Tool a Heavy Prog band ?
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Topic: Tool a Heavy Prog band ?
Posted By: JROCHA
Subject: Tool a Heavy Prog band ?
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:46
Lately I been thinking should Tool be in the Heavy Prog category. Yeah they have metal in their music but they are not really a all Prog Experimental metal band like a Isis or Pelican . Choose yes or no. And Tool haters stay away from this poll there are many of you on this site!
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:55
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There is a fine line between heavy music and metal, and I think Tool cross over into metal. Constant Drop D playing, heavy on the distortion, and dont tend to do standard rock things, like pick up the acoustics.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:57
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Given your examples I think you're confusing Post Metal with Prog Metal.
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Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 18:09
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I think they could be under either catagory. Post metal seems to fit them more...but then again Heavy Prog seems like a good fit for them...
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 18:12
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I have to admit, I've always thought of them as Ambient Metal...
...for my money, bands like Rush, Tiles, Everon, Poverty's No Crime & Enchant would be typical 'Heavy Prog'
...but as most people on this forum will tell you, I've never been very good at categorisation....  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 21:19
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Heavy prog... mmm maybe, would the old genre Art rock still be around I would prefer to see them there, for I think they aren´t really metal... they are a toolish type of band...jejeje ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:02
| never really noticed tool haters as much as I notice tool fanboys on to the topic Tool fall in between sub genres I think and could go either way |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:11
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fandango is right in his assessment of the HeavyProg genre, and Equality is right to point out your examples of Isis and Pelican are the very reason those bands are in Experimental/Post Metal ..as a long-time headbanger, I believe Tool's roots are, as most ProgMetal artists, clearly in metal (with a hint of Indie in their case), |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:30
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No. Prog Metal, Heavy Prog is nothing like Tool at all.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:37
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I've always thought of Tool as metal, not because they are hardcore, cause they aren't, or because they have killer riffs and solos cause they don't, but I've always thought of metal as a more intelligent form of music. And since they are IMO the most intelligent band and use metal instruments, they fall into some sort of metal category. And since they do progress music, I've always put them in some sort of progressive metal category.
What progressive category is beyond me. Tool metal, perhaps. (Hey, we have Zeuhl which is basically Magma type music  )-------------  |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:22
| Heavy indeed, but no sir are they Heavy Prog. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:21
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As was pointed out, there is a pretty clear distinction between heavy prog and prog metal. Tool is no heavy prog band by any stretch of the imagination. ------------- 
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:26
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HughesJB4 wrote:Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:28
than what? ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:49
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Doesn't fit in heavy prog, but they're definitely not metal either.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:51
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 04:04
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when i listen to Tool, i hear a mix of Led Zeppelin and KC.. what does that make them?  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 17:57
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Metal, no question. and the Experimental/Post Metal genre has more than just Post Metal in it, as witnesed by Dark Suns, Green Carnation, In the Woods, Indukti, Tool, Kayo Dot, maudlin of the Well, Orphaned Land etc.... None of which have much conection to the Post Metal bands like Isis, Pelican, Cult of Luna etc.... ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:04
I used to think Tool would fit better in Heavy Prog as well...until I realized this. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:12
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I guess I did explain myself well enough! -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 19:57
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"Everyone thought we were a hard metal band," Adam Jones recalled to Chuck Crisfulli in Guitar Player, "but our tastes run through Joni Mitchell, King Crimson, Depeche Mode, and country {music}. We're not a metal band, rock band, or a country band. We're Tool."
...so that settles it - new subgenre needed : Teuhl
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 20:54
^ Dean, your post is made of win. 
Most music except for Jazz and Classical. I tend think of it as the most intelligent musical genre where a musical education isn't all that necessary. Not that I like the musically stupid metal bands. ------------- |
Posted By: alanerc
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:27
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They're heavy, but not to be in heavy prog they're more... toolish  |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 03:01
Isis and Pelican are Post Metal bands ... that's only one half of this combined category. The other half is Experimental Metal, and IMO that's a good description of Lateralus. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 14:52
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Tool is becoming a little to mainstream for me you know they kinda seem like they're going to be the next disturbed you know they have some good songs but those get played way to much on crappy radio channels. And there music is becoming almost poppy
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 18:56
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^There's nothing "poppy" about 10 000 Days.
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 18:58
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Hey Hawkcwg i wouldn't call a 7 minute song poppy. And also Wings pt 1 and 2 from 10,000 days far from pop.
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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:00
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I just think they are getting to mainstream. Pretty much if they are played on the mainstream popular radio stations they are poppy and mainstream.
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:06
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So would you call Rush,Pink Floyd,Tull,and Yes pop ? Because there music gets played on mainstream rock radio all the time.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:23
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I'll leave the Crossover Prog door open just incase... ------------- What? |
Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:06
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I would call there overplayed mainstream stuff pop. And Yes was considered pop when they started out. And Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd def. had some poppy stuff. But you know not all pop is bad but most of it like anything by these new boy groups and popular women are usually pretty lame, and The Beatles was also considered pop in some aspects.
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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:07
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I would call there overplayed mainstream stuff pop. And Yes was
considered pop when they started out. And Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd
def. had some poppy stuff. But you know not all pop is bad but most of
it like anything by these new boy groups and popular women are usually
pretty lame, and The Beatles was also considered pop in some aspects.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:08
Haha, we'd have so many subgenres if we did that with all of the bands. It would solve everything though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 02:37
Rock riffs, rock structure, rock emphasis on vocalist. Basically, compare Tool to any real metal band and the glaring differences become glaringly apparent. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |