Kultivator vs. National Health
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Topic: Kultivator vs. National Health
Posted By: Oneiromancer
Subject: Kultivator vs. National Health
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 18:38
I was listening to this obscure Swedish Zeuhl band streaming on PA, when I got the very strange feeling these guys are actually copying National Health. 
The keyboardist sounds like Dave Stewart, the guitarist gets really close to Phil Miller and the drumming is not far from Pip Pyle's. And, what's more, there is a bass riff that sounds just like an excerpt from Elephants. If Dave Stewart knew the band, and had it made a huge success, could he sue them?
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 19:39
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Wow, what timing! This album just arrived for me today. When I listen to it, I'll render an opinion. I wouldn't be too hard on stealing riffs - listen to Phil Miller's playing in "the Collapso" and then listen to "Theme One" off VdGG's Pawn Hearts (the remaster with bonus tracks).  |
Posted By: Oneiromancer
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 21:04
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yeah... it's tough to live with only 12 notes. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 21:12
| To answer your question, though, a similar sounding riff and sort of sounding like National Health wouldn't rise to the level of a copyright violation and a civil suit, though I don't know precisely how the law works in either England or Sweden. The band would have to rip off pretty much an entire song - see George Harrison and "My Sweet Lord". of course, neither band really gained any commercial success of note. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 12:05
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And Patrick, please also note that Van der Graaf Generator didn't write Theme One either. I wouldn't call them a clone band at all though. There's a lot of differences, such as the female vocals (well I know NH had some but they sound different), some slight Zeuhl influences and some other subtle changes too. I also happen to hear In Cahoots (another Phil Miller project), Soft Heap (a Pyle band) and Hatfield and the North (another Miller/Pyle band) in there. However, they're bloody marvellous! -------------   
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 13:36
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James wrote: