Is Frank Zappa prog?
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Topic: Is Frank Zappa prog?
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Subject: Is Frank Zappa prog?
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 21:56
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2 - Some sort of outrageous debate has began in this thread. So if we must have this conversation, at least have it here so progbaby can keep talking about...whatever it is he's talking about.
But whatever he is, I think we can all agree he is astoundingly perfect. :P
Also, Zappa for Eclectic '09! The spirit lives on!
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:00
Ah found it! I went with yes of course but the fourth option was a close second.Not so sure about eclectic but I'd be interested to hear others views.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:01
First vote for FZ is a progressive rock musician. If you want details, I'll be glad to elaborate.
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:04
If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is?
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Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:09
Outrageous indeed. Of course he's prog WTF.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:14
In my conception of prog, as a limited symphonic/neo/perhaps Canterbury sense, not at all.But he's progressive, and that we still can't get past that hump in knowledge hurts my brain.
space/rock and psychedelic =/= prog music jazz/fusion is often =/= prog music progressive electronic =/= prog music
etc...
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:48
jammun wrote:
First vote for FZ is a progressive rock musician. If you want details, I'll be glad to elaborate.
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Agreed.
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Posted By: Scoppioingola
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:50
"If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is?"
This. Seriously.
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:54
Absolutely. He barely lost his progressive edge when the "giants" were playing synthy pop tunes. His brain has been one of the most progressive, forward-thinking, creative, and unique musical assets of American history to date.
And I don't know about Eclectic, because the folks who run that thing get tetchy when you suggest any artist for inclusion (kidding), but I think he would make a much better fit in Jazz Rock/Fusion than in avant-prog. The avant sound pops up in his early stuff and some of his way later stuff, but the jazz elements are consistently strong from Hot Rats through to the very end, even a bit in the pre-Hot Rats albums. He has lots of different elements to his music, but jazz has always seemed to be the important one, the basis for his sound and style. (And avant-garde and free music are, in fact, often facets of jazz, too).
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:58
He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 01:09
^ agreed. The question is too vague IMO ... it's a nice poll, but in the end it will turn out with "he's prog" winning and most of the people still posting things like "yes, but ...".
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 02:22
yes. he was already prog by 1966
i also find his music very prog. he fits teh description of a prog musician
he just didnt take himself and his music too seriously
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 02:43
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist.
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From start to finish, Frank Zappa was progressive in every possible sense of the word. His early albums with the Mothers were a revolutionary mix of parodic pop and avant-garde. 1970s albums like ONE SIZE FITS ALL were first-rate symphonic prog. Zappa also recorded some of the liveliest "fusion" albums in existence. Later on in his career, his tendency to release triple albums full of guitar solos, and synclavier versions of Italian baroque concertos, was as proggy as anything Rick Wakeman or ELP ever did. And he left us with a bang: CIVILIZATION PART III is a dark, menacing and visionary concept album - the kind of music that will go down in history for being on a the same level as the music of Messiaen or Toru Takemitsu.
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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 05:12
PROG IS NOT A GENRE
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 05:24
Had to go option 4. I am sick of even my own metal poll.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 06:08
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 06:34
Prog! HUH! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! 
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Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 07:27
No. Metallica is prog. .
Frank is the "God" of prog. Any Questions. 
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Posted By: Ultime
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 10:00
Frank Zappa was an artist ! (and still is in our hearts) - among what he iss, he's a guitarist, a cpmposer, a philisopher, a world citizen... shortly, we can't reduce Zappa as only a progger but he is certainly a real progger among all other things he is !
I will always remember you, uncle Frank !! 
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Posted By: bassface
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 10:53
How do you spell progressive rock? Frank Zappa...that's how. I grew up in Canada, in the 60's listening to all of the invasions taking place in music. Sure I loved The Beatles and The Rolling Stones and all the others, but it was always the B sides that interested me. I found early on in my life that music was not only nice to hear but that it had a message in the words as well as the instruments played and the notes. I was easily hypnotized by music, entranced and transported so after a while the 3 minute AM radio standards no longer had enough meat to grab hold of. Hence my love for B sides and albums with long songs. Exploration took me to many places all starting at a store on Yonge Street in Toronto called Sam The Record Man. I searched through each and every stack and pile both front and center as well as those hidden and forgotten upstairs and in the basement. I can home with albums that I feel in love with. At first my friends thought I was nuts, or the acid was too strong and I'd taken to many hits. One such album that changed my life was the 1966 album Freak Out! In 1967 the entire hippy and experimental scene was at full speed and this album to me seemed to counter both sides, the establishment and the dreamy hippies. With Who are the Brain Police, Zowie Wowie, and Trouble Every Day, the album was 60 minutes of Progressive Rock I'd say...then came the album Absolutely Free which I'm sure would have given any parent an instant heart attack....The Duke of Prunes, Big Legged Emma, Brown Shoes don't make it....Frank in my eyes and ears was always at least 10-20 years ahead of everyone else, to progress is to be ahead or to move ahead of the rest, Frank certainly did that. He was and always will be a true musical genius and a founding father of Progressive Rock putting out a new album at least once every 6 months for 20 years, pretty amazing. I was lucky enough to have seen Frank in concert in Toronto and to this day I would like to see any artist interact with the band, the audience the way he did. We left awestruck and speechless.
I love Frank and miss him dearly. His musical theatrics mixing classical with jazz, rock, r&b and with something I don't think there is a name for...his emotional attachment to each piece, each riff and song can't be missed. He still fills every day with a progressive alternative to what the general public listen to.
His colaboration with Captain Beefheart, Don Van Vliet are also incredible and are no doubt progressive as well.
From those early days I listened with an open ear and mind into the 70's to further discover the likes of Can, Gong, Man, Amon Duuhl...
thank you Frank...
God Bless
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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:04
Just waiting for the next one.. Does Steve Howe play guitar? Does Jon Anderson write nonsense lyrics?
Is Prog.. Prog?
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:30
I don't understand this kind of topics... Is Pink Floyd prog? Is Rush prog? Is Genesis PC era prog? Now it seems there are doubts about Zappa being prog too. wtf? aren't those the bands that actually defined what prog is? OK, they may have done some not so prog music in a couple of albums, but that doesn't mean they're not prog.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:59
I think you can make the case that he is the father of prog through the avant-gardeness of early albums, unless you don't think Avant is a legitimate prog sub-genre.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:06
Sorry - 3rd option as I NEVER did get it.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:23
fuxi wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist.
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From start to finish, Frank Zappa was progressive in every possible sense of the word. His early albums with the Mothers were a revolutionary mix of parodic pop and avant-garde. 1970s albums like ONE SIZE FITS ALL were first-rate symphonic prog. Zappa also recorded some of the liveliest "fusion" albums in existence. Later on in his career, his tendency to release triple albums full of guitar solos, and synclavier versions of Italian baroque concertos, was as proggy as anything Rick Wakeman or ELP ever did. And he left us with a bang: CIVILIZATION PART III is a dark, menacing and visionary concept album - the kind of music that will go down in history for being on a the same level as the music of Messiaen or Toru Takemitsu. |
The only point you made toward him being a prog artist was regarding his first rate symphonic prog albums. Everything else you said only relates to him being progressive. I disagree with the existence of any symphonic prog albums in his discography.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:25
Well let's see - he recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all of his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive guitarist whose solos were almost always improvised, made jazz fausion albums, made orchestral albums, made concept albums, was always keen to embrace new musical technology and frequently released his albums in very detailed gatefold sleeves.
Aside from that he wasn't very prog at all.
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Posted By: Ultime
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:30
Aside from that, he was a father and an husband !
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:41
Syzygy wrote:
Well let's see - he recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all of his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive guitarist whose solos were almost always improvised, made jazz fausion albums, made orchestral albums, made concept albums, was always keen to embrace new musical technology and frequently released his albums in very detailed gatefold sleeves.
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Milton Babbitt recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive composer, pioneered serialism, made orchestral albums, keen to embrace and develop new musical technology, and frequently combined elaborate visual elements with his music.
Yet Milton Babbitt isn't even close to being prog.
Seriously why is the reaction here one of disdain when somebody says Frank Zappa isn't prog. You do realize that not being a prog artist is not an insult and an invalidation of their work?
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Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:58
As long as the term "progressive rock" (whatever this is supposed to be) is not defined, I will refuse categorizing him as "prog". But for his impact on pop, rock and jazz music he can definetly be called a progressive artist - or at least he was. Shame on me for being such a wise guy.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:58
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Well let's see - he recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all of his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive guitarist whose solos were almost always improvised, made jazz fausion albums, made orchestral albums, made concept albums, was always keen to embrace new musical technology and frequently released his albums in very detailed gatefold sleeves.
Aside from that he wasn't very prog at all. |
Milton Babbitt recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive composer, pioneered serialism, made orchestral albums, keen to embrace and develop new musical technology, and frequently combined elaborate visual elements with his music.
Yet Milton Babbitt isn't even close to being prog.
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None of which he did within a rock context. As opposed to Zappa. Sure, you have to stretch 'rock context' quite a bit to accommodate Zappa - but you'll never be able to stretch it enough to accommodate Babbitt.
Babbitt rocks though.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:11
Of course Zappa is prog.
I just don't like his music much.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:12
He made rock music with strong jazz and classical influences, that was incredibly complex, surreal and innovative, rarely did songs in 4/4, hired only the most gifted clasically trained musicians and specialized in long solos and improvisations.
Seriously what makes him NOT prog? Not being British?
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:27
Went with number 4. I'm definitely sick of them.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:31
IMO, this is progressive music (but not all progressive music):
- ../subgenre.asp?style=12 - Canterbury Scene
- ../subgenre.asp?style=3 - Crossover Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=42 - Eclectic Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=44 - Experimental/Post Metal
- ../subgenre.asp?style=41 - Heavy Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=35 - Indo-Prog/Raga Rock
- ../subgenre.asp?style=30 - Jazz Rock/Fusion
- ../subgenre.asp?style=17 - Krautrock
- ../subgenre.asp?style=18 - Neo-Progressive
- ../subgenre.asp?style=32 - Post Rock/Math Rock
- ../subgenre.asp?style=6 - Prog Folk
- ../subgenre.asp?style=33 - Progressive Electronic
- ../subgenre.asp?style=19 - Progressive Metal
- ../subgenre.asp?style=15 - Psychedelic/Space Rock
- ../subgenre.asp?style=36 - RIO/Avant-Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=28 - Rock Progressivo Italiano
- ../subgenre.asp?style=4 - Symphonic Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=43 - Tech/Extreme Prog Metal
- ../subgenre.asp?style=11 - Zeuhl
- ../subgenre.asp?style=29 - Various Genres/Artists
- ../subgenre.asp?style=38 - - Proto-Prog
This is progressive rock:
../subgenre.asp?style=18 - Neo-Progressive ../subgenre.asp?style=4 - Symphonic Prog
and maybe (depending a lot on the nature of the music of the artists therein):
- ../subgenre.asp?style=12 - Canterbury Scene
- ../subgenre.asp?style=42 - Eclectic Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=41 - Heavy Prog
- ../subgenre.asp?style=11 - Zeuhl
And since bands have been moved around a lot since I leanered first where they were (years ago), they might be in different places. For instance, I think KC are in eclectic prog now...
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:31
Yes, he is Prog, and yes, the metal album polls are beginning to try my patience.
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:33
darkshade wrote:
yes. he was already prog by 1966
i also find his music very prog. he fits teh description of a prog musician
he just didnt take himself and his music too seriously
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Hey! He was a serious musician, and I think you can easily hear that never mind the comedy. He was a true artist and frankly (no pun intended) the greatest composer of progressive rock ever IMO.
And keep him in Avant-Prog, it's always there in some form and isn't that the point?
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:35
Anderson III wrote:
darkshade wrote:
yes. he was already prog by 1966
i also find his music very prog. he fits teh description of a prog musician
he just didnt take himself and his music too seriously
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Hey! He was a serious musician, and I think you can easily hear that never mind the comedy. He was a true artist and frankly (no pun intended) the greatest composer of progressive rock ever IMO.
And keep him in Avant-Prog, it's always there in some form and isn't that the point?
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I agree. Nonsensical lyrics don't amount to lack of dedication or resopect for the music in the least.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:42
Oh, wait, on second thought he isn't prog at all, what the hell was I thinking about?  Well, maybe this was just a rhetorical question, which can often be really lame on this site...
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:56
Visitor13 wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Well let's see - he recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all of his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive guitarist whose solos were almost always improvised, made jazz fausion albums, made orchestral albums, made concept albums, was always keen to embrace new musical technology and frequently released his albums in very detailed gatefold sleeves.
Aside from that he wasn't very prog at all. |
Milton Babbitt recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive composer, pioneered serialism, made orchestral albums, keen to embrace and develop new musical technology, and frequently combined elaborate visual elements with his music.
Yet Milton Babbitt isn't even close to being prog.
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None of which he did within a rock context. As opposed to Zappa. Sure, you have to stretch 'rock context' quite a bit to accommodate Zappa - but you'll never be able to stretch it enough to accommodate Babbitt.
Babbitt rocks though.
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Solid point, but is there no difference between an inventive artist who dabbles in rock and a prog artist.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:20
Is Jazz Fusion, Prog? Is Avant, Prog?
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:33
Is prog er... prog?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:49
cacho wrote:
Is Jazz Fusion, Prog? Is Avant, Prog?
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Prog isn't prog, why am I here, what was the middle part, what the hell were we talking about? 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:51
cacho wrote:
Is Jazz Fusion, Prog? Is Avant, Prog?
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I'd say no to the former and sometimes for the latter.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 15:53
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
cacho wrote:
Is Jazz Fusion, Prog? Is Avant, Prog?
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I'd say no to the former and sometimes for the latter.
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And how about a mix of both, making a completely unique style of music, never made before nor after, plus some humour to make it even more unique.
Really, if you don't consider the entire Roxy & Elsewhere Prog, I really don't know what Prog is....
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 16:03
Uhhh, Mike Scheller says his life is a mess Fritz Rau says asparagus Should only be consumed By people with a large amount In an unmarked bank account, fa fa fa fa fa fa
Shall we take ourselves seriously? Shall we talk about it all night long? Shall we think we are so evolved? Will we be depressed If we're wrong?
Shall we take ourselves seriously? Shall we take ourselves elsewhere? Shall we drink while we squat there In the middle of this stupid song?
Shall we never go out there? Shall we take us where we don't belong When we notice the Spargel is gone? Shall we weep in the box office dawn (Go away I'm no good for you)
Are the tickets all counted? Are the costs all accounted for? Shall we bring up the Spargel For discussion at least once more?
Shall we take ourselves seriously? Shall we think we are so mature? Shall we be very wrong At the end of this song? Yes we will ever more
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 16:21
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Well let's see - he recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all of his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive guitarist whose solos were almost always improvised, made jazz fausion albums, made orchestral albums, made concept albums, was always keen to embrace new musical technology and frequently released his albums in very detailed gatefold sleeves.
Aside from that he wasn't very prog at all. |
Milton Babbitt recruited a lot of classically trained musicians, wrote detailed scores for all his music, used unorthodox instrumentation, rarely played in straight 4/4 time, was an endlessly inventive composer, pioneered serialism, made orchestral albums, keen to embrace and develop new musical technology, and frequently combined elaborate visual elements with his music.
Yet Milton Babbitt isn't even close to being prog.
Seriously why is the reaction here one of disdain when somebody says Frank Zappa isn't prog. You do realize that not being a prog artist is not an insult and an invalidation of their work?
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Likewise Sun Ra (apart from pioneering serialism, obviously). Herman Sonny Blount was a jazz musician, though, as opposed to Zappa, most of whose work was in the field of rock music.
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Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:11
No, Zappa is .... Zappa, meaning that he's in a category of his own!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:22
Rune2000 wrote:
No, Zappa is .... Zappa, meaning that he's in a category of his own!
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In all honesty, that's about the only acceptable answer in this thread.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:23
stonebeard wrote:
Rune2000 wrote:
No, Zappa is .... Zappa, meaning that he's in a category of his own!
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In all honesty, that's about the only acceptable answer in this thread.
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100% Correct
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:33
Frippertron wrote:
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:50
p0mt3 wrote:
Yes, he is Prog, and yes, the metal album polls are beginning to try my patience.
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Ignore them then. 
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 17:52
cacho wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Rune2000 wrote:
No, Zappa is .... Zappa, meaning that he's in a category of his own!
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In all honesty, that's about the only acceptable answer in this thread.
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100% Correct
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This.
But to answer the question, he's fine in Avant-Prog. Not sure why people keep bringing this topic up...
Actually, I do know, but it would be best to keep my mouth shut about that. 
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 18:02
For the people who are saying this thread is dumb etc please read how this thread came about here.Therefore it will make sense why this exists and will avoid Henry being flamed lol
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2
Anyway I've said my point and I'm very happy with the results.
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Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 19:30
The endless metal album polls annoy me
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 19:36
forget if Zappa is really prog-- is he really dead, that's the question.. AM I RIGHT?!
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 21:16
Atavachron wrote:
forget if Zappa is really prog-- is he really dead, that's the question.. AM I RIGHT?!
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Absolutely. 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 22:32
I think Meat Loaf is progressive.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 23:12
1. Zappa isn't just prog, he is the ONLY prog.
2. Metal album polls are awesome.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 23:13
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
forget if Zappa is really prog-- is he really dead, that's the question.. AM I RIGHT?!
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Absolutely. 
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Zappa conspiracy theories ftl
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 11:11
Frank Zappa is Serg Tankian
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 12:42
darkshade wrote:
Frank Zappa is Serg Tankian
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No, that would be the singer from Disillusion.
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 15:20
stonebeard wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Frank Zappa is Serg Tankian
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No, that would be the singer from Disillusion.
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 17:51
Maybe we should look at it this way: if Zappa was categorically considered prog back in the 70s, then the standards for creativity, musicianship, and versatility would be high enough that pop-prog acts like Genesis and Yes would never have made it in...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:03
Zappa was so prog, he made Lather, a 4 LP album (8 sides)
how many 70s prog bands made 4 LP albums? if that's not prog enough, idk what is...
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:19
What a Question , and What a Poll ? we don't need this Poll to know if Frank Zappa is considered as Progressive . If the name is Frank Pourcel ( the french artist ) , there's no need to say NO , he's not Progressive , but if the Name Is Frank Zappa , then yu need to be familiar with Apostrophe , Sheikh Yerbouti and Joe's Garage to see the difference between commercial pop music , and Progressive Rock music . And by the Way , Sorry for beeing rude in my answer , but i felt that it's a must be done way to do ///////////////////
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:24
LiquidEternity wrote:
Maybe we should look at it this way: if Zappa was categorically considered prog back in the 70s, then the standards for creativity, musicianship, and versatility would be high enough that pop-prog acts like Genesis and Yes would never have made it in...
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Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 08:29
FZ puts in everything he can whenever he can. I usually speak and write about him in the present tense.
His music was comedy music, just like Jeff Simmons said. But, the jokes were sometimes verbal sometimes musical. Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar is as close to progressive rock as he got, but, since his guitar playing was so bluesy, I am inclined to call them a blues fusion act.
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Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 21:11
eehhh, yes???? (Meaning "yes" in swedish teen-language when said like the question is stupid to begin with or/and to provoce etc.)
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 03:21
mrcozdude wrote:
For the people who are saying this thread is dumb etc please read how this thread came about here.Therefore it will make sense why this exists and will avoid Henry being flamed lol
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2
Anyway I've said my point and I'm very happy with the results.
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I apologise for any inadvertent part I played in the creation of this thread - I guess I should take the blame along with mrcozdude 
Seriously I repeat my original post on the other thread - if FZ ain't progressive I'm a tortilla - and totally agree with the guys who say he deserves a category to himself.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 04:21
When it comes to prog, the biggest thing for me is the actual progression inherent in the music as well as lyrical themes. Frank Zappa... well, The Mothers were pretty avant-garde for their time, but avant-garde doesn't fall under the prog umbrella in my world. But I think that had more to do with the freak scene and making weird music for weird music's sake.
His solo stuff? Not really, at least to me.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 04:27
He was ahead of his time, being the very first person west of the pond to produce prog music (sorry, but in my small world nothing is known about Miles Davis, who is added to the archves recently, but his name ).
I think RIO/Avant-Prog fits him well enough.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 05:35
el dingo wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
For the people who are saying this thread is dumb etc please read how this thread came about here.Therefore it will make sense why this exists and will avoid Henry being flamed lol
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2
Anyway I've said my point and I'm very happy with the results.
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I apologise for any inadvertent part I played in the creation of this thread - I guess I should take the blame along with mrcozdude 
Seriously I repeat my original post on the other thread - if FZ ain't progressive I'm a tortilla - and totally agree with the guys who say he deserves a category to himself. |
We've created a monster!
But I think it's ok Zappa's going nowhere fast from the PA
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 08:44
mrcozdude wrote:
el dingo wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
For the people who are saying this thread is dumb etc please read how this thread came about here.Therefore it will make sense why this exists and will avoid Henry being flamed lol
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57489&PN=2
Anyway I've said my point and I'm very happy with the results.
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I apologise for any inadvertent part I played in the creation of this thread - I guess I should take the blame along with mrcozdude 
Seriously I repeat my original post on the other thread - if FZ ain't progressive I'm a tortilla - and totally agree with the guys who say he deserves a category to himself. |
We've created a monster!
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And we didn't even mean to 
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 09:56
YES EMO guy
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 10:35
We *need* an "Is Frank Zappa power metal?" thread.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 10:39
Did Zappa ever consider himself Prog?
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 10:41
Did anyone ever consider themselves prog ?
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 12:45
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
YES EMO guy |
 I've only got one MCR album 
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Posted By: Faubzzy
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 23:13
If James Brown was the Grandfather of soul, Frank Zappa was, and still is the Grandfather of progressive music. He started all that in 1966 with "Freak Out", and then in 1967 with "Absolutely Free", and then in 1968 with "We're Only In It For The Money"......and on and on and on............................
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 08:33
Faubzzy wrote:
If James Brown was the Grandfather of soul, Frank Zappa was, and still is the Grandfather of progressive music. He started all that in 1966 with "Freak Out", and then in 1967 with "Absolutely Free", and then in 1968 with "We're Only In It For The Money"......and on and on and on............................ |
Definitively put.  Is the bear a Catholic? Does the Pope poo in the woods if he needs too? 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 13:18
yes FZ was the first to make prog rock (not progressive music! Beethoven was and Bach were doing that 200 years ago)
so he is the grandfather of prog rock, whether you want to admit it or not! it's a fact!
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Posted By: PeyoteWereWolf
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 00:25
I voted yes ...he is by far one the greatest progressive musicians of all time .
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 23:05
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 00:26
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
Frank Zappa is not prog
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And grindcore is music 
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 09:57
Frank Zappa IS prog
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:46
Who cares? You either like Frank Zappa or you don't. What label you attach to him is irrelevant and should not make the slightest difference to your opinion of his music. I'm sure Frank would have hated to be pigeon holed in a genre.
These categories that people seem so keen to use to compartmentalise music are illusionary barriers that should be broken down.
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Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:54
Scoppioingola wrote:
"If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is?"
This. Seriously.
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Posted By: Iron Nate
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 02:38
Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 00:31
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is? |
My thoughts exactly.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 01:49
Have you heard One Size Fits All? Yes.
But I will agree that he has a stranger feel, almost like he's blues fusion (I'm aware of the fact that thats a ridiculous statement.)
EDIT: Wow, looking back someone already used the term blues fusion, is that even a real term?
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Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 14:47
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 15:02
peart_lee_lifeson wrote:
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is? |
My thoughts exactly. |
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