NINe Inch Nails
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Topic: NINe Inch Nails
Posted By: Harold the Barrel
Subject: NINe Inch Nails
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 13:56
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Hmm?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:01
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Godflesh. Oh, and also Front 242 and Front Line Assembly. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:03
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1. Wrong place for this, try general music discussions.
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Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:41
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nin win.
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 15:18
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Used to like them a bit, but it's been a few years since I heard them. Also, as toposfm mentioned, this needs to be moved to general music discussions. ------------- 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 15:47
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I like two songs - sometimes, and can live without both. As to the rest - I should sue for the loss of my precious time. Nah. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 15:49
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I counter with: Jane's Addiction.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 17:38
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I vote yes. They are one of my favorite bands and I've seen them twice in concert, the second time they co-headlined with Jane's Addiction as well.
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Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 18:43
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The Fragile, despite not being included on PA, is one of my top 5 prog albums of all time. I think it's not included because the body of NIN really only includes 2 prog albums, but The Fragile is very very ambitious. I enjoy all of their work of course, but I could not possibly make an argument for something like With Teeth being prog.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 21:46
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Yay or nay? I vote nay. Can't listen to them for too long without getting annoyed.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 21:54
| Sure, I like them okay. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:11
What sub-genre would you put them in? Crossover? ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:16
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:20
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Downward spiral is the most ambitious album I've ever heard, and the concept is my favorite of any album I've ever heard. I love it!
Trent was pretty brutal live too! Never seen seen somoe get that angry on stage... and I go to some pretty extreme shows! ------------- 
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Posted By: Harold the Barrel
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 23:19
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I would agree that things like With Teeth are definately not prog. But what about all the Ghosts? They're on the verge of being eclectic prog? I think they should at least be prog-related, for gems like Downward Spiral (which could easily qualify as crossover prog). ------------- I f**kING LOVE NARWHALS |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 00:25
| i voted yay.. I like NIN, listen to them occasionally and own Ghosts and The Slip on vinyl |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 00:42
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I think The Fragile and Downward Spiral may make a decent argument for crossover prog as Roland said, though even as possibly the forum's biggest fan of NIN I'm not holding my breath for them to get in.
That being said, Ghosts I-IV is totally prog. -------------
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Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 19:42
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A bit of a random thought, but I've always been convinced that The Fragile was the sequel to The Downward Spiral (they're both concept albums). Consider how the left and right sides to the fragile start exactly where the downward spiral left off, hurt leads right into somewhat damaged and the day the world went away, or else the way out is through and into the void depending on which side you play first. Agree, disagree?
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Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:28
I presume this is asking whether we like NIN or not? If so then yes, what I've heard I like. I went to see them a couple of years ago at the Manchester Apollo, but ended up not seeing them at all because they had so much dry ice that you literally could not see the band/stage, which totally ruined the show. Pity, because they sounded great but because of this I wouldn't waste my money on going to one of their gigs again.  ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:35
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A definite yeah - Love his work. ------------- 
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 10:28
There are lots of NIN fans who seem to believe that The Fragile starts off where the Downward Spiral finished. I personally don't think so, since it seems to me the end of TDS with the self titled track and "Hurt" portray the main character in the concept commiting suicide by shooting himself. If that's the case, The Fragile would seem like one of those pitiful excuse for a sequel films that we get so much in theaters these days.
However, they're both two of my favorite albums. -------------
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Nuke wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:53
Interesting factoid not mentioned in this thread on NIN yet, Johnny Cash did a cover version of Hurt. Haven't heard it yet. Anyone who has know if the kept the curse words in?  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:29
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^ just for you:
...a poignant video - June Carter died shortly after filming, Johnny a short while later. Trent was so moved by this version he now does it this way live.
" pop the video in, and wow… Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps… Wow. [I felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore… It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [Somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure" ... Trent Reznor ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:38
WOW  And his substitutions for Trent's profanities work very well, even better than the original words. Johnny Cash for Proto-Prog? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:40
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Hate them ...er hate him ...whatever NIN is terrible |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:53
Taste is a wonderful thing - some like peanut butter, some do not; some like it crunchy some like it smooth. Each to his own, I say, and normally I would add, live and let live, but "terrible"... how so? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:59
Just for the record, smooth sucks, crunchy rules!!!  Smooth does have it's uses... |
Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 19:42
Hmm, my interpretation of hurt was that he didn't commit suicide. See, the title track before hurt portrays a suicide from a 3rd person perspective, not first person. Then hurt says "I am still right here/what have I become" indicating that he didn't kill himself. I always thought the interesting thing about the lyrics is how the portrayel of suicide is much more positive than choosing to live ("a lifetime of f**king things up fixed" vs. "full of broken thoughts/I cannot repair.") ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Seabury">
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 19:50
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I thank NIN for writing Hurt so that Johnny Cash could later make it amazing but that's about it -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 20:06
There's a lot more there to NIN if you dare to explore, but I must admit though I have no Johnny Cash in my collection, I've always respected his musical talent. He really did take Hurt to a whole new level. I've replayed that video that Dean linked to several times. Just think what he could have done with Closer... |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 21:50
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The spoken word section in the downward spiral... "So much blood from such a tiny hole" Though Hurt doesnt really give away suicide as the end. I thought the title track made it very evident. I found the Fragile to be far inferior to the Downward spiral, so I didnt really listen to it as much, therefore didnt look in depth to the lyrics.
From the songs "the wretched" and "The day the whole world went away", They dont seem to be a continuation of the original concept lyrically... Though I really enjoy them. -------------
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Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:00
Hmm, I went back and studied the lyrics, and it is really ambiguous. I don't really think that he kills himself in the title track, it is just too wierd having it in 3rd person and then having another track after it where he asks "what have I become" as if he is still alive. The interpretation that hurt is like an epilogue where his spirit looks back is ridiculous because he attacks the idea of religion in heresy. I'm pretty convinced that the main character is still alive at the beginning of hurt. The only thing that makes me think it could be suicide is the 3 ugly chords at the end of hurt after "if I could start again, a million miles away, I would keep myself, I would find a way." I think that the day the whole world went away follows into the new concept expressed by the fragile, which is more about despair than destruction. As if he were already at the bottom of the spiral when the album started... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Seabury">
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:14
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The whole album is in first person, so I dont really understand what you mean by it being too weird. I think hurt might be his soul maybe reflected on what he' reduced himself to, and saying if he could be given a second chance, then he would do it a million different ways or whatever. -------------
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:27
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I find it really difficult to watch that J Cash vid. Always brings a tear to my eye so thanks to NIN for that, but I haven't found anything much yet I like, will give them another try so no vote. Another vote for Crunchy Peanut Butter from me!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:27
Because this was put in Prog polls, my guess would be that he is asking if Nine Inches Nailed [sick sic] should be included in a Prog category. Perhaps it's deliberately a very open-ended question. Is there a specific question? ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 19:34
Yeah, well some NIN fans tend to agree with that. If only I could follow the Fragile along with a sort of story to go along with it. However, it seems to me in the Fragile he definetely begins at the bottom, but finds an entity (most likely a woman he's in love with based on the lyrics of the title track) that brings his hopes up. It seems the entity goes away, and he spends the rest of the album looking for her, only to fall down to the bottom again at the end. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:39
Sick sic sicky sick, what was the middle part? |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:39
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I haven't listened to them for years,even when I did it was just a handful of songs.I like Trent Reznor,I often read his blogs and interviews about the music industry,clever Guy.Though if you hate Marilyn Manson,it's this guys fault. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:43
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Speaking of Marilyn Manson, though his stuff isn't my cup of tea after seeing his interview in Bowling For Columbine, I did gain some respect for him. David Lynch using some of his music on Lost Highway also gets him/her/it some bonus points. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to hurt myself to see if I still feel. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:20
yeah, i have never listened to Manson's music, but judging from that interview he seems like a really smart and aware guy. ^^ I didn't know Reznor spoke against Manson? or am i hearing you wrong? |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:23
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He's meaning Trent influenced Manson... Wich he seriously did! -------------
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:31
Yeah he has.But I what I meant was Reznor helped get Manson in industry. There's a bunch online about them bitching about each other http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/02/trent-reznor-says-marilyn-manson-has-become-a-dopey-clown/ - http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/02/trent-reznor-says-marilyn-manson-has-become-a-dopey-clown/ But that's if your into gossip^ or should I say gothip I crack myself up sometimes.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:31
OH! okay, that makes a lot more sense I will have to listen to some Manson now to satisfy my curiosity... What kind of music is it even? |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:43
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Depends on your view,heavy metal I guess.But if you find the lyrical subjects cliché with teen angst .Knowone here will mind if you see it as nu-metal.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 05:04
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Voted YEAHHHHH! got 3 of his albums, very good stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: Harold the Barrel
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 15:55
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http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Fragile_(halo)#Trent_Reznor_on_The_Fragile Ive always thought so too ------------- I f**kING LOVE NARWHALS |
Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 09:34
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Whoa, I'd never seen that before. Call me validated! Thanks Harold. Anyways, I think the real concept of the album is the 2 sides telling the same story, but from different perspectives, being the left and right sides (of the brain?) The main theme seems to be trying to make something of yourself and failing. And yeah, there is lso the stress on interpersonal relations, it's not just about him anymore. Although I really like the concept of the fragile, my favorite is the concept of with teeth, although I like the album less. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Seabury">
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Posted By: Callergrim
Date Posted: August 09 2009 at 05:24
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YEAH
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Posted By: fmotp
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 07:10
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I don't know if this should be a new forum topic, or listed here under replies. NIN are a terrific band, and should definitely be considered crossover prog or prog related. However, if we are discussing Nine Inch Nails, we should also be discussing the band Ministry, which started in the 1980's. Ministry are the spring from which NIN flows. In my opinion, Nine Inch Nails wouldn't exist if Ministry hadn't done it first. ------------- Prog lover, proud parent, teacher, and Christian |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 07:27
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 12:37
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Yeah for liking them. Not a huge fan, but I like what I've heard. Nah for being on Prog Archives. They don't come across as progressive to me at all.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 02:40
| I am a big NIN fan but do not believe they belong on this site. I think their inclusion is another piece of evidence that crossover-prog and prog-related are Trojan horses for non-prog acts the admin are fond of, though not exclusively, there are numerous genuine crossover-prog and prog-related category acts. |
Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 09:28
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Thanks Raff, now I can review one of my all time favorite prog albums, The Fragile. I disagree with those who think it doesn't belong on this site, in my opinion progarchives is too exclusivist as it is, and I'll support most steps to include a greater diversity of material on this site, and especially NIN, one of the most genuinely progressive bands I've ever come across.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 11:34
Actually five out of five of us on the Crossover team voted yes and it was cleared by a sufficient number of admins. Also, Prog Related is not prog. You can ignore the addition if it bothers you. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 13:05
| I say 'yay' |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 13:52
Of course he's free to express his opinion that it doesn't belong, but as only one team member in Crossover is an admin, I think the assertion is very wrong if I understand what's being implied. The admins are very strict about what gets let into Prog Related as it has very strict criteria, so I think there may be a tendency with some team members, not thinking of Crossover particularly (at least I know there is with me) to accept bands that had Prog Related been more open I would have been more likely to suggest it for PR (I have a little more latitude because of that and might vote yes on something for Eclectic that I lean towards prog-related for because I know that getting a band into Prog Related is so very difficult). It's very true that people have different parameters when it comes to what is acceptable. I would have sooner expected to see The Flaming Lips approved for Crossover than Nine Inch Nails, but part of that is informed by my biases. It's quite something that all of the Crossover people felt that NIN fit that category, and with any team, there is commonly diversity of opinion, so to have it approved by all says something. I trust that the teams want to do best for their categories. I don't always agree with decisions, but it's what's left out that is more of a concern to me than what's let in (mind you, I'm quite inclusive, especially when it comes to allowing in bands that I don't have to vote on myself. ).While a team must ask for admin approval when it comes to a band deemed controversial, the teams are independent, and members vote as they think fit - the admins don't tell team members what they should allow in, that would kill people's willingness to work for teams, and I don't think that they'd want to anyway. If PR, and Prog-Related was manages by me, it would operate under very different parameters, but it's not. My tastes would play a factor too -- you'd find far fewer AOR-type bands being allowed in, and many more experimental and obscure ones, and ones with much less relation to rock music. You'd find big names such as Morricone in, Laurie Anderson would be in, and a great many smaller names. People such as Stockhausen and Xenakis would find a place in PA if this were my site. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 14:01
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rolling on the floor laughing my ar$e off |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 14:19
Huh huh huh, huh huh huh, huh huh huh.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 15:39
| Don't really think that NIN belongs to PA, but if it's added, no prob from me :) |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 18:27
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Best show I ever saw was NIN in 2008, so f**k yeah!
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 21:05
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Wow, I really thought it was an April Fools joke.... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 21:19
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Well they are here, as usual I will bite my tongue and shut my mouth. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Iron Nate
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 01:54
| yay |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 07:41
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f**k yeah!!! especially "the fragile" and "ghosts i -iv" are masterpieces |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 16:45
| Nah... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2010 at 16:54
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make that a big yepper here... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: April 07 2010 at 13:50
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Excellent addtion to PA.
NIN is proof that prog is alive and evolving.
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