Gaskin Stewart surely must be on Prog Archives,
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Topic: Gaskin Stewart surely must be on Prog Archives,
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Subject: Gaskin Stewart surely must be on Prog Archives,
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:37
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I would like to suggest that there is a major omission on Prog Archives (God bless it). Dave Stewart unquestionably played a major role in the expantion of late 60's/70'sProgressive Rock in England (especially to Canterbury Scene). He has been part of Gaskin Stewart for over 25 years now and yet this band has never been included (although Egg, Hatfield and The North, Kahn and National Health are all included in the archive). With the release of the their latest album (18 years in the making) I think is time that 'the powers that be' at PA be encouraged to include them ASAP. There may be a suggestion that this is a Pop band. Well if that is the case it is certainly Pop music for adults. I defy anyone who has heard "New Jerusalem" from the"Big Idea" album to tell me that this not Prog Rock. To me this track is one of the greatest Prog Rock tracks ever written and performed. Everything from the lyrics to the instrumentaion, arrangement, soloing and singing are pure progressive rock music of the highest calibre. Their folow up album has incredible prog. rock versions of "Walking The Dog" (no really! go listen to it...it's incredible) and "Eight Miles High". On both albums Gavin Harrison (Porcupin Tree), Jacko and Andy Reynolds make major contributions. So there it is, "But I need proof" say the people that make the decissions at PA (and that is only fair) so please go listen to http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin and then agree with me that S&G have been left off the Archive for way to long and (please) add them ASAP (like was done with Jakko recently). Thanks |
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:39
| Any sasmples? Any specific sub-genre? |
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:40
| Samples are available at http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskinand the category I would like to see them (at best) in is "Canterbury Scene", but they are "Prog Related" at worst. |
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:46
| Oh go on! Listen to "Shakin' All Over" from their latest CD (at http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin). "Shakin' All Over? this can't be Prog Rock"!!!...Well listen to THEIR version and then tell me what it is. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 18:46
http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin - http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin OK, I'll inform the Canterbury team. By the way, next time, this should be posted in the Suggestion's thread  |
BRIAN STEFFENSEN wrote:Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:09
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I've listened to the MySpace samples & songs. Also gave the Amazon.com samples a listen. Then read the MySpace site and their band site. I would agree with the Gaskin/Stewart description of their music - Pop music for adults (MySpace), and Intelligent pop (band site). Indeed, on Amazon.com , the comparison is made to the group sounding like 80s Eurythmics. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 08:50
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Based on their only song I know (It's my party) my answer would be no !
I appreciate very much Egg, NH and Khan and I adore Gaskin's singing in Spirogyra's album but these are not reasons to include here non prog artists. ------------- omri |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 18:02
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And we don't want to argue with artists who claim they are not prog (right Mr R F)
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 09:24
If R F stands for Robert Fripp than we will not argue. We will just call it in any name he wants . ------------- omri |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 12:52
| I find their latest and The Big Idea reasonably proggy or at least related. At the very least they are good pop for prog fans. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 14:07
| I'm sorry, but Stewart/Gaskin has been rejected for inclusion in either Canterbury or Crossover. The feeling was that while the music was quite good, it was just too much of either a pop or modern alt-rock nature to be included. |
Posted By: Stackridge
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 17:31
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As the person who helped them put their MySpace page together I find it peculiar that artists who are included in other groups are not included when they defined as a mere duo i.e. Dave Stewart & Barbara Gaskin. Their recordings feature a mix of artists also included on PA.. Gavin Harrison provided the drumming, and Peter Blegvad of Slapp Happy co-wrote their epic track Salt**ter Sea from their latest CD Green & Blue.
Perhaps their "crime" has been to have been associated with a hit record and a cover version also. Well It's My Party was number 1 for 4 weeks but that was 28 years ago. They also recorded a version of Little Eva's Locomotion - but so did Emerson, Lake & Powell! I do believe Yes & The Nice recorded wonderful cover versions of America - not the same song - in their formative years. Two of my favourite cover versions in recent years have been the Nightwish recordings of Walking In The Air & Phantom Of The Opera. Hardly prog material but I just like what they do with the songs.
Finally, there are tribute prog bands on PA that in the main perform cover versions. The 9 tracks on Green & Blue only contain 1 cover version and that is Good Morning Good Morning by The Beatles.
At a push I would place D&B in the same category as Camel, Rick Wakeman or Renaissance, which just so happens to be Symphonic Prog. Or perhaps Eclectic Prog which is defined as "the basic features lie within the music's variety, rich influences, art tendencies and classic prog rock elements". Plenty to consider beyond Canterbury or Crossover.
OK I'm biased
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 19:33
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It's weird, I was thinking off the top of my head that they might be a good fit for crossover or prog related. Then I read the current definitions of each again on the site and there seems to be a little contradiction going on between the two... They shouldn't be counted out for their cover tracks. Being well familiar with the original material I still maintain they should be included somewhere. The new one is one of my new additions that wound up with a soaked CD case/booklet in the flood last month.  Hey, at least the disc is fine. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 10:29
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Hello my dear old friend "Stackridge" and hello Slartibartfast
I have been down this path several times. It has become apparant to me that several of the Special Colloberators do not take there job very seriously. You and I know that anyone who listened to "Blue and Green" without any ingrained bias, would OBVIOUSLY describe it as Progressive Rock. It is NOT prog related or crossover prog it IS PROGRESSIVE ROCK. The fact that S&G are not on the PA is a sad reflection of the biases that permeate this otherwise fantastic and essential site. The fact that we can not review this album nor any other, or inform the Progressive community that they have yet to hear the greatest Progressive Rock track ever (slight exageration) "New Jerusalem" is agreat shame, but I've learned to live with it. The "Powers That Be" can not be bothered to REALLY listen to this band, the fix is in, and there is nothing we can do about it. One of the greatest Progressive Rock keyboardists of all time remains shunned because of his timerity to release some successful 'cover' pop singles 20 years ago. I'm sure Dave couldn't give a 'fetted dingo's kidney' about all this anyway!!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 10:33
| Thank you Brian. I was actually just thinking of my 3 year old, your post did an admirable job of reminding me of his behavior when he doesn't get his way. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 10:36
Personally, I always find constructive discussion tends to go better when toys are kept within the pram and not thrown out; let's keep this civil, people  -------------  Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 10:44
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Oh Dear!
It would seem I have hit a raw nerve!! Ouch!! I think my original observation it is clearly demonstrated here. It's not worth wasting our time. We're clearly not entitled to our opinion. If we constructively critisise, we are doomed to be represented as spoit brats. I repeat ANYONE who has listened to "Blue and Gree" properly could not agree that they belong on PA. So as I said. we're wasting our time. Gaskin and Stewart create fantastic Progressive Rock. Slartinbartfast knows this, "Stagkridge" definately knows this, BUT we must not make a fuss because others are not prepared to admit they have made an error. Anyway I'm off to the playground to play on the swings, suck my thumb and I scream and cry until I get a lolly pop!
P.S. Maybe you're three year old SHOULD get his own way!
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Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 10:46
| Tried being civil. It got us nowhere! Listen to Gaskin and Stewart! I won't post anymore because I will probably get banned! Consider me Censored!! |
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:05
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Sorry Padraic!
Seriously! I really am appologising. Anyone who gives such great come back can not be all bad. I really had a good laugh. I don't agree that I'm acting like your three year old (unless he/she is incredibly mature, highly intelligent, sophisticated and defastatingly good looking...all of which may well be true), but I think you have a great sense of humour (as I was hoping to demonstrate with my equally cutting replies). Anyway, PLEASE listen to Blue and Green again (maybe twice) Sure there are some 'pop' oftertones, but I can not believe you don't thnik that this music should be on PA somewhere. Also get hold of "New Jerusalem" and tell me that it's just one long pop song!! No, I am sure you will have to admit that this is bloody good Progressive Rock. Come on! Give S&G one more go!!
Thanks
Brian
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:20
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If they inspire you to come with an expression like fetted dingo's kidney it must be strong stuff.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:21
Anyone man enough to say sorry can't be all bad. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:22
Thanks for the laugh Pat.   Anyway, from what I've seen while lurking/being active on the forums/website, the collabs give everything a fair listen, and it is possible for music to be good without being prog. If you really want to review it, there are other websites which do include it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:31
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In the Crossover team thread my actual words were:
So Gaskin/Stewart were not formally rejected by Crossover, this was before Starti joined the team and without his greater knowledge of the duo. I'm prepared to look at them again.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:44
Apology accepted. Whether you believe it or not, I really did take a careful listen to the latest cuts from S&G, and they really are not appropriate for Canterbury prog as we have it defined. As that is the only relevant genre of which I am a voting team member, I can safely bow out of this discussion and let the Crossover team members revisit this if they wish. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 12:40
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I can certainly see them not fitting into Canterbury despite the presence of Stewart. I'm still not sure whether I'd advocate for Crossover or Prog-Related. Leaning towards the latter. By the way, what's a US band like the Muffins doing in there? That's not right. I was about to say we ain't got no Canterburys here in the US, but then I looked it up and we have six, so there.  |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 12:43
Canterbury is a world-wide phenomenon! Catch it! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 12:53
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I visited the Canterbury section and I do have more than a few albums that call that sub-genre a home. (Muffins included)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 14:24
Respectfully, I see no connection with Camel, Wakeman or Renaissance, so there's no place for G&D in Symphonic.
I agree with Debrewguy's opinion, it's mostly intelligent mainstream, but not Prog, maybe, forcing the issue a bit, Prog Related, but I don't believe they fit in the definition.
Sorry, but this is my honest opinion.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 15:11
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I have a few of their CDs, and find no prog in them whatsoever.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 16:01
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There could be a case for prog related,but that case needs to be made on the basis of the music alone, not the pedigree. Asia is a classic example of a band made up of 4 prog heavyweights but who in that combination are not a prog band. They are listed as prog related.
From what I recall of S&G, I would probably come out supporting a proposal form Prog Related if someone was willing to prepare the bio etc. It would need to go to the admin team for approval of course.
For any who only recall the single "Busy doing nothing", there was certainly a lot more to S&G than that.
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Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 16:28
| Oh for crying out loud!!! I'm reading such pretentious, 'know it all' "Cod's Wallop", here. I could stop right here and accept your premise that S&G do not produce progressive (not even prog related) music and that my understanding of the term has clearly been wrong for at last 40 years (since I bought my first 'Nice' LP). I could accept that I'm wrong but then I look at the artists you DO include. Has anyone seen some of the stuff that is defined as Prog Related, Proto Prog or Crossover Prog!? ANYTHING, absolutely anything can be found is these categories...DAVID BOWIE!!! Do Not !!...Please, I beg you ...Do Not make me cough up a lung laughing at all this nonsense. I guess that, if you have enough clout on this site, you could get Michael Jackson and Gerry and The Pacemakers included (prog related and proto prog). As for "fettid dingo's kidneys"...please refer to Zaphod Beeblebrox!...er?? You see!! you just don't get it! By the way I didn't start today's outburst! its all that "Stackridge" guy's fault. I had accepted defeat month's ago, and then my old friend has to throw in his (sensible, understandable, reasonable and so bloody well obviously correct) opinion in and the "Poo-Poo extract" most definately hits the fan and then I'm in full RANT mode!! And while I'm at it why isn't Toto on this site as Prog Related??? Oh no, here we bloody well go again! DAVID BOWIE!!? don't make me laugh...and yet here I go...Ha, Ha, Ha Ha!!! and what about the Buzzcocks and Sha Na Na? Kylie Minogue and Bob Dylan?...Oh now I'm being stupid, yes I know!!! but I was serious about Toto! Wow!!! Did I really write all this?NOW! Where the heck did I put by Prozak??? |
Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 16:36
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Hey "Stackridge"!
You could do a bloody marvelous Bio...so please submit one to this excellent "Easy Livin'" Moderator, so that we can get this thing settled (or 'put this puppy to bed' as they say in America)!
Oh and by the way I am assuming that we're adult here and that we can all take a joke as well as the next guy/girl. Let's keep a sense of humour here! I have been called complaining 3 year old, and I welcome that description (better than 56 year old balding Git! anyway).
Brian
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 17:08
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I understand your point, Brian. There are quite a few bands listed here that, as far as I can tell, have done very little progressive music. I personally don't care who is listed here, as long as the artists I like are here. I S&G were listed, I would have no problem with that. But I still don't think they are prog. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 17:09
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 17:37
 can I get this on a T-shirt? One minor point - while Crossover Prog suffers a little from legacy additions into the category once known as Art Rock made long before my time here, we do endeavour to keep it on the right side of the Prog/Not Prog borderline, which is why you see Roger Water's solo sitting one side and David Gilmour peering in from the other, why Radiohead can smugly stare out at Muse's strutting away in PR land and why Japan scratch their heads wondering how Rain Tree Crow got in and they didn't. These flavours may not appeal to you, or make any logical sense, but there is method in our madness and on that you may have to just take my word for it.
 As to Bowie - meh, whether Krautrock inspired Low and Heroes albums alone are enough, or whether the Prog experiments of 'Cygnet Committee' or 'Width Of A Circle' qualify him, there is more to Mr David Robert Jones than a few pop singles and we'll offer Gaskin and Stewart the same courtesy.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 19:46
My aren't we a little excitable? You have to accept that there are big variations between many of us member's opinions on what is prog and what is not, what should be included and what should be excluded and where it should be stuck. Make your case and don't get too upset when someone takes a contrary position. Still leaning to Prog-Related From the definition there is a check list of sorts: - Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, AND - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, AND - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog. I think item two is a bit too harsh of a standard (sorry Iván ). If they haven't done something developmentally influential to prog, they aren't worthy? I think they meet one and three though.The case for their inclusion comes from the Crossover definition: Whereas Prog Related bands are generally commercial groups with certain prog elements or players that were involved in prog acts, Crossover Prog artists are predominantly progressive with elements of popular music. By that standard I nominate them for Prog-Related. Not being on that team, it is of course up to them... |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 19:56
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Sure, let's talk about Bowie, ever listen to Man Who Sold the World, that's just straight up Progressive Rock as far as I can tell. During the late 70s and early 80s when all the other prog rockers had no idea what to do with themselves, Bowie, Fripp, Eno, Hillage and Gabriel stepped up to the plate and kept things relevant. Re Slarti's S&G eval: one out of three criteria wouldn't get my PR vote, two could, but just one is a criteria that probably thousands of bands could make. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:08
Believe it or not, N° 2 has been the entrance for some bands like:
People knew them as related to Prog, some even considered them full Prog bands (I don't). My original definition was 1 or 2 or 3, but it was changed (not fopr me), even when I agree 100% with the change, because PA wa getting too open.
I already gave my opinion, now it's in hands of the Adms.
Iván
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:10
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That's funny, for me "Heroes" was his first 100% progressive album. I still like The Man Who Sold The World. That track in particular. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:14
I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept that any of those were influential to the development of prog. Big Roxy Music fan BTW. The other two I don't care to get to know any better than I already do. Not a slam, mind you. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:19
You're right Slarti, a lot of bands in PR don't fit all three criteria, these are just guidelines, but some bands get in for other reasons. I didn't vote on any PR bands except the last two additions (John Cale and another band I have forgotten), so I'm not sure on the reasoning on some of the bands we have in PR. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:26
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I'm still wondering if Stiffenson needs a hug ... Steffie boy, opinion is all that we got here. If you feel yours is the only one worth anything, then please start your own site where you can decide everything to your heart's desire. Name any collab here, and all could name one or more bands that they disagreed with (in some cases vehemently). But that's why each opinion is heard out. based on its' validity and eventually working on a majority vote for or against. Even , in some cases, working towards a consensus amongst all involved, if possible. Acting like a spoiled brat only weakens your arguement. A good heated discussion is one thing. Insulting all or any that don't agree with you just makes the other side look better. Keep it up. Your opinions are gaining their just value. Or , you could learn something from Slartibartfast's approach. Or, you might not be able to. Call Danzig ... he needs a hug as badly as you., ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:26
We're a bit of mess sometimes and places, but it's still fun. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:37
Yes Starti, that's taste,. but if you go to ANY Propg site, the three bands are there, this means being widely accepted.
I remember a guy pushing for an artist who released a salsa album, saying he was added in Prog-Not-Frog, that's not widely accepted, because that is only oe site, and dedicated to illegal downloads.
But if a band can be found in two of this sires:
You can say it's widely accepted. Iván -------------
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Posted By: BRIAN STEFFENSEN
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:22
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I have, and love the LP "The man Who Saved The World". I can see an argument for this being a Prog Related album. But this is pre-"Hunky Dory" David Bowie. Before all the effected glam rock/pop. One Progish album does not justify inclusion, if the present guidelines are being followed (IMHP). Heroes??? Yes, there are one or two 'progish' tracks, but if this is a Prog Rock Album, then I'm a small green furry creature from Alpha Centauri (in the days when they were 'real' small green furry creatures from alpha centauri). BUT I think everything that has been said here has proved my point. Once you allow such broad categorisation of Progressive Rock, you open a Pandora's Box of worms (wow! now that's some Mixed Metaphore if I ever wrote one!!!). You can't argue that the Beatles are Prog Relalated (there I go! laughing my head off again) and then say that Stewart and Gaskin are not. It's just a matter or your opinion. You let one in you have to let the other in, otherwise its all hypocracy (not democracy). As for the guy that lectured me about "That's not the way we do thingsI" If you check this thread carefully, you will find that one of the admin guys hinted that something might get done about this IF somebody wrote a Bio. As "Stackridge" helped set up a web page for S&G (I forget which one ...there are so bloody many) I thought he would be the best guy for the job. And as for the guy/girl/small green creature from Alpha Centauri, who said he/she/it thinks I need a hug! YES...You bet I need a zarking Hug...you have no idea! |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 04:20
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Notwithstanding the speculation vis a vis the current location and species identification of both your terrestrial self and others on the forum, it transpires that your recorded whereabouts serves as an uncanny anagram of your eventual destination i.e. "on to Rot'
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:28
| Hey Brian, first of all we don't have the Beatles in prog-related, they are in proto-prog. Secondly, I can't think of any other band that was influencing the early prog-rockers more than the Beatles. I seriously doubt that GS had one/thousandth the influence on prog that the Beatles had. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 16:21
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* munch munch * |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 18:09
Oi!...Leave that pear alone! Is this what you want? Atavachron  Art Rock Specialist
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 18:44
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ah but like Eden's apple, nothing good would come of that
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 08:36
Hey, you ate the leaf off the stem. I think the Beatles are totally appropriate to proto, BTW. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 09:04
Bowie is here as prog-related, so we are not saying that all his albums are prog.
Even if The Beatles were prog-related, I don't see why that fact means "you have to let the other in".
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Posted By: Stackridge
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:10
Didn't mean to stir up too much of a fuss...but I have enjoyed reading it. 
I am reminded of a similar debate on another blog, based on some cretin journalist from a large newspaper saying, "I don't like Prog but like Pink Floyd. Therefore Pink Floyd are not Prog".
Quite frankly I come to a website like this with open ears and always learn something new and listen to something unexpected. If I have pointed someone in the direction of Dave & Barbara's music then so be it. I am a fan not a salesman. I like lots of music and will help promote artists if I think they are not represented and their music fits the tag of Prog - whatever the sub-genre.
**** just does quick check - crikey o'blimey. Stackridge are on here as Prog Folk. I did not expect that but am muchly pleased.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:51
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Hey, the fun of this site is promoting artists you like and/or think should be added and you've probably poked around here enough to realize that we love to debate those kind of things. v v v ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 21:08
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slarti, you missed something - "the fun of this site is promoting artists you like" AND pummeling those you don't ...
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