Smashing Pumpkins and Jane's Addiction?
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Topic: Smashing Pumpkins and Jane's Addiction?
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Subject: Smashing Pumpkins and Jane's Addiction?
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:27
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Found out to my surprise pumpkins have a lot to do with prog, recently on tour the band has a 30 minute epic called Gossimar that they have been performing, and their albums tend to either have the odd ten minute piece our at least strong prog elements; sophisticated arrangements, melletron, experimentationand symphonic structures that make for shorter songs in the prog vein. Lately many of the audience in their shows have been baffled by the progginess of the band, and in many of their concerts about half of them have left. If no-one here agrees with me, at least the pumpkins drummer Billy Chamberlain has created a band called the billy chamberlain complex and released one album -a jazz fusion album. Also Corgans single album band Zwan, has a 15 minute plus epic on it. If the Smashing Pumpkins were not prog in the 90s, they certainly are now. Secondly Janes Addiction believe it or not, were rooted in prog not punk they have a clocking at around 10 minutes symphonic structured songs on their album reminiscent of yes. I think both Pumkins and Addiction would fit nicely in Crossover prog. Billy Chamberlainds complex in fusion, and Zwan in Crossover. Prog did not die, they just started calling it alternative/punk. By the way Corgan doesn't like punk, and is an ardent rush fan, also likes ELP, Uriah Heep, Church and all manner of classic rock bands. Jimmy Chamberlain, likes neil peart's, bill bruford's and phil collin's drumming ------------- |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:55
interesting.... if not for the name of the band... those are some good solid prog credentials.. good enough at least to get a unknown band in.  Nothing endears the prog junta here like sending the pop loving teenies running for the exits...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 20:11
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They were thinking for a while there of creating a 40/45 minute instrumental song, but chankged their minds, and in their concerts they constantly cover songs by such bands as Rush, Uriah Heep, and Billy is known to burst out the line"...welcome back my friends to the show that never ends!" This guy is one of us. Ithink the pumpkins embody both sides of prog rock, the retro symph style coupled with modern innovation and experimentation. ------------- |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 01:41
| Smashing Pumpkins for Crossover Prog. What a great idea Cheesecakemouse. I´m sure this will not fare well among some members on PA, but it would be a definite yes from me. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 02:30
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Even I am surprised of my non-total opposition to this suggestion... Actually, it would have my support, on the Smashing Pumpkins side of things. I haven't heard almost any Jane's Addiction to give any opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 03:30
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Interesting!Another stuff I will have to look for.Is it available on youtube? ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 08:47
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interesting responses to an interesting suggestion... won't promise anything... but a fair eval hahah...I'll take it to the Xover team. It will take all 3 team members accepting, due to being 'controversial' to some. Personally I haven't heard much of their stuff, but I'll check them out and if the music fits.. they'll get my vote.. if not.. they won't hahah. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 19:27
yep, and they don't care about bootlegs or downloads, check out Gossimar (or is it spelt gossimer?) on youtube thats their 30 something minute epic that they've been performing on the road that has been scaring off fans. I think their albums Machina 1&2 (part 2 is free online), melon cholylie and Zeitgeist are pretty proggy. Go to their official website, loads of free . Billy Corgan is the santa claus of music downloads. ------------- |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 12:58
| Well, I guess I should have listened to them when I was a teenager. As I only know the singles, I thought the Smashing Pumpkins and Jane's Addiction were rather, let's say, "arty alternative rock". |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 13:11
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Why should be add Jane's Addiction? "Just because! Just becaa-aaaaa-aaa-aaaaaaause!!"  |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 13:29
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I recognized the prog element in Jane's Addiction when Ritual de lo Habitual came out - Three Days and Then She Did are nothing, if not prog epics. Kettle and Ted Just Admit It are pretty proggy as well. I just think that at that time, in the late 80's, early 90's, the new prog scene was more focused on retro prog, so it was missed - but these days more prog fans expect new prog to sound new - I bet if Ritual were released today, it would easily qualify as a prog release... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:35
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very interesting suggestions............both great contributors and talents that would be controversial for sure and on musical merits alone certainly should not go unnoticed. I always thought Perry Farrell would be a good replacement if Robert plant pulled out of a LZ reunion... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: December 01 2008 at 09:31
------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 18:38
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just an update.... Smashing Pumpkins are being looked at and eval'd for addition... there isn't much feeling for Jane's Addiction though. In fact.. if it would have come to a vote.. it would have been rejected. For my vote alone at the very least and it would have taken all three of us anyway. Michael.. if you feel strongly about Jane's Addiction... tell us why you think so. I think you made a great case for SP.. in fact I was really skeptical about it when I first saw the thread..until I read your posts. Anyway... give us some time on evaling the Smashing Pumpkins... and I'll be checking in here to read your thoughts on Jane's Addiction. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 15:11
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yeah, well I'll organize my thoughts about what to post about Jane's Addiction...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 17:46
cool... looking forward to it 
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Bagong
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 09:43
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Yes yes yes!!! Smashing Pumpkins should definitely be in PA. I was a big fan of them back in the 90's. When i discovered prog around 2003, i stopped listening to them. These past few days i've been dusting off all my SP cd and realized that with all the tempo shifts, mood changes, experimentations, and the loose concept apparent on most of their albums, how can they not be prog?
Sp definitely gets my vote. Just put them in already.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 13:16
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I think i am more familiar with Jane's Addiction than Smashing Pumpkins, so about Jane's i consider their album Ritual de lo Habitual one of the best american albums that came out in the 90s i adore it, and the song Three Days is absolutely prog. However despite having a couple more of proggy tunes, i don't think they would have a place in this site, honestly i would not call them even prog related just for two or three songs.
About Pumpkins, the material i know from them has nothing to do with prog in my opinion, but i am not expert. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:50
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OH MY GOD... OH MY GOD!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:58
 Are you OK Mandy?------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 13:06
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Perhaps Mandy experienced an epiphany... twice.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 13:40
Sure Mandy experienced an Epiphone and was impaling...
  !!!Yet justice must be...!!!
And as far as I know... Smashing are a good band and also a Prog band! -------------
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