I dunno, really.

To my knowledge the whole middle section is free form improvisation.  No musical rules apply whatsoever.  What an amazing song though.

No they kept their timing in a very ingenious way. This is how they did it:

nmccrina wrote: Hi all, I am wondering how much of Moonchild (by KC, of course!) is "structured". By structured I mean possessing a consistent time signature that the musicians follow. Basically, I'm wondering if the musicians were sitting there counting "1...2...3...4" to themselves through the whole weird part, or if it was just like "I feel like playing a drum roll about now" or something.  Edit: The reason I'm asking is because I was just trying to record a live keyboard part into the computer, and after about 20 bars my timing would get off (I wasn't using a metronome or anything). So I was marveling at the skill needed for all the members of the band to keep synced up without a consistent drum beat or melody line to set the tempo. Unless of course, they didn't.

Moon Child - one of the most remarkable pieces in rock music

Cue up the start of the piece. Ready?

Here we have drifts of mellotron, and a repeating picked guitar figure, which is soon joined by a short, repeating guitar figure that is important. Listen carefully to it's soaring tones - those opening notes are remarkably similar to "Au Clair de Lune" by Claude Debussy.

Greg picks up on this quickly with the vocal line - a two-part affair that picks up on this figure, appending an answering phrase, and acquiring a light accompaniment comprising bell-like cymbals, and a regular falling soft tom-tom pattern. This is repeated, then the second part of the verse picks for an additional answer. The solo guitar takes the 1st "theme" and plays with it, before the second verse is presented with the ongoing light percussion.

Little tension is built - but the song does not demand it. This is not a dramatic song, and that is part of its progressive nature - it is painting, with striking lights and shades, a kind of watercolour-hued portrait of the Moon Child that is non-linear, which kind of pushes against the intrinsically linear nature of music, yet covers many angles;

"Dancing in the shallows of a river", "Dreaming in the shadow of the willow", "Talking to the trees of the cobweb strange". None of this necessarily describes a person, real or ficticious - to me, it describes the effects of moonlight on earth - the reflection in the river or fountain, the moonbeams "dancing" and "Waving silver wands", and the interplay of the moon's light on flowers, cobwebs and the sun dial. "Sailing on the wind in a milk white gown" and "Waiting for a smile from a sun child" are self- explanatory, and "Playing hide and seek with the ghosts of dawn" clearly refers to clouds.

So the music expresses the soul of these ideas - the subtle keyboard changes highlight this best.

You'll note that this is not standard song structure - there is a 3-part idea that is repeated 3 times for this first section, which could be seen as verse/chorus/instrumental x3, except that the "chorus" is in no way a chorus, but an extension of the verse.

Then we have the instrumental section, which continues this expression - it seems a bit pointless to map it all out, but the first section appears to represent the rippling waters of the river - the willow, of course, will be on the river bank, and the slightly sinister edge that the music acquires could be expressing this.

We continue in the branches of the trees, "talking of the cobweb strange" - 5:28 might be expressing this, with tiny strands of melodic runs that pick up from each other. Just re-read the lyrics as this section plays out - it's not too hard to make your own mind up about what's being expressed.

The music of this section has an atonal feel to it - and some of the stylisations are strikingly similar to music in "Pierrot Lunaire", by Arnold Schoenberg. Listen to "Der Kranken Mond" - particularly the flute backing. An online recording of the entire work may be found online - note also that there are 4 sections of Pierrot directly concerned with the moon.

The interplay between the instrumentalists here is remarkable - all aiming for an overall series of pictures, or, rather continual moving image, with none taking centre stage, going into personal space every now and again, then rejoining the conversation, using a predefined set of ideas. This is not aimless noodle - this is carefully constructed. The point at which it all comes back together (around 10:45) is masterly - all parts drifting slowly towards each other, and the little major chord on the guitar clearly showing the "smile from the sun child" - all music from this point has this upbeat feel of morning approaching and the darkness lifting.

All of which serves to underline "Moon Child"'s position in the album - as the penultimate piece, it provides the necessary contrast from which to kick into the grand splendour of "The Court of the Crimson King". Indeed, if you have your stereo at the necessary volume to catch each and every tiny detail in "Moon Child", the title track is like a mighty rush of wind, and somewhat overwhelming. It's in this dynamic perspective that the true power of this album may be experienced - and you probably won't get it listening to compressed mp3s on your computer speakers or headphones. On a half-decent stereo, this contrast will blow your socks off. On a decent system, it's like hearing it properly for the first time - every time.

progkidjoel wrote: Blowin Free wrote: Silly wrote: To my knowledge the whole middle section is free form improvisation.  No musical rules apply whatsoever.  What an amazing song though. I seriously doubt that, unless they recorded it in a full-band, which is very hard to pull-off. Many bands have full improv sections... Porcupine Tree's "Metanoia" is completely improvisation, and so is their "MOONLOOP: (Improvisation)" On Sky moves Sideways DISC2

And besides, king Crimson has become famous for their full band improvisations. It isn't too hard to imagine they started at it right from the get go...

Greg W wrote: Quite simply, they recorded themselves tuning their instruments. That can be the only explanation. That whole middle part is rubbish.

Quite simply, his pet must have been walking on the keyboard of his computer. That can be the only explanation. The whole quoted post is rubbish.

I must admit that I have always found Moonchild good to start with but then descending into what seemed to me, rather pointless meanderings, spoiling what for me what is a wonderful album otherwise.

However, after what you people have said about it as regards to the lighting and how it backs up what has been sung already, I am going to have to give it another listen!

It was incedently, the first King Crimson song I ever heard.