what it lacks. "Prog" snobbery is a pathetic way to try to elevate yourself above others. It has no basis in fact or quality. By the way (to fit the topic) I am a big fan of OMD and New Order, and have been for years |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 09:33
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count me in for electronic
currently listening to Ultravisitor
Steinbolt is good abrasive fun ------------- 
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 11:54
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Someone's heard of Rites of Spring and I don't know them personally! I love loads of Dischord label bands (Fugazi isn't just a Marillion album!). ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 17:37
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I'm definitely in. I don't listen much to prog these days. Most of the time it's older indie stuff such as shoegaze and American 90's stuff. I also listen to a lot of old 90's emo, a highly loveable kind of music very different from what gets tagged emo these days. At the Drive-In were not really emo btw, but similar-sounding. If you like their earlier stuff (first full-lenght in particular), try Cap'n Jazz if you haven't already. I could also give you many more tips. I consider venturing further into electronic music but I don't really know where to start. I'll sort it out though. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 04:47
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Prog-rock is quickly falling out of my top genre list since I can't find anything I like outside of the big names from the 70's (Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, etc.). Indie rock is my favorite genre of all-time, followed by post-rock, shoegaze and black metal. Outside of those I also like New Age, post-metal, doom metal, funeral doom metal, avant-garde, classical, jazz fusion, emo (Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, The Appleseed Cast, etc.), and some pop. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Seltzer
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 06:30
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I listen to a massive range of music, but rap/hip-hop is probably the genre that I've never really connected with. It's not as if there aren't rap albums I like or I can't appreciate lyrical ability... it's just that I am biased towards the music side of it, which isn't the emphasis in those genres.
So... prog is my favourite genre of music but I've always been a metal fan too (especially doom and thrash). I like jazz, punk/post punk, electronica, indie, classic rock, classical, post rock, funk, psychedelia, etc... list goes on. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 04 2008 at 17:22
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I love metal, hard rock, classic rock, I have some rap, even some pop, new age.... emo just scares me away... Jazz I have a little and I have a lot lot of classical music (almost as much as prog)
By the way, please don't turn this "I like these non-prog genres" into a "This is wrong with prog" thread.... first, because I guess that was not the inittial purpose, and second, we're in a PROG forum after all..... ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 16:37
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I'm sure I've said it before but I'll say it again. Outside of prog I really enjoy swing, jazz, the avant-garde, classic rock, and classical. I also like some metal, noise rock, some rock/pop, and world music. Lately I've been having a soft spot for 80s music (mostly pop/new wave) for some reason. I"ve also been tryting to get into electronica a bit more. The problem is there is so much prog I want I get to these other bands very slowly.
I like any band that emphasizes the music over everything else. Not to sau it has to be instramental, but the music has to be interesting at least. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 16:47
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Where's alt rock or grunge?
I can have some dosis from Coldplay, Audioslave, Pearl Jam, Blind Melon, Simply Red, Inxs, RHCP, Ram Jam, Ac/Dc, etc |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 17:29
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The question is, what are you defining as "snobbery"? From your description, it appears that you mean disliking other types of music. However, I genuinely dislike almost all music that cannot have the "progressive" tag attached to it in some way because it annoys me. Is that prog snobbery?
I'm just confused by this, because people saying "Oh, but I love classic rock!" seems to be the antidote when being attacked as a "prog snob", when it appears to me that the only way to be a real snob would be to falsely reject something because it's not prog--and liking some popular music would not change that. You're just taking away a few names from your list of things I automatically claim to dislike.
The point is that prog fans, stereotypically, do not like other music, and the "snobbery" comes from looking down on it and rejecting it completely.
This is a "classical and jazz snobbery" debate that can never be resolved.
If you're looking for a catchy song, then absolutely. But there's more to music than being catchy, and that's not why I listen to prog.
Eh, does anyone really listen to prog for the lyrics? I know that I'm not listening to Peter Gabriel's nonsense when I'm listening to Genesis.
On topic: woo, Aphex Twin and Venetian Snares! ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 01:59
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:13
Yes, I listen Prog for the music and for the lyrics.
Intelligent and well written lyrics are an important part of a song, for God's sake, Peter Gabriel ,must be one of the most prolific and versatile lyric writters in Rock history, h's able to write about almost everything and do it well, politics, bothanics, revolutions, Sci Fi, violence, history, religion, you name it and he has written about it.
I don't knoiw how can anybody say Peter Gabriel write's nonsenses.
Have you heard Musical Box, Get Em Out by Friday, Supper's Ready, Dancing with the Moonliy Knight, The Knife, etc?
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:31
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Peter Gabriel's lyrics are nonsense?!? What? Sure, he may sound crazy and he does act crazy (especially in concerts), but if you take a closer look at his lyrics, you'll see some pretty good stuff, especially on albums like The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, where he tackles topics like consumerism, insanity and the sexual revolution (to name a few). Sure, his lyrics aren't on par with someone like Roger Waters or David Gilmour from Pink Floyd, (who were arguably the best lyricists not only in the prog realm, but in rock music as a whole), but it's far away from nonsense. To answer Salvo's question, I listen to prog for the music, mostly. Complexity in music has always captured my attention, and that's what prog's main ingredient is. However, I do love the lyrics from Pink Floyd and Rush, who are probably the best lyricists in the prog genre. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 02:58
Hey now, I'm no staunch Gabriel defender like Ivan  , but I believe Peter Gabriel's worst lyrics (not that I can think of any that are bad at all) are a good bit above Gilmour's and Waters's worst. Case in point: Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk, Corporal Clegg). ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 04:59
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Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments...
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 05:25
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Oh right, I forgot people would take me seriously when I said that. I was using nonsense in a very loose way. They're not bad lyrics, and they usually make sense (at least way way more sense than Jon), but I never thought they were particulary deep, although they sometimes had interesting subjects. But I was just saying that the lyrics are not at all what I'm paying attention to when I listen to them.
This is PA, it's a rule that we got off-topic within 2 pages. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 07:09
| Let's stop talking about Prog because this is a non-Prog thread in the non-Prog section. kthxbye |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 07:19
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I agree with Phileas and Rocktopus! Go make strawman progsnob thread number six million in a different sub-forum and circle the wagons against the non-existent enemy. =) All I've been listening to this past month is cabaret, Nick Cave, japanese nonsense-pop and Melvins albums, so I loves this thread. I wouldn't call myself an open-minded music lover because I tend to ignore *new* music and I'm sure that's a huge failing... ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 12:35
Onew question, I like some POP, New Wave, Techno and even some Classic Punk plus of course Classic Rock, Jazz, Rockabilly, Classical music, Folk Music, World Music (None of which you have mentioned) but I can't stand Rap, Emo or Boys/Girls bands..Am I close minded to your eyes?
Why when a person answers in a post that he doesn't like a determined genre, the close minded statement starts?
If you come to a Prog forum you will notice that most people believe Prog is the best genre, if you go to a Punk forum you will finfdthat people believe that Punk is the best genre and if you go to an Eminem Forum, you will find most people believe he is God....So where is the Prog snobbery? Aren't we allowed to have a defined taste?
Fot God's sake, this is a Prog Forum, if you don't want to see people praising Prog over the rest, then you are in the wrong place.
Iván
BTW: It's hilarious to see Prog fans bashing Prog to feel they are politically correct, if you don't believe in what you do or in you'r taste, simply you don't know what you like.
Why try to make people feel better saying "Hey Prog is less important than Classical music or Jazz"....For God's sake, that's not the point and is not true at all, the three are different and if there is one place where Rock, Classical, Jazz and Folk touch themselves is precisely in Prog.
If you believe in something don't bash it to look politically correct, if you believe a genre is the best say it loud, in matters of taste YOU CAN'T BE WRONG. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:23
If someone uses this pro-non-prog thread to start attacking prog, in a prog forum, I guess it's only normal to start defending prog. The guy who decided, instead of talking about the genres proposed in the opening post, to attack prog and compare it with everything, ask him to stop talking about prog in a non-prog section. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:26
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs... -------------
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:35
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great, you pushed this on to a third page with comments totally unrelated to the thread's heading. to recap: POST-PUNK ELECTRONICA RAP INDIE NO WHINING ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 15:46
Interesting, I might have to start going there! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 17:42
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I think you could open it up some more. It frustrates me when people
say they don't like Classical music or World music. C'mon now, that's
hundreds of years of music from ALL over the world. There must be
SOMETHING, surely? Le Trio Joubran, anyone? Le Mystere des voix
Bulgares? Might be a bit of a long shot with those particular people, I
dunno. I recommend both, though ;) Looking back to your original post...I had a friend at my old school who was a fan or rap, but good rap. Some of it was actually fairly intricate and not just the stereotypical rapping over a sample and a beat. It seemed to me that this was what the genre had turned into lately, but I was thankfully wrong! ------------- 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 18:24
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World music is amazing. If I had more of it, I'd probably listen to it almost as much as prog, but my supply is lacking at best sadly. And Animal Collective is still amazing. ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:38
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Neil Young (& Crazy Horse) Flaming Lips Pavement Incubus Faith No More Phish Robert Plant Led Zep Iron Maiden Aphex Twin RHCP Smashing Pumpkins Echo and The Bunnymen U2 Chameleons UK Beatles George Harrison Richard Thompson The Boss Basically select folk rock, post punk, classic rock, power metal, psychedelic rock, Celtic, 80s metal (hair, etc), electronica, ambient, etc. I love so freakin' many bands in PA, who vary in sound a lot, but other genres are iffy. I'm picky. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:59
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Lets see which are the non Prog bands I really like:
I could follow for long, the only two genres you would never find are Rap and Disco. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 20:20
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I do have a weakness for the great songwriters; Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, CS&N, Stevie Nicks, Lennon/McCartney/Harrison ..it is a unique skill and I agree that it's just as demanding to write a great 'pop' song as to write something more complex ...you do what you do |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:53
I think I've tended to avoid things described as 'prog' mostly, because I'm very wary of pretension/pomp... but often, don't you find that the stuff that you have assumed to be achingly pretentious and unlistenably complex turns out to be so much more sincere and interesting than its reputation suggests? Assumptions about music... double-plus ungood, methinks.  It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?! But anyway... NON-PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! Stay on topic, yes?  Some of the things I like... (and I think all of these might appeal to people who like 'progressive music'...) Sparks (Those lyrics! Priceless! Their music is so intelligent and so catchy! If Noel Coward started a glam pop band...) Snakefinger (I need to hear more of him! He's a little uncategorisable, and of course ineffably barmy! In some ways it's almost like a PARODY of prog... RIP.) The Stooges ('Fun House' is just unendingly brilliant. Blistering rock music with just the merest sniff of - dare I say - avant-jazz...) The Ramones (Tired of all things epic? Refresh yourself with the musical equivalent of toilet wall graffiti... in a GOOD WAY I mean!!) Judee Sill (Poetic lyrics, metaphysical subject matter, ravishing orchestrations... and your girlfriend will like it!) Eclectic Alabama, that's me... |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:21
Art rock. I'm going to start using that because 1) I like the ring of it, 2) it is an authentic period term used to describe ol' prog rock, and 3) it sums-up everything about the movement in two definitive words. I'm getting pretty sick of the term "prog" these days as well, especially with how it's been thrown around and has little meaning in our modern day. But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 12:42
There's a Gypsy band I kind of know called Paprika Balkanicus (I've met them while they've been busking in Covent Garden and also performing at a Gypsy festival). Try them out on MySpace, they're pure Gypsy folk. Their violinist also plays in a Classical violin quartet, but I'm not sure what they're called. -------------
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 13:18
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I listen to lots of non-prog music as well as prog, it's all good! Some of the non-prog bands I like: Del The Funky Homosapien, Aphex Twin, The Cranberries, Dolores O'Riordan, Blackalicious, Poison The Well, Sparta, Orphanage, Dimmu Borgir, Killswitch Engage etc. etc. Lots of different genres and bands to explore...I love music, period! Oh, and it's good not to take oneself too serious musically, I think...Ramones are great fun, you don't listen to them for musical "complexity"... |
Posted By: Johnmusic88
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 15:45
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Posted By: reality
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 21:25
I agree "Art Rock" is more indicative to how people want to use the term "Prog" as the thought or spirit behind the creation of the music. People who want to make art, while "Prog" could be a sub-genre with a certain codified sound. Oh yea, listen to Chris Gaines (aka Garth Brooks) it is good stuff! It is the ultimate concept album, even went so far as to alter billboard charts from the 90's to play into the concept of the album. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:32
I don't think any seemed to comment on that, I can understand Rites Of Spring as being tagged emo, but that is the first time I've even seen At The Drive-In labelled as emo. All the big ATDI fans will tell you they are a Post-Hardcore band, which seemed obvious to me anyway when I listened them. They sounded much like a more progressive type hardocore band, I never saw the emo connection at all with ATDI. If you listen to Relationship Of Command, which is one of my favorite albums in the punk genre (Which is saying something, because I'm not a big punk fan) the band had clearly gone well past straight up hardcore into something more complex and progressive. ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:42
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I like a lot of non-prog music, given before I was into prog that was what I listened to anyone.
I like Rage Against The Machine, Refused, Alice In Chains, Jeff Buckley, Darkest Hour, Faith No More and Nevemore are just some of the non-prog music I like.
Go to the Best guitarist-Technique and speed... thread and you will see I love many instrumental guitarists, many of whom aren't necessarily prog either. -------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 11:18
You know T, sometimes that is PA. "This prog isn't prog because prog is ..." ; "Prog hasn't been made since 197? ..."; " what so prog about genre x or y ... "; " i like some prog, but some prog is simply just noise ... "; Now there is an objective case that I have unsuccessfully tried to make about krautrock. But then, some people who think they know more than me ( and wouldn't you know it, that is just not a rare happening here that many actually do) come up with arguements that I cannot refute. So i save my best shots for boosting Ange & Klaatu to the top shelf of prog acts. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 11:21
You'd be surprised how much indie music shares commonalities with prog. The prog metal sub genres likely include some of the genres you mention. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 18:54
Oh I know, that's part of what drew me to the genre in the first place. And finding progressive metal that has absolutely nothing in common with Dream Theater is something I look for everyday. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 11:16
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Ivan likes BTO ??? Way to Go , Ivan !
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 13:36
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 15:00
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Hell yeah I'm joining, but for the record i detest emo, mainly because of emo kids. I think Drum n Bass should be added to that list also, same with Reggae. I love rap, especially 2pac and Eminem. Punk is also great, although i can't really forgive it for destroying prog , but the important thing is to try and understand why the fans like it that type of music embrace the reason.
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Posted By: reality
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 16:01
"Prog" destroyed itself, it is a hard thing to mantain you know. "Punk" is cool exclusive from anything else, raw emotion and aggression with a message to boot. You know what is also cool? Chris Gaines - check him out 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 01:56
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 03:50
Bargh, I cannot stand the stuff. It's far too trendy for my ears, what with the obnoxious down-tuning, constant pinch-harmonics, breakdowns, and throaty vocals. Although I can enjoy some of the bands who are on the more metal side of the spectrum, and bands like Poison the Well who prefer emo melodies and experimentation to breakdowns... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 07:21
Oh no! My friend loves that stuff, but, from what I've heard, it's so formulaic! Uninteresting metal, same ol' breakdown, and...wait for it...melodic chorus! I think it only really consists of a few bands, though, doesn't it? I give the genre a go quite often, because my friend always says OOH OOH YOU GOTTA LISTEN TO THIS, but I've never liked it (so far) :/ Mind you, it's not as bad as a lot of those "deathcore" bands like Twitch of the Deathnerve. Most of them only aim to stick a "bree bree" in there a zillion times and the saaaaame breakdown. I like some death metal, but I've never liked deathcore. It's just not aiming to get anywhere, I think it's mainly for people who just want to be in a band for the fun of it. And shout bree bree. The drummers are often pretty good, though! I saw Job for a Cowboy supporting someone, and I felt sorry for the drummer. He was a much better musician than the rest of the band. -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 10:19
Prog is destroyed?
Oops sad news if it's true, lets tell the hundreds of bands that send their submission to Prog Archives that they don't exist. Today Prog is more alive than Punk, at least real Punk, not all the hybrids that people call Punk today.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 10:22
Quoted for truth. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:09
Re-quoted for re-truth...
Reality, most of your posts are not too favorable towards prog... May I ask if you're in the right place??  There are 394873948370 forums out there where you don't have to love prog you know...-------------
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 15:49
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It's possible to love prog but also consider it dead or destroyed. Like me, for example! I'm one of those strict 70's kind of prog guy, but I really love that stuff (which is why I'm here because none of the other boards I go to have ever heard of true progressive rock).
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 23:30
If your nick is Avantgardehead, I guess you are an Avant fan.
Isn't the most trascendental Avant Prog development a post 70's phenomenon?
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Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 01:09
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I guess I can be called open-minded because I don't care about what genre of music I'm listening to at any certain time. We had the Blue Scholars (hip hop/rap, but in a good way) come to our school and I was able to enjoy myself just as much as any other concert. Sure it's music in 4/4 and it's sampled from other artists and there's not much besides him talking/rapping, but I was able to overlook that nonsense and just enjoy the sounds and messages they had. While I'm at it, I guess I could recommend the Blue Scholars to people now that I've mentioned them. They're a local band for me, representing the Seattle area. They play hip-hop, but they have good and important messages in their music and some of their stuff is pretty tasteful. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz79goWQrYU - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz79goWQrYU |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 04:29
Funny that the majority of my avant collection is 90's and beyond. I actually don't like much of the 70's avant stuff at all. But then again I *gasp* don't really consider avant-garde as being progressive, per se, but that's a whole other argument. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 08:51
| The best Avant-Prog was the RIO stuff from the 70's, in my opinion. I've checked out a couple of modern bands but not really liked them. Nimal and L'Ensemble Rayé being to exceptions. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 13:38
Mmm... in that case you're a necrophiliac...
I don't think it's dead anyway. For two reasons:
1. Well, the amoun of prog music being released today in every genre.
2. Music doesn't die. Maybe TRENDS die, maybe FASHIONS die, but I don't think music dies. Bach himself died exactly 258 years ago, yet his music will probably outlive you, me, and most prog. So... yes, the prog trend died, but what Genesis and all of them recorded will live forever. And saying "prog is dead" repeatedly in a prog forum doesn't look like an opinion but like an attitude man, not yours but from other members. Even if we agree it's dead (which is not), instead of crying because of that let's enjoy the fact that we can enjoy it and buy much more prog today than it was available in its heyday.
By the way, i'm dead.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 15:45
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There's this weird solitude that comes from listening to 70's prog when you have the mindset that this type of music isn't made anymore. It takes me to a completely different world than anything else I listen to....
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Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: April 16 2008 at 17:12
I get that with Early Music  In my mind 70s music is still contemporary :o-------------
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