Opeth songs without growling
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Topic: Opeth songs without growling
Posted By: mgallard
Subject: Opeth songs without growling
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 18:42
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 18:57
Hey I've only got DELIVERANCE and BLACKWATER PARK From what I remember, these tracks don't have any growling: -Harvest (Blackwater Park) -A Fair Judgement (An awesome track off an otherwise pretty terrible album, and it has growls on nearly every track) -BLEAK (This track has growls, but once you get past them (They only last for a minute) the singing and the rest of the track is great) Sorry, I'm not the biggest Opeth fan, but thats all that I can remember from the top of my head. Good luck - Some of the local Opeth junkies will be able to help you much better than I. -Joel
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 19:28
Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 20:14
Slartibartfast wrote:
Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
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I hear you. One of the main beauties of Opeth and bands similar is the contrast between growling and clean vox. It's one of the reasons I listen to them.
Anyways, to the point, here's a list chronologically:
Morningrise: To Bid You Farewell (strongly recommended)
My Arms Your Hearse Credence
Still Life Face Of Melinda Benighted
Blackwater Park Harvest
Deliverance A Fair Judgement
Ghost Reveries Atonement Hours Of Wealth Isolation Years
Watershed Coil Burden Porcelain Heart Hex Omega
I think that solves everything as far as pure clean vox goes
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Posted By: Shot.By.His.Own.Son
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 23:49
You should check out Unhealer by Ihsahn, It has Mikeal Akerfelt as a guest vocalist on it, amazing song, amazing album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOK6Dw98CZs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOK6Dw98CZs Also If you havent already you should deffinetly check Out opeth's live album Lamentations, the first half is all their lighter stuff and they end it of with their heavier stuff, amazing DVD.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:46
The Pessimist wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
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I hear you. One of the main beauties of Opeth and bands similar is the contrast between growling and clean vox. It's one of the reasons I listen to them.
Anyways, to the point, here's a list chronologically:
Morningrise: To Bid You Farewell (strongly recommended)
My Arms Your Hearse Credence
Still Life Face Of Melinda Benighted
Blackwater Park Harvest
Deliverance A Fair Judgement
Ghost Reveries Atonement Hours Of Wealth Isolation Years
Watershed Coil Burden Porcelain Heart Hex Omega
I think that solves everything as far as pure clean vox goes
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Definitely listen to Alex's comment. It's everything I was about to say.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:48
And also, just buy Still Life and try to listen to the whole thing. At first I was actually kind of AFRAID of the vocals, but I've grown to love them. If you can't get into the growls on Still Life, then stop trying to get into Opeth.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:05
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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That is my only problem with Opeth. The music and Mikael Åkerfeldt's normal vox are great.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:08
Get the Lamentations DVD ... getting used to the vocals is much easier when you can also watch the guys.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:38
I came to this site with basically your original question as my prime motivator.
To say dragonvoice is an acquired taste is the understatement of the decade, but if there's anywhere to learn it, it's from Opeth. Just buy Watershed and give it time. From there you'll be able to handle it.
BTW, Akerfeldt has the best dragonvoice ever. That youtube link is an awesome example, there's a back and forth between Ihsahn and Akerfeldt and it sounds like a bat flying around the devil.
And live, he's mindboggling. Give it some time.
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Posted By: mgallard
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:54
OK, excellent, thanks for the input, certainly dragonvoice sounds "better" than cookie monster, though I must admit it's just as childish in my opinion. I gather I'll be able to maybe "grok" Opeth if I can enjoy their non-growling music and then venture step by step into the rest. The DVD idea is a good one, I'll do it. Thanks again for your time and ideas.
Greetings
mgallard
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Posted By: Michelle1PA
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:07
progrocker2244 wrote:
And also, just buy Still Life and try to listen to the whole thing. At first I was actually kind of AFRAID of the vocals, but I've grown to love them. If you can't get into the growls on Still Life, then stop trying to get into Opeth.
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Still Life is my favorite complete Opeth album. I like a song here or there on their others. For some reason, their other songs I tolerate the harsh vocals because I like the rest of the song. But Still Life seems to flow really well for me. Of course I'm something of a concept album junkie, so the story really drew me.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:12
StyLaZyn wrote:
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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That is my only problem with Opeth. The music and Mikael Åkerfeldt's normal vox are great. |
I have never heard Opeth, because I really don't like growling vocals, and so have avoided them. So can't really contribute much to this discussion, except to say that I did enjoy Akerfeldt's guest lead vocals on the new OSI album. He has a good voice. I'm probably in the same boat as the OP, in that I would be much more interested in Opeth except for the cookie monster vox.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:16
The Doctor wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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That is my only problem with Opeth. The music and Mikael Åkerfeldt's normal vox are great. |
I have never heard Opeth, because I really don't like growling vocals, and so have avoided them. So can't really contribute much to this discussion, except to say that I did enjoy Akerfeldt's guest lead vocals on the new OSI album. He has a good voice. I'm probably in the same boat as the OP, in that I would be much more interested in Opeth except for the cookie monster vox. |
Then you need to buy the album Damnation which is all clean vocals and guitars, with mellotrons and harmonies, it's like a dark Genesis / Camel vibe. Sort of.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:21
^ I'll have to check that one out then.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 15:48
Michelle1PA wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
And also, just buy Still Life and try to listen to the whole thing. At first I was actually kind of AFRAID of the vocals, but I've grown to love them. If you can't get into the growls on Still Life, then stop trying to get into Opeth.
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Still Life is my favorite complete Opeth album. I like a song here or there on their others. For some reason, their other songs I tolerate the harsh vocals because I like the rest of the song. But Still Life seems to flow really well for me. Of course I'm something of a concept album junkie, so the story really drew me.
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Same here. Almost ALL of my favorite albums are are concept albums. Scenes From A Memory, Still Life, The Perfect Element, Snow, The Lamb, etc., etc.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 23:48
Haha, the word dragonvoice IMO makes death growls sound so cheesy. In any event Opeth is awesome, and the growls are a huge part of the picture. Without that, I'd venture they'd sound pretty generic.
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 00:01
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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Their only good album
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 00:27
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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Their only good boring album |
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 01:12
topofsm wrote:
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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Their only good boring album |
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boring?
Window payne is 10 times better than anything on deliverance
When he actually sings, he has a great voice
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 05:28
^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring.
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 06:23
progrocker2244 wrote:
^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring. |
window payne boring? I think too many kids have been brainwashed by metal. It's all about fashion these days. I don't follow others, I just go for quality
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Posted By: -Radioswim-
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:27
quiet you... people are discussing, rather then forcing their opinions with harsh medicine.
It's not that Damnnation is boring, I find it musically exciting. I don't think Opeth without growls would neccesarily be worse, or bad. But I think what makes Opeth so great is how completely dynamic their sound is, within a single composition even. It's quite amazing actually if you think about it.
Take the song from Ghost Reveries "Reverie/Harlequin Forest" for instance. Very dynamic song.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 20:09
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring. |
window payne boring? I think too many kids have been brainwashed by metal. It's all about fashion these days. I don't follow others, I just go for quality |
I go for quality, too. The entire album isn't boring, but parts are, especially when in comparison to Still Life.
btw, I am NOT a huge metalhead. I typically don't even like growling, but Opeth's dynamic shifts between acoustic and death metal sections is incredible. Windowpane is an exceptionally good song, and the whole album is very good (I gave it 4 stars actually). But it lacks the great combination of acoustic, death metal, and progressive rock and metal that makes Opeth great in the first place.
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 21:14
mgallard wrote:
Mr. Cookie Monster
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Why does everyone seem to call him that way? Anyway, it's pretty funny though!
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 07 2009 at 01:25
Opeth is the only band with growling vocals that I DO really like. The contrast between the demonic cookie monster vocals and the clean singing is so great, and it is what makes them interesting.
Mikael's clean voice is one of the best in rock, in my opinion. All of Damnation and most of Watershed I recommend to a non-death metal voice fan. The new album was a surprise, as apart from two or three tracks, there is not much growling. The ballads on Watershed are gorgeous, in my opinion. But when Watershed is heavy (Heir Apparent is probably the heaviest thing they've ever done), it is REALLY heavy.
I don't think Damnation is boring at all. I'm a big metal fan as well as a proghead, but the songwriting and musicianship on Damnation is second to none. It may even be one of my favourites from them.
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Posted By: Iaksones
Date Posted: December 09 2009 at 14:09
I feel you, OP; I too prefer singing to growling, thought I will listen to Watershed (only Opeth album I've got) completely through with no unpleasant side effects from the growling ;)
The Pessimist wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose?
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I hear you. One of the main beauties of Opeth and bands similar is the contrast between growling and clean vox. It's one of the reasons I listen to them.
Anyways, to the point, here's a list chronologically:
Morningrise: To Bid You Farewell (strongly recommended)
My Arms Your Hearse Credence
Still Life Face Of Melinda Benighted
Blackwater Park Harvest
Deliverance A Fair Judgement
Ghost Reveries Atonement Hours Of Wealth Isolation Years
Watershed Coil Burden Porcelain Heart Hex Omega
I think that solves everything as far as pure clean vox goes
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Add in "Bridge of Sighs" and the cover of some Swedish pop chick's song "Den ständiga resan" from the Watershed special edition to that.
Also, the covers of Alice in Chain's "Would?" (Awesome!) and of Deep Purple's "Soldier of Fortune."
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Posted By: soggybomb
Date Posted: December 09 2009 at 21:31
mgallard wrote:
Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.
Thanks
mgallard
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I was in your position when I first listened to Opeth. I listened and loved Damnation, but couldn't get around the growls. Then I listened to "The Drapery Falls" off of Blackwater Park, which only has growls in one section, and I loved it. In that song, the growls made sense within the context of the song. So I slowly came around to them, and now I own a great many Opeth records.
This whole Opeth w/out growls chase reminds me of a Python sketch where the customer can't get any breakfast without Spam.
Wife: | Have you got anything without spam? |
Waitress: | Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in
it. |
Wife: | I don't want ANY spam! |
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