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Could Billy Cobham play with Frank Zappa?

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Topic: Could Billy Cobham play with Frank Zappa?
Posted By: hawkcwg
Subject: Could Billy Cobham play with Frank Zappa?
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 08:02
I wonder why they never played together. Maybe because Billy was playing with Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Who made more complicated music (far out there music), Mahavishnu Orchestra or Frank Zappa?


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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:08
I'd say Franks music was more complicated but less inspired. 

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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:10
They definitely could have played together. It would have been interesting.

Both Zappa's and Maha's music were quite complicated, but I think overall Frank's wins over nearly ALL other music in terms of sheer complexity, whether it be subtle or right in the foreground.


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:50
I`ve read a few interviews with Zappa where he says that anyone who can`t appreciate The Mahavishnu Orchestra has to be some kind of an idiot. Zappa always had a lot of praise for McLaughlin in particular. I`d have to half agree with Vadez`s point. Frank`s music was just as complicated but less inspired. I don`t know how McLaughlin would have felt about Frank`s "out there" lyrics and vocals.

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Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:53
Only slightly OT: Zappa's old drummers talk about the Mahavishnu/Zappa tour among other things.

http://www.drumchannel.com/entertainment/3016.aspx


Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 11:33
For me no problem.I also imagined a great jam session with Frank Zappa and his bandmembers,John Mc Laughlin,Billy Cobham and Christian Vander on drums:something special isn't it?

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Posted By: mpomy
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:30
I recently found this http://mpomy.com/Music/ponty.pdf - interview with Jean-luc Ponty and he says Zappa was more challenging to play, not that it's a contest.  I have no doubt that Cobham could have played in any (or at least most) of Zappa's bands.  

Did any Zappa collaborators ever play with Miles Davis, as Cobham did?  




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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:37
Hmm who was the Zappa drummer who played for Weather Report? I know a few fair members from WR were in Miles bands.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:49
Wouldn't he have to dig him up? Tongue

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:57
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Wouldn't he have to dig him up? Tongue


I restrained myself from doing a joke like this, but, now, I'm not ashamed anymore: Zombie Zappa jamming with Cobham! One night in Hell!


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 13:04
Originally posted by CPicard

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Wouldn't he have to dig him up? Tongue


I restrained myself from doing a joke like this, but, now, I'm not ashamed anymore: Zombie Zappa jamming with Cobham! One night in Hell!

Just goes to show the tense of the topic matters.


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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:48
Originally posted by mrcozdude

Hmm who was the Zappa drummer who played for Weather Report? I know a few fair members from WR were in Miles bands.


Your talking about Chester Thompson


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Posted By: mpomy
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 16:40
Chester, my brother!  (not a Miles alum, but an exceptional drummer!)

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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 06:56
Zappa has had great drummers - Terry Bozzio being one of my all-time favorites.  Cobham could have played with Zappa, but not to the level of Bozzio....

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:03
If Aynsley Dunbar could, Cobham would have no problem.

And the assertion that Zappa's music was somehow less inspired than MO is complete conjecture. One might have a less inspired feeling from listening, but that is relating to the listener, not the composer.

A more accurate and tangible statement would be that McLaughlin's writing was more spiritually inspired than Zappa's, but Zappa's was more sociopolitically inspired.


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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:05
True!I really dig Mahavishnu Orchestra but Apocalypse and Inner Worlds are loss of time.Fortunately Mc Laughlin rapidly got rid of Guru Sri Chinmoy.

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I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world
of searchers with the help from
crimson king


Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:03
Ahhh... two of my heros. I'm certain that the guy who played with Miles Davis and John McLaughlin would have been amazing in a Zappa band. It may be they never worked together simply because after leaving Mahavishnu, Cobham was too busy becoming a composer and band leader in his own right. 

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:07
Ex Zappa alumini does a Cobham:

http://www.carvinchannel.com/play.php?vid=89 - http://www.carvinch annel.com/ play.php? vid=89




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Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:33

^ Thank you Dick Heath, that was amazing. Great to see those guys play Cobham, especially Virgil! That solo was stunning.



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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:40
Wow ! 17 minute version of Stratus. Nonstop freaking. That other guitarist phew! Is that the guy from Planet X?

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Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:50

^Yeah, that's Tony Macalpine from Planet X (and Vai's band, and CAB). The drummer, Virgil Donati, is also from Planet X.



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