hip hop
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Topic: hip hop
Posted By: mwb498
Subject: hip hop
Date Posted: May 01 2005 at 21:48
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After you post your choice (if you should be so inclined), please check out prefuse 73. I believe that he is taking hip hop to a similar level as progressive rock. ------------- the moment of defecation is worth a thousand flatulations |
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Posted By: Pale Fire
Date Posted: May 01 2005 at 21:54
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Needs more intelligence, Prefuse is a good example. Another good
example (IMO) is The Roots, they play all their own instruments, which
is big time respect for me, and who could forget the latest release
from OutKast. Andre 3000 is about as musically savvy as anyone out
there. Additionally, they just have a more intelligent sound than more
popular hip-hoppery such as 50 cent and Eminem (even though he is funny
as hell, and tends to be more emotionally involved with his music) edit: as much as I don't want to say anything....I think the poll question is a bit unfair. I think it is already a legitimate art form, whether or not you enjoy listening to hip-hop seems to be another story. ------------- [IMG]http://eonbluepatient.com/images/fire.png"> |
Posted By: mwb498
Date Posted: May 01 2005 at 22:08
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I can see your point and I definately agree with you regarding the present legitimacy of hip-hop. My intention was actually to bias the question in favor of hip-hop without completely underrating an opposing opinion. ------------- the moment of defecation is worth a thousand flatulations |
Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 01:18
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hip-hop... progressive rock? I can't blend these two thoughts into one. And at the moment a lot of thoughts can be blended into one. |
mwb498 wrote:Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 08:05
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A definite yes from me, although the examples which cross over into the mainstream are rarely of any great value. The problem is that the music industry promotes the guns in the ghetto culture, which sells in huge quantities to white middle class teenagers (not exclusively of course), although by and large they're not the ones who wind up shot or in prison. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 08:12
Hear, hear. You could almost say Andre 3000 is the Frank Zappa of hip-hop. The Roots are ok too. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 08:12
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Hip Hop is an art form. Why wouldnt it be?  The best of any musical genre is art,the problem is that most of it is just scribbles..  ------------- 
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Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 14:20
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Anyone who honestly thinks that hip hop has no potential to become art obviously hasnt heard any hip hop besides 50 cent and lloyd banks.. there's more to the genre than whats played on MTV!! My vote is yes of course, theres many great rappers who are progressing the genre and are undoubtedly making art. A tribe called quest, KMD, Madvillian, mf doom, people under the stairs, prefuse 73 are all great examples of art in hip hop. BEST BELEE DAT, BOIIIII ------------- 
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:36
thump,thump,thump,thump that's it basically ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:45
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Well French rap such as MC Solaar , Manau have intelligent texts , not aggressive music (sometimes actually very good) and are definitely an artistic form of expression! I think that Eminem would have better consideration had he non-mysoginic texts, because from what I heard (not much I must agree) it does not sound half-bad! I actually loved Run DMC/Aerosmith collasboration back in the mid-80's. NWA (Niggers With Attitude - hated that names since that attitude is half their problems) had political reasons but on the artistic side.... The offshoots from them are better! I also rememcer Ice Cube being intelligent in his movie roles in Ken Singleton's movie (Boyz'n The Hood and so) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 05:26
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No offence mwb, but this is a non starter as a discussion. All music is art. Just because most of us have no time for hip hop does not invalidate it as art. Millions of people love it, are moved by it and are insprired by it. There will always be an enormous market for music that 'speaks' to people about issues that actually affect them and their communities. It could, therefore, be argued that hip hop is a form of folk music, and I'm sure there are quite a few folk around here who would defend folk music as an art form. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:12
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"Yes, music does not gain or lose value based on genre." Check out Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, K-Os. There is some really good rap out there, just have an open mind. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:05
| I am the only teenager (besides maybe Reed Lover and Sweetnighter) that listens to prog. I mean, every kid discovers DSOTM and the Wall in their time; but I am talking about the more esoteric "core" of prog like Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Marillion, and Rush. All the teens I have met face-to-face only like rap. I find rap repetitive (talking about drugs, gangland happenings, welfare, lashing out at Prez Bush, and other democratic soapbox issues) and always dwelling on one particular melody in a song. It is so annoying with the glittery backbeats and keyboard noises. |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:56
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God knows I've tried. I spent most of the 90s trying to be hip to hop but in the end I just gave up. Occasionally I hear a song I like (the comments about Outkast were about right - bu then I'm a major Prince fan so Andre 3000's fixation with the Purple one get my vote anyway) but that's about it - the occasional song. I'm just not interested enough in the music to go there. Most of it just annoys the hell out of me. I'm old and old fashioned i'm afraid... |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:49
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Man there is a LOT of teenagers or "young adults" |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:31
seventeen My only friend who listens to a bit of prog also listens to hip hop, but hardly anyone else I do listens to either. Well I got my jazz liking friend to listen to King Crimson and a couple of my friends who I was at school with listen to some prog metal but that's basically it. |
Posted By: mwb498
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 23:05
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Well, just for the record, I love really good hip hop for one of the same reasons that I love really good country...that reason being in the fact that I had previously completely discredited it due to what I was being exposed to in pop culture. Then I ran into that genre at some point, but it was being utilized by someone who actually had "musical" and "artistic" talent, and it was a completely new and different and fresh world and I was feeling what I assumed to be many of the same raw and abstract emotions that all of the ignorant fukkers who listened to the mainstream sh*tt were feeling. Maybe I'm wrong there. Maybe those people are actually just moronic automatons. ------------- the moment of defecation is worth a thousand flatulations |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 11 2005 at 09:40
Flip Flop ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 00:49
hip hop? music?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 10:21
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Hip-hop? Hell no! If you mean 50 cent and those ksuckers with their money, their cars and their girls, they are absolutely no musical there. No art. No music. Only a way to make money. Rap? Maybe... Rap means Rhytmes And Poetry, and every poetry is a kind of art. The problem is that it almost doesn't exist anymore. I do not like it though, but it seem to be that it is a art form.
------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 10:31
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Rap used to be legit muisc, but not anymore. But why do I care? I don't even like rap. |
Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 11:07
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I voted no ------------- [IMG]http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sacred-Travel/Machu-Picchu-350.jpg"> [IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/panchopc1/machupicchu-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 15:46
| Voted yes. There used to be in the '80's some very creative hip hop, like Dream Warriors, De La Soul and Public Enemy. After the '80's no doubt there is still a lot of good stuff, but I didn't check that out anymore. To busy with other genres. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 13 2005 at 15:32
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Check out: DJ Shadow Beam Gorillaz ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: ShaunoNoNo
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 05:27
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I'm indifferent when it comes to rap/hip-hop. As I've never tried listening to anything besides the commercial, MTV rap, I'm not educated enough on the subject to make a truly informed opinion although, I'm quite certain there is potential behind the genre. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 07:30
I've got an artificial 'hip-hop' in my left leg as a result of arthritis...does that count? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 13:40
Its an art form, just not a very good one ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 14:34
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Hip Hop Rap etc Worst music ever! Can't stand it!!! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 15:02
Ah cummon! Even rap isn't my kind of music (by the way there's a difference between hip hop and rap) it has a right to exist. I guess the stuff you hear on TV is different to the more unknown stuff. I really don't like rap, but you have to give it a chance, though it is not that thought over as prog. HAIL TO POWER AND TO GLORY'S WAY...! |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: January 26 2006 at 07:33
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1. House Of Pain 2. Cypress Hill 3. Wu Tang Clan The old school of hip hop bands create great albums - but it's a matter of taste |