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Topic: BucketheadPosted By: estes
Subject: Buckethead
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 20:22
Why isn't he on Prog Archives? He is one of the best (and most eccentric) modern guitarists. If Bumblefoot can make it on this website, shouldn't Buckethead? He is very experimental, but I'm horrible at deciding whether or not things are very proggy. I am not a huge fan but he needs to be on this website.
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Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 20:30
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 20:41
Probably no-one claimed him (there are many subgenres that can claim his parts of his output: fusion, experimental, prog-metal, crossover etc.), or maybe no-one tried to shorten his way to approval and addition by writing a bio, I don't know... He definitely belongs here.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 20:45
Seems like his best fit is in one of the metal categories, but dammit he's not content to stick himself into any particular genre.
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 23:08
I love Buckethead, a lot, one of my favorite guitarists of this time. The Prog Metal Team can't take him on board I'm afraid. He has 5 no votes, one undecided, versus one positive vote and even if the rest of the current PMT votes yes, the 5 no votes and the one undecided will still mean he isn't going to be cleared by our team.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 23:12
Could we sneak in the album he relased on Tzadik under John Zorn?
Maybe not?
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 23:13
He wouldn't even need to be sneaked in if an actual genre team wants to jump on this.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 12 2009 at 23:15
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
He wouldn't even need to be sneaked in if an actual genre team wants to jump on this.
Buckethead for prog folk!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 06:44
He's already been sneaked in with Octave Of The Holy Innocents. Interesting that the prog metal team has no interest in adding him...
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 06:51
Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 08:04
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Quite simply not how things work around here.
It's simply an argument. We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?
That's really stupid.
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 08:14
Lucent wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Quite simply not how things work around here.
It's simply an argument. We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?
That's really stupid.
If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you). It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it.
And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted. I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 18:08
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Quite simply not how things work around here.
It's simply an argument. We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?
That's really stupid.
If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you). It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it.
And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted. I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.
Eclectic isn't a bad fit, but I still don't get why any of the metal folks haven't embraced him. Not metal enough? Does the mellow stuff disqualify him?
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 20:19
Slartibartfast wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Quite simply not how things work around here.
It's simply an argument. We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?
That's really stupid.
If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you). It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it.
And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted. I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.
Eclectic isn't a bad fit, but I still don't get why any of the metal folks haven't embraced him. Not metal enough? Does the mellow stuff disqualify him?
He's definitely somewhere inbetween prog metal and eclectic. Possibly heavy prog??
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 13 2009 at 20:21
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Quite simply not how things work around here.
It's simply an argument. We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?
That's really stupid.
If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you). It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it.
And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted. I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 14 2009 at 02:20
Lucent wrote:
Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives. Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.
Metallica is in prog related. You're not helping. There are already genre teams taking this on board, so let's keep it on topic.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 14 2009 at 02:34
Slartibartfast wrote:
Eclectic isn't a bad fit, but I still don't get why any of the metal folks haven't embraced him. Not metal enough? Does the mellow stuff disqualify him?
I've voted yes, but so far that makes it 2 yes votes versus 5 no votes. 4 of those votes are by former members of the PMT and only Jody regularly comes back. I can ask him to reconsider his vote. It seems that some people feel strongly about his inclusion in a prog metal genre. Want my opinion? He has enough experimental/avant garde/progressive metal work to EASILY fit alongside bands like maudlin of the Well, Tool etc. It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them. He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal. Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 14 2009 at 21:50
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them. He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal. Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily.
Well perhaps he can't be added because he may overload the site, I mean look at this:
recordings that Buckethead appears on...click on the titles for more info
on the pages of listings, the cover art is linked to an online point of purchase when available
if you know of better sources for any of these releases, have more info, or find dead links, please mailto:[email protected] - let me know
1991
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/delidemo.html - Deli Creeps (demo tape)
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dcdemo.html - Buckethead - Giant Robot (self-released tape)
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/blueprints.html - Buckethead - Bucketheadland Blueprints (demo tape)
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/hopeyoulike.html - Henry Kaiser - Hope You Like Our New Direction
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/company91.html - Company 91 Volume 1
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/comp2.html - Company 91 Volume 2
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/comp3.html - Company 91 Volume 3
1992
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/openingofdoors.html - Will Ackerman - The Opening of Doors
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/transmutation.html - Praxis - Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/atasteof.html - Praxis - A Taste of Mutation
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/animalbehavior.html - Praxis - Animal Behavior
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bucketheadland.html - Buckethead - Bucketheadland
1993
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/lastactionhero.html - Last Action Hero - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/lahscore.html - Last Action Hero - Score
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/collective.html - MCM and the Monster - Collective Emotional Problems
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/ambientdub1.html - Divination - Ambient Dub Volume 1
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/piecesofwoo.html - Bernie Worrell - Pieces of Woo: The Other Side
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dreamspeed.html - Anton Fier - Dreamspeed
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bigwheel.html - Icehouse - Big Wheel
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/whatsowhat.html - Psyber Pop - What? So What?
1994
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/sacrifist.html - Praxis - Sacrifist
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dreamatorium.html - Death Cube K - Dreamatorium
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/lordoftheharvest.html - Zillatron - Lord of the Harvest
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/taz.html - Hakim Bey - T.A.Z. (Temporary Autonomous Zone)
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/metatron.html - Praxis - Metatron
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/manifestation.html - Axiom Collection - Manifestation
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/lostinthetranslation.html - Axiom Ambient - Lost in the Translation
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/lightinextension.html - Divination - Light in Extension
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/giantrobot.html - Buckethead - Giant Robot
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dressingforpleasure.html - Jon Hassell and Blue Screen - Dressing for Pleasure
1995
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/johnnymnemonic.html - JM Johnny Mnemonic- Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/octaveoftheholy.html - Jonas Hellborg and Michael Shrieve - Octave of the Holy Innocents
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/mkscore.html - Mortal Kombat - Score
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/mortalkombat.html - Mortal Kombat - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/buckshot.html - Buckshot Le Fonque
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/nopainnogain.html - Buckshot Le Fonque - No Pain No Gain
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/funk.html - Axiom Funk - Funkcronomicon
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/if6was9.html - Axiom Funk featuring Bootsy Collins - If 6 was 9
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/silverlining.html - Julian Schnabel - Every Silver Lining has a Cloud
1996
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/ambientcomp.html - Bill Laswell - Ambient Compendium
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/fullcircle.html - Icehouse - Full Circle
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/alienambient.html - Alien Ambient Galaxy
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dayoftherobot.html - Buckethead - The Day of the Robot
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/stealingbeauty.html - Stealing Beauty - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/giantrobotntt.html - Giant Robot - Giant Robot NTT
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dreamsoftheworld.html - Myth - Dreams of the World
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/delidemo2.html - Deli Creeps (demo tape)
1997
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/beverlyhillsninja.html - Beverly Hills Ninja - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/everythingmustgo.html - Valis II - Everything Must Go
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/freeagent.html - Bernie Worrell - Free Agent: A Spaced Odyssey
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/guitarzone.html - Guitar Zone
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/transmutationlive.html - Praxis - Transmutation Live
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/arcofthetestimony.html - Arcana - Arc of the Testimony
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/mortalkombat2.html - Mortal Kombat 2 / Annihilation - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/refrigerator_st.html - Refrigerator
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/somehow.html - Refrigerator - Somehow
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/liveinpoland.html - Praxis - Live in Poland
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/guitarsonmars.html - Guitars on Mars
1998
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/fiveminutesalone.html - Pieces - I Need 5 Minutes Alone
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/colma.html - Buckethead - Colma
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/nightandday.html - Night and Day
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/ancienttermites.html - Phonopsychograph Disk - Ancient Termites
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/guitarisma.html - Guitarisma 2
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/marcbolan.html - Great Jewish Music - A Tribute to Marc Bolan
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/wavetwisters.html - DJ Q-Bert - Wave Twisters
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/newyorkeroutloud.html - New Yorker - Out Loud
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/collection.html - Praxis - Collection
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/b*****dnoise.html - b*****d Noise/Spastic Colon
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/telesterion.html - Telesterion - Hall of Mysteries
1999
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/anytimeatall.html - Banyan - Anytime at All
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/devildub.html - Ben Wa - Devil Dub
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/monstersandrobots.html - Buckethead - Monsters and Robots
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/elstew.html - El Stew - EP
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/nohesitation.html - El Stew - No Hesitation
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/mmpr.html - Mighty Morphin Power Rangers - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/13thscroll.html - Cobra Strike - 13th Scroll
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/disembodied.html - Death Cube K - Disembodied
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/beatalchemy.html - Excavation - Beat Alchemy
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/onemansmeat.html - Viggo Mortensen - One Man's Meat
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/onelessthing.html - Viggo Mortensen - One Less Thing to Worry About
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/otherparade.html - Viggo Mortensen - The Other Parade
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/unrealesed.html - Phonopsychograph Disk - Unrealesed
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/liveatslims.html - Phonopsychograph Disk - Live @ Slim's/Turbulence Chest
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/spotthepsycho.html - Cornbugs - Spot the Psycho
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/tunnel.html - Death Cube K - Tunnel
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/crashcourse.html - Crash Course in Music
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/horizons.html - Horizons
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/mfnm.html - Music for the New Millennium
2000
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/furtado.html - Tony Furtado Band
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/cobrastrike2.html - Cobra Strike II - Y, Y + B, X + Y
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/doublee.html - Double E - Audio Men
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/unison.html - Shin Terai - Unison
2001
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/cemeterypinch.html - Cornbugs - Cemetery Pinch
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/hownowbrowncow.html - Cornbugs - How Now Brown Cow
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/kfcskinpiles.html - Buckethead - KFC Skin Piles
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/thanatopsis.html - Thanatopsis
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/freakbros.html - The Freak Brothers
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/warszawa.html - Praxis - Warszawa
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/innerhythmicsoundsystem.html - Innerhythmic Sound System
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/slaughterhouse.html - Buckethead - Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/ghostsofmars.html - Ghosts of Mars - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/pointsoforder.html - Bill Laswell - Points of Order
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dbz.html - Dragon Ball Z - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bombanniv.html - Bomb Anniversary Collection
2002
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/guitarsforfreedom.html - Guitars for Freedom
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/metacollection.html - The Meta Collection
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/scratchsoundtrack.html - Scratch: The Film
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/urbanrev.html - Urban Revolutions
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/funnelweaver.html - Buckethead - Funnel Weaver
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/fishbone.html - Fishbone's Family Nexperience - The Friendliest Psychosis...
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bermudatriangle.html - Buckethead - Bermuda Triangle
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/electrictears.html - Buckethead - Electric Tears
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bonnaroo_live.html - Live from Bonnaroo 2002 Volume 2
2003
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/elstewrehearsal.html - El Stew: The Rehearsal
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/axiology.html - Thanatopsis - Axiology
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/productofpain.html - Gemini - Product of Pain
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bhland2.html - Bucketheadland 2
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/freekbass.html - Freekbass - The Air is Fresher Underground
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/pandemonium.html - Viggo Mortensen - Pandemoniumfromamerica
2004
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/braincircus.html - Cornbugs - Brain Circus
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/heavenandhell.html - Shine - Heaven and Hell
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/islandoflostminds.html - Bucketheadland - Island of Lost Minds
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/population_override.html - Buckethead - Population Override
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/cuckooclocksofhell.html - Buckethead - The Cuckoo Clocks of Hell
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/meridiem.html - Meridiem - A Pleasant Fiction
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/pleasetomorrow.html - Viggo Mortensen - Please Tomorrow
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bigeyeballinthesky.html - Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains - The Big Eyeball in the Sky
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/donkeytown.html - Cornbugs - Donkey Town
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/thisthatandtheother.html - Viggo Mortensen - This That and the Other
2005
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/resthomeforrobots.html - Cornbugs - Rest Home for Robots
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bluesuenos.html - Blue Suenos
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/gorgone.html - Gorgone
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/skeletonfarm.html - Cornbugs - Skeleton Farm
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bassnectar.html - Bassnectar - Mesmerizing the Ultra
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/intelligencefailure.html - Viggo Mortensen - Intelligence Failure
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/masters_of_horror.html - Masters of Horror - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/enter_the_chicken.html - Buckethead and Friends - Enter the Chicken
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/saw2soundtrack.html - Saw 2 - Soundtrack
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dawnofthedelicreeps.html - Deli Creeps - Dawn of the Deli Creeps
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/kaleidoscalp.html - Buckethead - Kaleidoscalp
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/inbredmountain.html - Buckethead - Inbred Mountain
2006
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/celebritypsychos.html - Cornbugs - Celebrity Psychos
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/anatomize.html - A Thanotopsis - Anatomize
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/elephantmansalarmclock.html - Buckethead - The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/praxis_zurich.html - Praxis - Zurich
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/goldandwax.html - Gigi - Gold and Wax
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/chicken_noodles.html - Buckethead and Travis Dickerson - Chicken Noodles
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/christmasis4ever.html - Bootsy Collins - Christmas is 4 Ever
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/crimeslunkscene.html - Buckethead - Crime Slunk Scene
2007
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/insearchof.html - Buckethead - In Search of The
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/peppersghost.html - Buckethead - Pepper's Ghost
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/acousticshards.html - Buckethead - Acoustic Shards
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/praxis_live2004.html - Praxis - Tennessee 2004
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/shine_lightyears.html - Shine E - Light Years
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/deathcubek_dck.html - Death Cube K - Death Cube K
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/inamorata.html - Method of Defiance -Inamorata
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/kevinsnoodlehouse.html - Brain and Buckethead - Kevin's Noodle House
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/cyborgslunks.html - Buckethead - Cyborg Slunks
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/decodingbansheebot.html - Buckethead - Decoding the Tomb of Bansheebot
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/monolith_cd.html - Death Cube K - Monolith
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/chicken_noodles_2.html - Buckethead and Travis Dickerson - Chicken Noodles II
2008
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/at_all_cd.html - Buckethead and Viggo Mortenson - At All
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/fromthecoop_cd.html - Buckethead - From the Coop
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/runningafterdeer.html - Alix Lambert and Travis Dickerson - Running after Deer
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/albinoslug_cd.html - Buckethead - Albino Slug
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/dragons_of_eden.html - Buckethead, Travis, and Brain - The Dragons of Eden
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/bolt_on_neck.html - Frankenstein Brothers - Bolt on Neck
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/sciencefaxtion.html - Science Faxtion - Living on Another Frequency
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/chinese_democracy.html - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/praxis_profanation.html - Praxis - Profanation
2009
http://www.bingeandgrab.com/prairieslaughterhouse.html - Buckethead - Slaughterhouse on the Prairie
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 09:47
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:05
I'm not an expert on Buckethead, but if he was rejected by the Metal Team, where he could maybe belong, it's absurd trying to force huim into any sub-genre just because some believe he should be here.
estes wrote:
Why isn't he on Prog Archives? He is one of the best (and most eccentric) modern guitarists. If Bumblefoot can make it on this website, shouldn't Buckethead? He is very experimental, but I'm horrible at deciding whether or not things are very proggy. I am not a huge fan but he needs to be on this website.
Lets see the argument:
1.- Being one of the best
2.- Being eccentric
Is not necessarily being Prog, then you claim you are not sure if he's even Proggy, but still believe he should be added??????,
I find a lot of contradictions here.
The point Bumblefoot whoever he is, has been added, has absolutely no relation with Buxckethead.
Buckethead is a METAL musician, if the Prog Metalt team doesn't add him...Then lets stop messing in their business, they are the experts.
NOTE: I don't give a damn if he's added or not, never would care about his existence as I don't care now, but trying to force artists wherever just because we feel they deserve (Nobody deserves to be Prog, you are a Prog artist or not), against the opinion of the exprets is wrong IMO.
Buckethead is included in each and every METAL page, why force him where he doesn't bellong, just because the METAL experts say no?
The suggestion post implies clearly that Prog is an award, if you are good enough you will make it...Quality has nothing to do, you can suck terribly, but if you play Prog you are here, on the other hand you can be a spectacular musician and play another genre, no way you should be added in that case.
What's next, if the Metal Team rejects AC/DC will Folk accept them?
Iván
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:12
^ That is a good demonstration only if the hypothesis is true (Buckethead ain't prog). Well, I've actually heard some Buckethead and the albums were MOST DEFINITELY progressive rock, it's just that it's difficult to say what kind of subgenre would fit him best.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:38
Swan Song wrote:
^ That is a good demonstration only if the hypothesis is true (Buckethead ain't prog). Well, I've actually heard some Buckethead and the albums were MOST DEFINITELY progressive rock, it's just that it's difficult to say what kind of subgenre would fit him best.
I won't enter in the debate if Buckethead is Prog, I simply can't understand what he's playing and think is only weird, but that's not the point, I will leave that to the exoperts.
But if a METAL artist, recognized everywhere as MEYTAL, in every METAL piece of literature, is rejected by the Prog METAL team, it0s time to wait.
It's like saying "Dream Theater is so Prog that if rejected by the PM team, Fusion should add them, because they deserve to be here"
Please, a bit of coherence, Buckethead is a Metal artist beyond any doubt, more than Prog, more than anything the word METAL defines him, no metal team, no Prog Archives IMO.
Isn't the reason why the team hasn't added him becauuse they don't believe he's Ptrog enough?
This would bring a bad precedent, if a team rejects an artist, any other unrelated team will accept him, just because they believe he should be here.
I insist, that's wrong.
Iván
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 11:04
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Isn't the reason why the team hasn't added him becauuse they don't believe he's Ptrog enough?
Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
But if a METAL artist, recognized everywhere as MEYTAL, in every
METAL piece of literature, is rejected by the Prog METAL team, it0s
time to wait.
That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?
I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Please, a bit of coherence, Buckethead is a Metal artist beyond any doubt, more than Prog, more than anything the word METAL defines him, no metal team, no Prog Archives IMO.
I bet you he get's added this time
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 11:18
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I simply can't understand what he's playing and think is only weird
That's pretty much what the general listening public thinks of Prog. Ironic isn't it?
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 11:45
Swan Song wrote:
Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...
I'm not assuning anything, when we don't accep't a band as Symphonic, we:
1..-Give our opibnion about being Prog or not
2.- Recommend alternative genres if we believe is Prog
3.- We even make a tentative bio and add samples if possible and legal
I see nothing of this isn the Prog metal Team except an express mention that he was REJECTED
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4 - http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4
So I'm not guessing, I'm basing myself in words as:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
If I came across as bashing Buckethead, that's not the case at all. He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time always manages to sit in my top ten most played artists in my Last FM profile and indeed, I have learnt a few of his songs on guitar. I consider him to a truly amazing genius and to have been able to have played with so many artists and bands over the years, is no easy feat. The problem with Buckethead is consistency in progressive or prog related output... but the same can be said of even many prog artists too, so perhaps.
As far as i see, they have said he's not Prog enough, so I'm not the one guessing
That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?
Circunstantial????
Does all the existing Metal literature is circunstantial? Do we know more about Metal than them?
I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?
I don't care for Buckethead at all or understand him too much, but i care about prog Archives and understand a bit what prog is, and IMO I have strong doubts about him being Prog, even the experts say MAYBE Prog Related.
Whenever Prog Archives reputation and credibility is on risk, I will care, no matter who the artist is
I bet you he get's added this time
Please grow up a bit, I care too much about the site to bet on it's coherence, maybe he's added, well, the big difference is that I'll shut up, but that won't happen if he's rejected, somebody will insist again and again and again and again......
jimidom wrote:
That's pretty much what the general listening public thinks of Prog. Ironic isn't it?
Listening public is not expected to know very much about the difference between Progressive Rock and weird, that has been our complain for decades.....We are suposed to know at least a bit more.
Iván.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 12:24
Hmmmm it will be interesting if praxis and c3b2 get added at least if buckethead doesn't get in.Which looks likely,his bands will be added.
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 06:14
Slartibartfast wrote:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them. He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal. Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily.
Well perhaps he can't be added because he may overload the site, I mean look at this:
recordings that Buckethead appears on...click on the titles for more info
on the pages of listings, the cover art is linked to an online point of purchase when available
if you know of better sources for any of these releases, have more info, or find dead links, please mailto:[email protected] - let me know
Not sure if you're kidding around or not, you probably are, but we would add stuff under Buckethead, not side projects since that isn't technically Buckethead. Side projects would require another artist entry entirely.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 06:17
That discography includes side projects, of course. It makes you wonder if he ever gets any sleep.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 06:30
I'm not even gonna bother reading all of Ivan's posts and the content
in them since a lot of it isn't helping at all and constantly enlarging
the font against all the other normal posts with normal sized font just
makes it hard to read anyway, but what I will say is that Buckethead
has 2 yes votes so far by the Prog Metal Team and the decision to leave
him in the rejected position is always subject to change at this point.
I honestly believe that if one is to actually get the right albums, it's an easy yes vote.
Some of Buckethead's albums are very straight forward like some prog
artists do sometimes, but like prog artists with a lot of albums under
their belt, he also has a large number of very experimental.material.
For the voting process, you do not look at through the eyes of tech
extreme metal or prog metal in the style of Dream Theater (traditional
prog metal) but through experimental metal eyes.
What qualifies as experimental metal which has it's place in PA with
Experimental/Post metal, is not the same as what qualifies for trad
prog metal or tech/extreme.
Many other sources consider some of his work to be highly experimental, I believe PA could do the same too.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 10:38
For Christ's sake Ivan, your arguments are so out of place that I'm starting to have the impression that you're either mocking me, or trolling.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Swan Song wrote:
Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...
I'm not assuning anything, when we don't accep't a band as Symphonic, we:
1..-Give our opibnion about being Prog or not
2.- Recommend alternative genres if we believe is Prog
3.- We even make a tentative bio and add samples if possible and legal
I see nothing of this isn the Prog metal Team except an express mention that he was REJECTED- then why do you assume the Prog Metal TEAM thinks Buckethead isn't prog? Because Mike says that IN HIS OPINION he's not progressive enough? That's a PERSONAL OPINION, not a TEAM DECISION. He says "I don't think", why do you distort the facts?
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4 - http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4
So I'm not guessing, I'm basing myself in words as:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
If I came across as bashing Buckethead, that's not the case at all. He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time always manages to sit in my top ten most played artists in my Last FM profile and indeed, I have learnt a few of his songs on guitar. I consider him to a truly amazing genius and to have been able to have played with so many artists and bands over the years, is no easy feat. The problem with Buckethead is consistency in progressive or prog related output... but the same can be said of even many prog artists too, so perhaps.
As far as i see, they have said he's not Prog enough, so I'm not the one guessing. You've got to be mocking me! He's clearly saying Buckethead's problem is consistency, NOT THAT HE'S NOT PROG ENOUGH. Does my intelligence need an insult or what? BTW the same team member clearly says two post further down the post that in his opinion "He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal."Did you not see that post, by chance?
That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?
Circunstantial????
Does all the existing Metal literature is circunstantial? Do we know more about Metal than them? If a band is on a Metal website that mean it can't be prog? Since when Metal websites don't add prog-metal bands? Are Dream Theater not prog, because they are present on all Metal websites? Since when a band can't be metal and prog at the same time? This website only (PA) has already several bands which are at the same time metal and prog. They're called prog-metal!
By the logic of your argument, if a prog band would be present on a rock website (which would be normal as most prog-rock bands are rock bands, they play a kind of rock music) then it should not be allowed on PA. Quite a logic that is...
I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?
I don't care for Buckethead at all or understand him too much, but i care about prog Archives and understand a bit what prog is, and IMO I have strong doubts about him being Prog, even the experts say MAYBE Prog Related.
I don't get it, you say that you don't understand his music then you say he's not prog? How's that? Either you understand it and say it's not prog, or you don't understand it and leave others to deal with it. And how about that expert whose opinion that Buckethead has "AT LEAST 10+" prog albums, why did you not quote him properly? You're doing more harm to PA's credibility by saying these things and acting like this.
Whenever Prog Archives reputation and credibility is on risk, I will care, no matter who the artist is Please, you're doing more harm to PA right now, as I was saying. You're a major SC here, start acting likewise.
I bet you he get's added this time
Please grow up a bit, I care too much about the site to bet on it's coherence, maybe he's added, well, the big difference is that I'll shut up, but that won't happen if he's rejected, somebody will insist again and again and again and again...... You need to grow up and stop interfearing in debates where you've clearly stated from the beginning that you don't understand the object of discussion, just to prove your point (which are irrelevant to the discussion btw).
jimidom wrote:
That's pretty much what the general listening public thinks of Prog. Ironic isn't it?
Listening public is not expected to know very much about the difference between Progressive Rock and weird, that has been our complain for decades.....We are suposed to know at least a bit more.
Iván.
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 18:04
Hmm, this isn't doing any good to either Buckethead, PA or ourselves. There's some excellent prog this man made and it should be cherrised, not quarelled above. Sorry for coming off so confrontational, I apologise. I'm starting to document, maybe I'll try a bio. ;)
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 18:55
Not that my opinion is worth anything, but I dislike the guy's music overall, yet think he is progressive enough to easily go in experimental/post metal. since when has consistency ever been merit to keep an addition out of progarchives? What of genesis? Buckethead seems to have more progressive albums out than them, why should he be kept out because of his prolific nature?
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 18:55
I have to say, this is becoming really tiresome... Every time a well-known band or artist is suggested for addition, the thread becomes a cross between a pulpit and a ring. I am sure this is scaring people off, which is in my opinion a much worse thing than having 'controversial' acts added to the database. Moreover, I wonder at all the people who seem to take the time to rant and rave in those threads, when there are so many suggestion threads that are left almost without response at all. If we really cared about getting 'real' prog bands added, we'd concentrate on those threads, instead of calling each other names every time the likes of Dire Straits, XTC or Buckethead (to name but three) are suggested.
Just my two cents, of course...
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 19:00
Swan Song wrote:
then why do you assume the Prog Metal TEAM thinks Buckethead isn't prog? Because Mike says that IN HIS OPINION he's not progressive enough? That's a PERSONAL OPINION, not a TEAM DECISION. He says "I don't think", why do you distort the facts?
I said "The Prog Metal team doesn't think a metal artist trying to be added to Prog Archives, belongs in Prog Metal", that's all I said
Not distorted any fact
You've got to be mocking me! He's clearly saying Buckethead's problem is consistency, NOT THAT HE'S NOT PROG ENOUGH. Does my intelligence need an insult or what? BTW the same team member clearly says two post further down the post that in his opinion "He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal."Did you not see that post, by chance?
But he wasn't added by the Prog Metal genre despite this 10 albums, Mike was clear, he was rejected, that's all we know...There must be a reason unless we think they are irrational.
If a band is on a Metal website that mean it can't be prog? Since when Metal websites don't add prog-metal bands? Are Dream Theater not prog, because they are present on all Metal websites? Since when a band can't be metal and prog at the same time? This website only (PA) has already several bands which are at the same time metal and prog. They're called prog-metal!
THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT, SEEMS YOU GOT IT AFTER SOME EFFORT!!!!!!!!
Metal artists are added here if they are Prog Metal, we have hundreds of them
Buckethead is a METAL ARTIST
Anybody could expect he was added to PROG METAL, I don't know or care if he's a Prog Metral artist, but I don't believe he fits anywhere else like Folk or Fusion or Avant or wherever unless we are not talking about a Prog Metal sub-genre
By the logic of your argument, if a prog band would be present on a rock website (which would be normal as most prog-rock bands are rock bands, they play a kind of rock music) then it should not be allowed on PA. Quite a logic that is...
It was a mirage, you never got it
I don't get it, you say that you don't understand his music then you say he's not prog? How's that? Either you understand it and say it's not prog, or you don't understand it and leave others to deal with it. And how about that expert whose opinion that Buckethead has "AT LEAST 10+" prog albums, why did you not quote him properly? You're doing more harm to PA's credibility by saying these things and acting like this.
Lets go step by step:
I don't know if the music he plays is Prog Metal, as a fact if he had been added to Prog Metal, i would not even asked
Now, I KNOW HE'S A METAL ARTIST AND ALL METAL SITES AGREE
Ergo, the only place for him in Prog Archives IMO is Prog Metal or a Prog Metal related genre
Prog Metal team has rejected him
I don't believe he fits abnywhere outside Prog Metal in Prog Archives
Now yuou get it??????
Please, you're doing more harm to PA right now, as I was saying. You're a major SC here, start acting likewise.
The fact that I care for the additions proves my interest in the issue, it's easier to close the eyes and say add whoever you want wherever you want.
You say it causes harm because you are in favor of his addition that's all.
Iván
Wherever an artist I believe shouldn't be here (Again, if Buckethead is added in Prog Metal, I'd say nothing) is being suggested I will have something to say,
Don't come me with the grow up argument cback, because you just want freeway to add an artist you want to add, accept it.
Iván
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 19:00
And Ivan, as an outsider looking in, you are coming off rather barbaric
and childish. No offense, and I'm not trying to insult you, but you
seem to be letting this get to you, and it seems to be negatively
affecting your judgment. Not that I think Swan Song is doing much
better, but the arguments I've seen proposed by the both of you are
subjective and opinionated bias at best.
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 19:04
@Ivan: You're trolling has become childish now, there's no point going any
further as you seem not to accept anything else but your opinions. The
points to be made were made and I wish bon travail to the teams involved with the addition.
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 19:06
can we step away from this one for a while? I will ask Ivan and Swan Song not to post in this thread for 24hrs as a cool off, please.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 21:42
Ivan's just arguing, what's the big deal? His points are no worse than anyone else's-- he's making an argument, as have several others in this thread.. if that pisses you off, deal with it. Without this sort of detailed, obsessive debate, PA would lose an important part of how things are decided; the tension and different views are a healthy thing, not a bad one. Plus this place would get mighty boring without it, and at least Ivan has the balls to discuss something even though he knows he's not an authority on Buckethead. That takes guts.
You don't like what's being said? Then oppose it with crushing knowledge and deft wit.. destroy your opponent's argument and you won't have to destroy him.
PS; this is not directed at Admin or any other individual, just my observations about this thread generally.
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:00
Sorry I'm interrupting a heated flame war with a post that's on topic.
Anyways, my opinion on Buckethead:
He has some very accessible metal with tons of regular shredding stuff. But he also has tons of avant-garde stuff as well as incredibly beautiful clean electric music.
I doubt many people here have heard the albums Funnel Weaver, Bucketheadland, or Bucketheadland II (admittedly, I have only heard most of the albums in parts). But from what I've heard, they would fit like a glove in avant-prog.
Also check out albums like Population Override. Beautiful album. Not sure it would count for post rock, but it's incredibly good. I feel like PO is definetely a prog album.
Even some of his more well known albums have avant-garde or eclectic qualities. If you ask me, he should fit into progressive metal, because he is a metal artist with tons of progressive and avant garde ideas. Now, I know from reading the posts that he should not be progressive metal. He has tons of eclectic qualities, so I bet even there would be a great fit for him. And if any of the avant-prog listeners heard the albums that I have already talked about, I'm sure they would add him to that category.
In any event, I beleive there are 3 categories that I named that he would fit well into. Others suggest experimental/post metal, which would also fit him well. He already has several prog albums (one progressive album allows an artist in PA).
I've said all that I might ever have to say in this thread.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:17
Thanks david, just want to leave my position clear:
I don't know if Buckethead is a Prog Metal artist, that I've said since the start.
If he's added to Prog Metal it's OK with me, I trust the team
If he's not added to Prog Metal, it's OK with me, I trust the team
I believe as most of the music listening world, that Buckethead is a Metal artist, as argument I bring this links
I believe that any Prog artist related to Metal, must go in Prog Metal, Tech Extreme Metal or Experimental Prog Metal
The Prog Metal Team has rejected him repeatedly.
Despite being rejected repeatedly, a case has been started again, something I don't agree with, but it's not my call.
Prog Metal team insists he's not suitable for their team
Now people has started to find alternative ubication for him, beacuse they want him here.
Nº 7 is my problem, Metal artists should go to Prog Metal, there are already 3 Prog Metal sub-genres (three times any sub-genre) that cover all the spectrum, this is not a Prog Metal site exclusively to have Metal artists in PM and other teams because some people believe he deserves to be here.
So, despite he has been rejected repeatedly, if PMT accepts him, i have absolutely no problem, I wouid shut my mouth as I always do when an artist is added, but if we start to add Metal or Folk or Symphonic artists in other genres just because we want them here at any cost, then I have a problem.
I don't need to be an authority on Bucketheat to know that a metal artiost will go most likely to Prog Metal is admited, that's simple LOGIC.
This IMHO would affect the credibility of the ste and would clearly be an excuse to add an artist at any cost.
That's all my problem, and whenever I believe something affects the credibility opf Prog Archives, i will talk, because I care more about Prog and Prog Archives than about any individual artist or my lack of popularity with some people.
Believe me, it's easier to close your eyes and say "What the heck, I don't listen that music", but somebody has to care for the site.
Just to end, if some people want free way to add an artist and no opposition, a FORUM is not the right place for them, this is a place to discuss..
Iván
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:20
Ivan, you lasted a whole 3 hours. I'm sure you can have more restraint than that. I don't think Tony's 24 hour period was a big ask.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:28
I believe a peaceful post explaining a position that incredibly has little relation with Buckethead as a musician was necessary.
I been called barbaric, childish, troll ,etc, without having chance tio deffend myself, but I haven't or won't reply to that
I don't believe anybody will feel offended with this post, unless he sees the name and doesn't read it, that's all I have to say about the issue.
Iván
EDIT: There's no need to restrain, the thread was closed and opened again, and BTW, I talked with Tony R by PM about the issue and he knows I won't create a problem or reply to insults.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:35
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I believe that any Prog artist related to Metal, must go in Prog Metal, Tech Extreme Metal or Experimental Prog Metal
Now people has started to find alternative ubication for him, beacuse they want him here.
Nº 7 is my problem, Metal artists should go to Prog Metal, there are already 3 Prog Metal sub-genres (three times any sub-genre) that cover all the spectrum, this is not a Prog Metal site exclusively to have Metal artists in PM and other teams because some people believe he deserves to be here
These are a few points you have, which are well made points.
However, we already have metal related bands in non-metal categories, like Ulver and Fantomas. Although you'd like to beleive that metal bands should only go in metal categories, it wouldn't be against PA policies to put Buckethead in other categories (eclectic is a good pick IMO, Avant-prog works I think too).
Besides, Buckethead has tons of non-metal music. Don't base Buckethead on albums like "Enter the Chicken", because he has music in lots of categories, including lots of standard rock (and prog, in many's opinion). He is strongly related to the metal community because of his "shredder" status, but he is also very eclectic.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:46
Toposfm, I'm not familiar withn Ulver, but I'm with Fantomas, as a fact Bryan Adair and myself were the ones who inducted this band in 2004 and 2005, and they go far beyond Prog Metal, as a fact they went DIRECTLY to Avant
Just one last thing.
If an artist is suggested DIRETLY orAternatively to more than one team I believe he may belong in two different sites, but please, Buckethead has been suggested repeatedly and directly to Prog Metal, and only after the repeated rejections an alternative is being searched, the consequence is logic.
In the specific case of Metal, i believe all those additions were made before Prog Metal split, things have changed since then, I believe now that they got what they required, the widest spectrum in Prog Archives, enough is enough, if we are going to have three times Metal genres plus Metal bands everywhere, this will pass to be a Prog Metal site mainly.
But please, i want to avoid the issue, some ask me to shut up, others make me talk.
Iván
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Posted By: AlbertMond
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 23:50
Buckethead's great, I think. Really, he crosses genres a lot, but I think he definitely at least touches on prog.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 05:54
I re-opened this thread as I expected my request to be honoured. Lesson learnt.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:59
topofsm wrote:
Sorry I'm interrupting a heated flame war with a post that's on topic.
Anyways, my opinion on Buckethead:
He has some very accessible metal with tons of regular shredding stuff. But he also has tons of avant-garde stuff as well as incredibly beautiful clean electric music.
I doubt many people here have heard the albums Funnel Weaver, Bucketheadland, or Bucketheadland II (admittedly, I have only heard most of the albums in parts). But from what I've heard, they would fit like a glove in avant-prog.
Also check out albums like Population Override. Beautiful album. Not sure it would count for post rock, but it's incredibly good. I feel like PO is definetely a prog album.
Even some of his more well known albums have avant-garde or eclectic qualities. If you ask me, he should fit into progressive metal, because he is a metal artist with tons of progressive and avant garde ideas. Now, I know from reading the posts that he should not be progressive metal. He has tons of eclectic qualities, so I bet even there would be a great fit for him. And if any of the avant-prog listeners heard the albums that I have already talked about, I'm sure they would add him to that category.
In any event, I beleive there are 3 categories that I named that he would fit well into. Others suggest experimental/post metal, which would also fit him well. He already has several prog albums (one progressive album allows an artist in PA).
I've said all that I might ever have to say in this thread.
I went on a Buckethead binge when I first got into him and have all of those. Then I realized it was a bit futile due to his huge discography. Plus some of his more metal efforts kind of wore me out.
Albums not mentioned I would recommend to the average prog fan who hasn't tried him: Giant Robot - the guy's obviously a huge sci-fi fan. Electric Tears - waaay too mellow for your average metal fan. I wouldn't classify Population Override as "beautiful". This one is. Monsters and Robots - probably my fav. It's got Les. Les is more.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 09:59
Tony R wrote:
I re-opened this thread as I expected my request to be honoured. Lesson learnt.
Tony, I received no request and i talked with you, I have always and withou exception accepted your requests (you know that) and absolutely always honored my word.
Plus my post was to avoid any further problem, what as a fact happened.
Iván
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 10:56
Three pages and a lot of heated debate into this matter, I just wanna reiterate that Epignosis has brought the issue of Buckethead being added to the Eclectic Team, being himself a member, and we ask everyone to give us the time to evaluate the artist properly.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 17:31
*Bump*
I just recently discovered Buckethead, not even through the archives, but he certainly sounds like prog to me. I respect the admins decision though.
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 19:05
I like the album "colma" by buckethead......just saying, I could handle buckethead being here, but if he is not here I can still listen to "colma" and never ever even wonder if somebody else thinks it is prog rock, peoples get so uptight if their bands do not get admitted to the site, buckethead is too busy to care probably, maybe he has to go down to kfc and score more buckets, do you think it is weird he wears a bucket on his head?
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 19:33
It's how he gets his name, if he took it off he'd be 'head' which is weird.
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 20 2010 at 05:00
The Truth wrote:
It's how he gets his name, if he took it off he'd be 'head' which is weird.
Were Kiss still Kiss after they stopped using lipsticks ?
Were Floyd still Floyd after Waters departed ?
The name which was can remain even after he'll do such atrocity. I hope he won't do it.
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Even my
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 15 2014 at 22:32
since someone else brought up the dreaded Buckethead topic again i just thought i'd add one variation Mr B is both on the MMA as metal related and JMA as jazz related Jazz and metal together seems like prog to me That's it Bye!
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 11:55
Buckethead is already here in spots. Octave Of The Holy Innocents comes to mind first.
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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 12:33
Ricochet wrote:
Three pages and a lot of heated debate into this matter, I just wanna reiterate that Epignosis has brought the issue of Buckethead being added to the Eclectic Team, being himself a member, and we ask everyone to give us the time to evaluate the artist properly.
And...???
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 13:20
It's not if he should be added,but to what genre.The man has released like 30 albums so far this year,and a lot of them aren't metal.
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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: June 16 2014 at 13:47
As I see it, he either goes in Eclectic (if the team accept him - they started an evaluation about 5 years ago, but I've no idea how it ended up...or if it even has endedyet) or Prog Related (if an S.C. is prepared to go to the trouble of putting together a case for him, and the admins are receptive to it). It'll be a lot of work for someone to add all the albums though...
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 17 2014 at 21:48
The only way we could ever get him on the site is if someone trustworthy and unbiased listens to every single one of his albums, and can give us a little feedback on each one. The ones that are considered more proggy should be listened to a little bit by the members of whatever team is decided...
And then someone would need to make all his albums. We are talking like 90 or something ridiculous like that. This is a project that could take multiple evenings... ESPECIALLY if that person decides to include all the track lengths.
Posted By: floflo79
Date Posted: June 18 2014 at 11:15
Grand Gallery is a minimalist piece
Citacis And Outlined For Citacis are very experminental albums
Footsteps is a mellow long suite
I said it, he got it all.
He can be in RIO/Avant Prog
Experimental (like the Residents), very eclectic (like Frank Zappa), you really should add him IMHO.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 18 2014 at 11:37
Smurph wrote:
The only way we could ever get him on the site is if someone trustworthy and unbiased listens to every single one of his albums, and can give us a little feedback on each one. The ones that are considered more proggy should be listened to a little bit by the members of whatever team is decided...
And then someone would need to make all his albums. We are talking like 90 or something ridiculous like that. This is a project that could take multiple evenings... ESPECIALLY if that person decides to include all the track lengths.
Have you taken a look at the size of his discography lately?
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Posted By: floflo79
Date Posted: June 19 2014 at 00:00
I've listen more than 90 albums by Buckethead. I'm an huge fan.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 19 2014 at 04:05
I went on a Buckethead binge and got a few more albums than I really need in my collection. Not so fond of the metal heavy stuff - Funnel Weaver, Cuckoo Clocks of Hell, maybe Bucketheadland 2. He's put out a few really good eclectic albums and those are my favorites - Giant Robot, Monsters and Robots, Bermuda Triangle, population override. I also like his mellower stuff like Colma and Electric Tears.
I have advocated for his inclusion in the past and I still stand by that.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2014 at 10:09
Smurph wrote:
The only way we could ever get him on the site is if someone trustworthy and unbiased listens to every single one of his albums, and can give us a little feedback on each one. The ones that are considered more proggy should be listened to a little bit by the members of whatever team is decided...
And then someone would need to make all his albums. We are talking like 90 or something ridiculous like that. This is a project that could take multiple evenings... ESPECIALLY if that person decides to include all the track lengths.
Really? Does someone listen to every album of every artist on here for inclusion? That will probably never happen since many of his albums are out of print and expensive. Much of his stuff is on youtube. Although i m a fan i find a lot of his later stuff samey and think listening to his entire output would drive me insane! All they need is tbe proggier ones
Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 18:09
LOL! It finally happened: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9353" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9353 . More info here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=101955" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=101955 .
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 18:35
It's the end of the site as we know it
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 23:23
Yep, before you know it we're all going to have to wear buckets on our heads...
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Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
Ironic isn't it?
. I am sure this is scaring people off, which is in my opinion a much worse thing than having 'controversial' acts added to the database. Moreover, I wonder at all the people who seem to take the time to rant and rave in those threads, when there are so many suggestion threads that are left almost without response at all. If we really cared about getting 'real' prog bands added, we'd concentrate on those threads, instead of calling each other names every time the likes of Dire Straits, XTC or Buckethead (to name but three) are suggested.
. I'm sure you can have more restraint than that.
